Is abortion murder?

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mcubed

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No I believe that abortion is not murder and that it is a choice that a woman should be able to make without the government's interference if it is wrong God is in control and will handle it. God never calls abortion murder. It has turn into a political hack use by the right to get votes. that is how I see it. And we could go on for years the topic it is what it is Gods got it.
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The famous Scripture, (always miss quoted) eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, is for injured a pregnant woman and the CHILD DIES. Exodus 21:22-24 and even calls for foot for foot. Is abortion murder is not a political issue but a G-dly one. Our legal system has failed children, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN IN UTERO... CHILDREN!!!! G-d speaks LOUD AND CLEAR FOR THE UNBORN!!!!
 
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I believe abortion is Murder..

And worse then that it is the cold blooded murder of the innocent..

God hates hands that have shed innocent blood..

Proverbs 6: KJV
16 "¶ These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: {17} A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, {18} An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, {19} A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
 
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SpoonJuly

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No I believe that abortion is not murder and that it is a choice that a woman should be able to make without the government's interference if it is wrong God is in control and will handle it. God never calls abortion murder. It has turn into a political hack use by the right to get votes. that is how I see it. And we could go on for years with the topic it is what it is Gods got it.
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So you believe a woman has the right to abortion right up to the last minute before she give birth?
I see you have fallen for the left's agenda totally.
No reason to discuss with you anymore. Waste of time.
 
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I believe all babies come to this world to teach us something very important about ourselves and life.

If you "abort" that baby, you are aborting a plethora of much needed life lessons.

Babies make us better people, or show us how terrible we are.
 
Demi777

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Dem said:
No I believe that abortion is not murder and that it is a choice that a woman should be able to make without the government's interference if it is wrong God is in control and will handle it. God never calls abortion murder. It has turn into a political hack use by the right to get votes. that is how I see it. And we could go on for years with the topic it is what it is Gods got it.
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I doubt if u were aborted or a failed abortion attempt, you would still feel this way about it
 
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Dem

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SpoonJuly said:
So you believe a woman has the right to abortion right up to the last minute before she give birth?
I see you have fallen for the left's agenda totally.
No reason to discuss with you anymore. Waste of time.
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Any woman that has carried a baby up to nine months and makes a decision to have a abortion it is all ways a life and death decision and the government has no right in that decision nor do you. may God open your mind to the truth instead of a bunch of political hacks.
 
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Demi777 said:
I doubt if u were aborted or a failed abortion attempt, you would still feel this way about it
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sure I would I would be dancing before the throne of God and not dealing with this crazy messed up world. A split second of pain and then with Jesus sounds good to me.
 
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Abortion is murder and a sin and heartbreaking...I am a mother and can't even begin to imagine how someone could kill their unborn children. I felt a special bond with both my children from the moment I knew I was pregnant.

The only small bit of peace I can even muster up is knowing that "there's a special place in Heaven where all those unborn babies play and they're rocked in arms of mama's who's chances slipped away. " I heard this saying in a song...
 
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sure I would I would be dancing before the throne of God and not dealing with this crazy messed up world. A split second of pain and then with Jesus sounds good to me.
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Yeah that is the only small bit of comfort I can imagine is that the babies are in heaven. But it still don't negate the fact that the mother is still a murderer.

And yeah we can get into all the situations of how it might be justified, but I don't see anyway to really justify it...It is murder!!!!

Sorry but it is what it is...
 
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SpoonJuly

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Any woman that has carried a baby up to nine months and makes a decision to have a abortion it is all ways a life and death decision and the government has no right in that decision nor do you. may God open your mind to the truth instead of a bunch of political hacks.
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May God forgive you for your ignorance.
 
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mcubed said:
The famous Scripture, (always miss quoted) eye for an eye, tooth for tooth, is for injured a pregnant woman and the CHILD DIES. Exodus 21:22-24 and even calls for foot for foot. Is abortion murder is not a political issue but a G-dly one. Our legal system has failed children, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN IN UTERO... CHILDREN!!!! G-d speaks LOUD AND CLEAR FOR THE UNBORN!!!!
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the LXX, targum and Josephus dont agree with that translation.
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22 And if two men strive and smite a woman with child, and her child be born imperfectly formed, he shall be forced to pay a penalty: as the woman’s husband may lay upon him, he shall pay with a valuation. 23 But if it be perfectly formed, he shall give life for life,

ETHERIDGE ’S TARGUM PARAPHRASE 3
“If men when striving strike a woman with child, and cause her to miscarry, but not to lose her life , the fine on account of the infant which the husband of the woman shall lay up on him , he shall pay according to the sentence of the judges. But if death befall her , then thou shalt judge the life of the killer for the life of the woman .”

Josephus:
“He that kicks a pregnant woman, if the woman miscarry, shall be fined by the judges for having, by the destruction of the fruit of her womb, diminished the population, and a further sum shall be presented by him to the woman’s husband. If she die by the blow, he shall also die, the law claiming sacrifice of life for life. 8
 
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SpoonJuly

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1ofthem said:
Yeah that is the only small bit of comfort I can imagine is that the babies are in heaven. But it still don't negate the fact that the mother is still a murderer.

And yeah we can get into all the situations of how it might be justified, but I don't see anyway to really justify it...It is murder!!!!

Sorry but it is what it is...
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And those who perform the abortion are also guilty.
 
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SpoonJuly

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1ofthem said:
Yeah let's not forget the hit men...er...should I say doctors...their only motivation and motive is probably just money...
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They don't do it for free. A lot of people making a lot of money. Sickening.
 
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Exo 21:22 If men strive and strike a pregnant woman, so that her child comes out, and there is no injury, he shall surely be punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him. And he shall pay as the judges say
Exo 21:23 And if any injury occurs, then you shall give life for life,
EXACTLY
1. So a man causes a woman to lose her unborn child and all he gets is a slap on his hand. and as you know if a man where to commit murder under the law what would be the punishment. Death right . but all that is happening here is a punishment. HMMM
2. Anti abortionist would say today that the man committed murder. God does not say that anywhere in these verses. God is more concerned with the life of the mother here and her health.
3. your using these verses to say God calls abortion murder is not true. As a matter of fact no where in the bible does God call abortion murder. HMMM just saying
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If you cannot deduce that the punishment being DEATH equates abortion to murder then there is not one thing left to discuss....go study more is all I can say.
 
Demi777

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sure I would I would be dancing before the throne of God and not dealing with this crazy messed up world. A split second of pain and then with Jesus sounds good to me.
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Not as a failed attempt with genetic
Damages through injections into the womb to poison u throughout pregnancy.. u would not be dancing around the throne thenof. Ud be on earth handicapped and suffering
 
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Dem

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Demi777 said:
Not as a failed attempt with genetic
Damages through injections into the womb to poison u throughout pregnancy.. u would not be dancing around the throne thenof. Ud be on earth handicapped and suffering
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ok I agree with that and one is too many concerning that area that is why we should allow a deeper study in to why this happens and stop it. instead of running around with murder signs and wasting energy. But if you made abortion illegal triple the number that would be left in ally ways for dead and would be handicapped for life. I live in the city and thousands of children left in abandoned houses and full of disease born addicted starving and all the pro live folks up the street eating steak. But they got their murder sign with them.
It is a sad situation all around on both sides. HEY MAYBE IF WE SET OR DIFFERENCES ASIDE AND COME TOGETHER FOR A REAL SOLUTION WE WOULD BE DOING SOMETHING FOR REAL.
 
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