Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

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DevotiontoBible

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shrume said:
You aren't taking into account who Jesus' Father is.


He was just like Adam was before Adam sinned.
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But Adam is never called the son of man. Jesus is the son of man because He was not like Adam before he sinned. Jesus was one of us.
 
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pjharrison

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shrume said:
Yes. Since women do not have seed, that is an allusion to the virgin birth. Look through the Bible. There are only two verses where women are said to have seed. One is Genesis 3:15, the other is Rev 12:17, where "the woman" refers to Israel.

Biblically, it is very clear that the seed comes from the male.
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He came through Mary's womb. That's how he became flesh. Adam came from the dust. Jesus probably even looked like Mary. Although he was human in every way, he didn't sin. So he took that to the cross.
 
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pjharrison said:
He came through Mary's womb. That's how he became flesh.
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Mary was his literal, actual mother.

God the Father is his literal, actual Father.

Adam came from the dust. Jesus probably even looked like Mary.
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We don't know what he looked like, but he could have at least partly resembled his mother.

Although he was human in every way, he didn't sin. So he took that to the cross.
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Right!

Adam was human in every way before he sinned, and he did not gain a sin nature until he sinned.
 
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OstrichSmiling

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DevotiontoBible said:
But Adam is never called the son of man. Jesus is the son of man because He was not like Adam before he sinned. Jesus was one of us.
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Luke 3
The Baptism and Genealogy of Jesus
21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”

23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,

the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, the son of Melki,
the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,
the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,
the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath,
the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,
the son of Josek, the son of Joda,
27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,
the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,
the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melki,
the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,
the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon,
the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna,
the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,
the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse,
the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,
the son of Salmon, the son of Nahshon,
33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,
the son of Hezron, the son of Perez,
the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob,
the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.
 
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DevotiontoBible

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DevotiontoBible said:
But Adam is never called the son of man. Jesus is the son of man because He was not like Adam before he sinned. Jesus was one of us.
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Dino246 said:
That is speculation. It is unproveable from Scripture.
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I already have shown many times here that the Scriptures say Jesus was like us in every way. The Scriptures never say Jesus was like Adam before he sinned.
 
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DevotiontoBible

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OstrichSmiling said:
Luke 3
The Baptism and Genealogy of Jesus
21 When all the people were being baptized, Jesus was baptized too. And as he was praying, heaven was opened 22 and the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven: “You are my Son, whom I love; with you I am well pleased.”

23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,

the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, the son of Melki,
the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,
25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,
the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,
the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath,
the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,
the son of Josek, the son of Joda,
27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,
the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,
the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melki,
the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,
the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,
29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,
the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,
the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon,
the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,
the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,
31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna,
the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,
the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse,
the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,
the son of Salmon, the son of Nahshon,
33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,
the son of Hezron, the son of Perez,
the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob,
the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,
the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,
35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu,
the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,
the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan,
the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,
the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,
37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,
the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,
the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,
the son of Seth, the son of Adam,
the son of God.
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That proves my point and I have already quoted that verse which proves my point.
 
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DevotiontoBible

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OstrichSmiling said:
How so?
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It was Adam's responsibility to rule over the serpent but he didn't:

So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
Genesis 1:27‭-‬28 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/gen.1.27-28.NIV
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
I already have shown many times here that the Scriptures say Jesus was like us in every way. The Scriptures never say Jesus was like Adam before he sinned.
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Adam was like us in every way, yet (temporarily) without sin. Jesus was like us in every way, yet without sin.

Respectfully, you have not managed to convince anyone despite all your effort. Perhaps it's time to let this dead horse alone?
 
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OstrichSmiling

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DevotiontoBible said:
It was Adam's responsibility to rule over the serpent but he didn't:

So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
Genesis 1:27‭-‬28 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/gen.1.27-28.NIV
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The serpent was Satan. Did God create the serpent Satan? Or did Satan overcome God's created serpent?
 
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DevotiontoBible

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Dino246 said:
Adam was like us in every way, yet (temporarily) without sin. Jesus was like us in every way, yet without sin.

Respectfully, you have not managed to convince anyone despite all your effort. Perhaps it's time to let this dead horse alone?
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As I have already shown here many times, "without sin" in those old literal equivalent translations means He never sinned not that He didn't share in our mortal sin nature:

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.
Hebrews 4:15 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/heb.4.15.NIV
 
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OstrichSmiling

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DevotiontoBible said:
As I have already shown here many times, "without sin" in those old literal equivalent translations means He never sinned not that He didn't share in our mortal sin nature:

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.
Hebrews 4:15 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/heb.4.15.NIV
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Do you understand that by insisting that Jesus was not divine you are blaspheming the holy spirit?
Perhaps abandoning Biblioidolatry so as to be devoted to Christ would heal that rift?
 
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pjharrison

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shrume said:
Yes. Since women do not have seed, that is an allusion to the virgin birth. Look through the Bible. There are only two verses where women are said to have seed. One is Genesis 3:15, the other is Rev 12:17, where "the woman" refers to Israel.

Biblically, it is very clear that the seed comes from the male.
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But the virgin birth was different. Jesus had to have flesh, and he had to have that same nature that Adam and all of mankind have in order to show us how to live by the spirit and not by our souls. That's why we have to be born again. And he had to come through David's linage. That's why he chose Mary. He probably looked like Mary. If he didn't have everything in him that we have it would have been a waste of time, and he would have died for nothing. So he had to be just like us in every way, and yet still be God.
 
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