For those of you who think Jesus is not God.

[jameen]

God will not be called Father if He has no real Son.

but He has a Son and we can read that in Proverbs 30:4.

Jesus came from the bosom of the Father and he is called MONOGENES THEOS in Greek Bible of John 1:18.

The reason we can find that Jesus is man because it pertains to the body that God had prepared for him when he entered the world - Hebrews 10:5.

 

[JChesney]

God will not be called Father if He has no real Son.

but He has a Son and we can read that in Proverbs 30:4.

Jesus came from the bosom of the Father and he is called MONOGENES THEOS in Greek Bible of John 1:18.

The reason we can find that Jesus is man because it pertains to the body that God had prepared for him when he entered the world - Hebrews 10:5.

but in these cases, not all is indisputable
in Proverbs 30:4 depending on the vowel two variants are possible: name of His son (sing.) and name of His sons (plural)

in notes we see another variant of vowel, supported also by LXX:


Reading "[ὁ] μονογενὴς θεός" is not indisputable, because another readings are also supported by no less ancient witnesses of the text, "ὁ μονογενής" supported by Diatessaron (this is Tatian's work dated 170 year), "ὁ μονογενὴς υἱός" - this reading was known to Irenaeus Clement Tertullian Hippolitus and Origen equally with variant "μονογενὴς θεός". Most of the Greek manuscript sources support reading "ὁ μονογενὴς υἱός".

 

[jaybird88]

People have good reason to believe Jesus is not the Most High but you are not allowed to explain why or you get reported and banned.

 

[garee]

The point of Christianity is Christ.

There is both salvation and lifestyle in Him. He is fully man and fully God.

He appeared as a man. God is not a man as us, he remained fully God .

God has no nature as a beginning. He used the temporal as that seen as a parable to reveal the unsen eternal lamb of God slain from before foundation of the world, as a one time demonstration in flesh typified as sinful as that in which he informs us... it profits for nothing, zero .

God is not a man (creation as us ) he is our faithful Creator like no other god. We are required to search out the hidden signified meaning using the prescriptions given like below.

1 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

 

[theanointedsinner]

Apologetics:
a) empowers our own faith (we acknoledge that Christianity is rational)
b) is a help for people who are searching for God

Apologetics (rational or biblical arguments) is quite useless for people who do not want to believe, do not care about God or who have other blocks (emotional, traditional, already in some ohter faith with a closed mind).

Premise 1: faith exist
Premise 2: if faith exist, then God exist (faith is a gift from God)
Therefore, God exist

for premise 1, no atheist will ever deny the existence of blind faith or else, that will defeat their purpose on trying to rid the world of religion

Ephesians 2:8-9 defends premise 2
hence, defending the Bible becomes the focal point for apologetics

 

[trofimus]

He appeared as a man. God is not a man as us, he remained fully God .

God has no nature as a beginning. He used the temporal as that seen as a parable to reveal the unsen eternal lamb of God slain from before foundation of the world, as a one time demonstration in flesh typified as sinful as that in which he informs us... it profits for nothing, zero .

God is not a man (creation as us ) he is our faithful Creator like no other god. We are required to search out the hidden signified meaning using the prescriptions given like below.

1 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

There are people saying that Jesus is not God and people saying that Jesus is not man.

The orthodox Christianity believes He is both.

 

[trofimus]

Premise 1: faith exist
Premise 2: if faith exist, then God exist (faith is a gift from God)
Therefore, God exist

for premise 1, no atheist will ever deny the existence of blind faith or else, that will defeat their purpose on trying to rid the world of religion

Ephesians 2:8-9 defends premise 2
hence, defending the Bible becomes the focal point for apologetics

I am afraid this will not convince anybody. Atheists do not care about Ephe 2:8 and also the logical structure is not good.

 

[theanointedsinner]

I am afraid this will not convince anybody. Atheists do not care about Ephe 2:8 and also the logical structure is not good.

let's just leave the apologetics to the professionals

 

[trofimus]

let's just leave the apologetics to the professionals

Try this:

 

[CS1]

What would be a good translation to show Jesus is not God according to this passage?
As I said I picked the most popular translations and I also said I believe the greek shows Jesus is God too, then if the greek is clear why would other translations matter?

The gospel of John is the Gospel which speaks to the deity of Christ as the true vine , the living water, the way the truth and the life, and I AM . many other starting in John chapter 1 with: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God ,and the Word WAS GOD> = Jesus is God.