Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

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OstrichSmiling

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GodisONE said:
that was wrong of me to break it down like that. sometimes when you do so much research and study, it just rattles off like second nature. but in all seriousness, the KJV Bible has been tampered with. it's why I use the Complete Jewish Bible for the New Testament Aramaic. and I use the CLV for Paul's koine Greek. if you try those versions and test them against the KJV, you will educate yourself!!
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the Aramaic English New Testament is available now @ the Google App. store and @ the Apple store.
Great references to add to this discussion.
 
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GodisONE said:
hahahaha NO, but I do have everything my grandfather taught in the Bible colleges throughout Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida. Plus I have the notes of G.T. Haywood [who wrote the Crimson Stream of Blood] and him and my grandfather started the Pentecostal organization called [Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ] and they taught the ONENESS!!

the Catholics created the Trinity and added to the KJV Bible. but it requires someone who KNOWS GOD to see the TRUTH!!
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G....,
Are you concluding here that you do not believe in The Trinity?
 
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GodisONE said:
has it ever occurred to you that within the Catholic Encyclopedia it reveals how in the 2nd century the Catholics changed Matthew 28:19 [Yeshua commanding us to BAPTIZE IN HIS NAME] to the unholy trinity?

has it ever occurred to you to do some RESEARCH and EDUCATE yourself?

has it ever occurred to you that your pastor preaching THREE PERSONS is absolutely WRONG?

has it ever occurred to you there is a reason that YESHUA has the FULL GODHEAD [Father-Son-Holy Ghost] dwelling in Him?

has it ever occurred to you that KING JAMES WAS CATHOLIC and literally BASTARDIZED SCRIPTURE?

has it ever occurred to you why in ISAIAH [100% Hebrew manuscript] there is a LATIN WORD when LATIN was not introduced to the world some 1500 years AFTER ISAIAH was written?
the word is LUCIFER = LATIN = CATHOLIC ADDING TO THE BIBLE!!

has it ever occurred to you to GET A CLUE?
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Has it occurred to you that your attitude stinks?
 
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jaybird88 said:
G this is a set up question so he can report you and get you banned.
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J....,
Thanks for the heads up...but, I don't see that happening for me asking a simple question.
I await the posters response.
 
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preston39 said:
J....,
Thanks for the heads up...but, I don't see that happening for me asking a simple question.
I await the posters response.
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but you know if he answers, says they dont believe it, and someone reports them, banned.
 
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preston39 said:
G....,
Are you concluding here that you do not believe in The Trinity?
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John 14:
Yeshua makes the claim that when you SEE HIM you see the Father and when you see the Father you SEE YESHUA. Yeshua then furthers that with the Father lives inside Him.

Colossians 1:15
He [Yeshua] is the visible image of the invisible God.

these 2 verses are concrete evidence that Yeshua is also Yahweh [the Father].

even Yeshua claimed in John 8 that He was I AM. which is the Burning Bush/Moses/hand who wrote the 10 Commandments/command #1 have no other gods before ME [SINGULAR]!!

AND, ELOHIM in the Hebrew means SINGULAR GOD. only Americans made it be many gods.

I trust the ancient Hebrew over an American opinion any day!!

there is NO TRINITY!!
the word TRINITY is NOWHERE in any Bible!!
 
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Dino246 said:
Has it occurred to you that your attitude stinks?
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NOPE, Yeshua stated, I suppose you believe I have come to bring peace, NAY, I have come to bring division.

I will divide myself from ignorance all day long!!
 
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here is proof the Holy Spirit is ONLY the spirit of God, not a separate person of the trinity...


Genesis 6:3
ADONAI said, "My Spirit will not live in human beings forever, for they too are flesh; therefore their life span is to be 120 years."

God makes it clear that capital S [Spirit = Holy Spirit] is God's personal spirit that lives in us, not a separate entity!!
 
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GodisONE said:
AND, ELOHIM in the Hebrew means SINGULAR GOD. only Americans made it be many gods.

I trust the ancient Hebrew over an American opinion any day!!
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Actually, elohim is plural. "-im" indicates plural nouns in Hebrew like "s" in English.

So, I am not sure what Hebrew you trust. And I am not American.
 
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trofimus said:
Actually, elohim is plural. "-im" indicates plural nouns in Hebrew like "s" in English.

So, I am not sure what Hebrew you trust. And I am not American.
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from Hebrew dictionary:

It is used of the one true God Yahweh but when it is used of the true God “elohim” is generally followed by the singular verb.


However, when referring to the Hebrew God, Elohim is usually understood to be grammatically singular (i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective).
Elohim - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim
 
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GodisONE said:
from Hebrew dictionary:

It is used of the one true God Yahweh but when it is used of the true God “elohim” is generally followed by the singular verb.
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So, we have a plural noun with a singular verb. Strange, right? It seems like... three persons in one God, for example :)
 
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read the rest of my post!!

singular when it refers to the Hebrew God, which is our God, the God of Abraham!!
 
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GodisONE said:
read the rest of my post!!

singular when it refers to the Hebrew God, which is our God, the God of Abraham!!
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Which is OK, God is one, with three internal persons.
 
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shrume said:
In your beliefs, do these include Jesus too?

Rom 3:
10) As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
11) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
12) They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
13) Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
14) Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
15) Their feet are swift to shed blood:
16) Destruction and misery are in their ways:
17) And the way of peace have they not known:
18) There is no fear of God before their eyes.
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That context is about "for all have sinned" Jesus never sinned so that is not including Jesus. But the context in Rom 5:12 "death came to all people" includes Jesus because Jesus suffered physical death and generically sinned when Adam sinned because Jesus' physical humanity was in Adam when Adam sinned as" all of us sinned" and suffer physical death including Jesus.
 
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trofimus said:
Which is OK, God is one, with three internal persons.
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remember, this is my opinion only. so no offence!!


Ezekiel and Revelation describe the Throne Room of God. ironically, there is only ONE THRONE and ONE GOD on the throne. if there was 3 persons, then there would be THREE THRONES. it's safe to conclude by the throne room just how many persons of God there actually exists. ONE, the Ancient One!!
 
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GodisONE said:
remember, this is my opinion only. so no offence!!


Ezekiel and Revelation describe the Throne Room of God. ironically, there is only ONE THRONE and ONE GOD on the throne. if there was 3 persons, then there would be THREE THRONES. it's safe to conclude by the throne room just how many persons of God there actually exists. ONE, the Ancient One!!
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I am not sure why do you limit yourself by your perception of space and why do you think it must apply to such different being as God.

One God, one throne. Three persons, one throne. Strange? Yes, God is strange. So what. We accept triunity by faith, not by human logic.
 
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OstrichSmiling said:
Unfortunately "strawman argument" as a rebuttal is used far too often by persons found to be in error in their Exegesis. You've not argued for the Hypostatic union. In fact, your posts and those commenting with concern for their content demonstrate you are doing the precise opposite of that.
“The hypostatic union is the mysterious joining of the divine and the human in the one person of Jesus.”

Hebrew's blood heritage passed through the Matrilineal line.Were your argument that Jesus was divine and human you would not continually insist Jesus was human. His fleshly appearance would have given him the Hebrew tracing through his mother who bore him. However, he was begotten upon her by God's holy spirit. Not man's seed. Therefore, contrary to your argument in this thread prior, Jesus did not have a sinful nature even though he did not sin. He had a divine nature from the moment he entered Mary's womb by God's will.
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OstrichSmiling said:
Unfortunately "strawman argument" as a rebuttal is used far too often by persons found to be in error in their Exegesis. You've not argued for the Hypostatic union. In fact, your posts and those commenting with concern for their content demonstrate you are doing the precise opposite of that.
“The hypostatic union is the mysterious joining of the divine and the human in the one person of Jesus.”

Hebrew's blood heritage passed through the Matrilineal line.Were your argument that Jesus was divine and human you would not continually insist Jesus was human. His fleshly appearance would have given him the Hebrew tracing through his mother who bore him. However, he was begotten upon her by God's holy spirit. Not man's seed. Therefore, contrary to your argument in this thread prior, Jesus did not have a sinful nature even though he did not sin. He had a divine nature from the moment he entered Mary's womb by God's will.
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The seed was Mary's Gen 3:15 totally fallen humanity under the curse of death Rom 5:12. There is no reason the divine nature cannot unite with our broken human nature in the hypostatic union. In fact, that is what Heb 2:17 says.
 
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trofimus said:
I am not sure why do you limit yourself by your perception of space and why do you think it must apply to such different being as God.

One God, one throne. Three persons, one throne. Strange? Yes, God is strange. So what. We accept triunity by faith, not by human logic.
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the nature of God is triune, not the physical distinction. Paul made that clear in Colossians 1:15

He [Yeshua] is the VISIBLE image of the INVISIBLE God!!

this verse here proves Yeshua is both the physical [visible] and invisible image of who we know as Yahweh. which makes Yeshua the Father and the Son!! and we know Yeshua also was full of the Holy Spirit since He was the Anointed ONE. that puts the 3 natures of God ALL within Yeshua. you cannot make that claim for the Father nor the Holy Ghost, only for Yeshua!!
 
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