Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

[trofimus]

I do not LIMIT GOD like trinitarians do, to begin with. when I understand that God is omnipresent and CAN DO ALL THINGS, I understand that the WORD means something SPOKEN. and like myself when I speak on my job, my word is a command for those under me to do the ACTION. but in this sense, I understand Yahweh speaks and His WORD [Yeshua] does what is told (action).

and Yeshua proved this in John 14 when He said, the things I do and say are NOT MY OWN words and doing, but the Father who lives inside me is doing. this is as clear as it gets that YAHWEH speaks and His WORD [Yeshua] does what is spoken.

now, are my words and myself the SAME or different?
they are the SAME.

just like Yahweh and His WORD [Yeshua] are the SAME!! it's just as God, Yahweh made His own WORD to be flesh to die for us and to give us an example how we are to live as believers!!

You are building too much on the English translation - "Word".

In Greek, its "Logos" and in Greek culture this term had specific philosophical meanings and context. Logos was a being emerging from God, its not a word in a grammatical sense.

J 1:1 is using this philosophical context and saying - this (ho) Logos is Jesus Christ. The Logos became flesh and lived among us.

 

[beta]

What the Law could not do, because human nature was weak, God did. He condemned sin in human nature by sending his own Son, who came with a nature like our sinful nature, to do away with sin.
Romans 8:3 GNT
https://bible.com/bible/68/rom.8.3.GNT

Man was NOT created with a sinful nature....we BECAME that way. What we did come with was 'HUMAN nature, as did Jesus/Yashua.
Human nature is not automatically sinful but BECAME sinful through DISobedience. SO _since Jesus never sinned His Human nature did not become sinful !!!

 

[trofimus]

What does "sinful" means?

a) it inclines us to sin

or

b) it forces us to sin

or

c) it allows us to sin ?

 

[beta]

It is impossible to do what God’s standards demand because of the weakness our human nature has. But God sent his Son to have a human nature as sinners have and to pay for sin. That way God condemned sin in our corrupt nature.
Romans 8:3 GW
https://bible.com/bible/70/rom.8.3.GW

Human nature is WEAK and gives way to temptation - why ? because WE do not have the DEFENCE Jesus had in full measure of God's/His Father's Spirit. But hopefully we will GROW in SPIRIT and thereby overcome sin....having finally been conformed (matured) to HIS likeness.

 

[preacher4truth]

Likeness there means Jesus was just like us in every way Heb 2:17.

You really need to be untaught and placed under someone who knows what Scripture means, not just what it says. You're still out on a limb. Please, stop trying to teach, you don't know what Scripture means in many places. Thank you.

 

[beta]

One day all of us will fully understand everything...so let us be patient and wait ! we have need of it Heb 10v36.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Man was NOT created with a sinful nature....we BECAME that way. What we did come with was 'HUMAN nature, as did Jesus/Yashua.
Human nature is not automatically sinful but BECAME sinful through DISobedience. SO _since Jesus never sinned His Human nature did not become sinful !!!

Jesus did not have to commit a sin to have our sinful nature. What are you doing by ignoring what that verse says in my post you quoted? That is irrational of you.

 

[justpassinthrough]

If He didn't then how could this be true?:

Therefore, it was necessary for him to be made in every respect like us, his brothers and sisters, so that he could be our merciful and faithful High Priest before God. Then he could offer a sacrifice that would take away the sins of the people. Since he himself has gone through suffering and testing, he is able to help us when we are being tested.
Hebrews 2:17‭-‬18 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/heb.2.17-18.NLT

He was not born from the sinful line of Adam, but from the Seed of His Father, who is God.



JPT

 

[DevotiontoBible]

He was not born from the sinful line of Adam, but from the Seed of His Father, who is God.



JPT

He was born from the sinful line of Adam. See the genealogy in Luke' Gospel. He was from the seed of Mary Gen 3:15. He is her son 1:31. He is the son of man.

 

[DevotiontoBible]

What the law could not do since it was limited by the flesh, God did. He condemned sin in the flesh by sending His own Son in flesh like ours under sin’s domain, and as a sin offering,
Romans 8:3 HCSB
https://bible.com/bible/72/rom.8.3.HCSB

The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.
Romans 8:3 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.3.NLT

What the Law could not do, because human nature was weak, God did. He condemned sin in human nature by sending his own Son, who came with a nature like our sinful nature, to do away with sin.
Romans 8:3 GNT
https://bible.com/bible/68/rom.8.3.GNT

It is impossible to do what God’s standards demand because of the weakness our human nature has. But God sent his Son to have a human nature as sinners have and to pay for sin. That way God condemned sin in our corrupt nature.
Romans 8:3 GW
https://bible.com/bible/70/rom.8.3.GW

Here it is in four translations saying that Jesus had our sinful human nature.

 

[justpassinthrough]

He was born from the sinful line of Adam.

He was born of a virgin, having Joseph as it were, being from the line of David, as His adopted father, being the husband of Mary.


6 This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6

• not only by water, but by water and blood.

Do you understand what this passage means?





JPT

 

[DevotiontoBible]

He was born of a virgin, having Joseph as it were, being from the line of David, as His adopted father, being the husband of Mary.


6 This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6

• not only by water, but by water and blood.

Do you understand what this passage means?





JPT

It means this:

And Jesus Christ was revealed as God’s Son by his baptism in water and by shedding his blood on the cross —not by water only, but by water and blood. And the Spirit, who is truth, confirms it with his testimony.
1 John 5:6 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/1jn.5.6.NLT

 

[DevotiontoBible]

He was born of a virgin, having Joseph as it were, being from the line of David, as His adopted father, being the husband of Mary.


6 This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6

• not only by water, but by water and blood.

Do you understand what this passage means?





JPT

Mary was from the line of David.

 

[garee]

Corrupted or temporal flesh is typified as sinful because it has a temporal corrupted spirit.

God is not a man as us never was never could be .His eternal Spirit dwelt in the Son of man and never became a man with a temporal spirit .

Although the Son of Man Jesus in respect to the eternal Spirit of God dwelt in Jesus . Jesus said of that flesh as that seen: it profited for nothing, zero . For it is the unsen eternal Spirit that gives us the spirit life needed to live forever. We walk by faith in a living abiding hope of receiving a new incorruptible body which no man has received A body that will not be male nor female Jew nor Gentile.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Its not his birth by which we are reconked as new creature but by the holiness of His spirit because of the resurrection.

The cross was a demonstration of the work of the Spirit not the actual unseen work (the Lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world before God corrupted the whole first creation .

The Son of man refused worship in respect to his outward flesh . When called good teacher as Master as a flesh mediator . Jesus who was used as a representative glory gave glory to our unseen God and informed us unless he vanishes out of sight the true infallible mediator as our comforter and teacher would not come . For as one is our Father of Spirits in heaven the same applies to teacher/master one is our infallible teacher not seen in heaven will not . No man can serve two teaching masters. One of the flesh as the things of man seen and of the Spirit as the unseen things of God.

Two different laws . the written law as that seen kills and the law of faith as the unsen Law of the Spirit


There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.(the written law as that seen)
For what the law (written) could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness (not actual) of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Roman 8:1-3

 

[DevotiontoBible]

Corrupted or temporal flesh is typified as sinful because it has a temporal corrupted spirit.

God is not a man as us never was never could be .His eternal Spirit dwelt in the Son of man and never became a man with a temporal spirit .

Although the Son of Man Jesus in respect to the eternal Spirit of God dwelt in Jesus . Jesus said of that flesh as that seen: it profited for nothing, zero . For it is the unsen eternal Spirit that gives us the spirit life needed to live forever. We walk by faith in a living abiding hope of receiving a new incorruptible body which no man has received A body that will not be male nor female Jew nor Gentile.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Its not his birth by which we are reconked as new creature but by the holiness of His spirit because of the resurrection.

The cross was a demonstration of the work of the Spirit not the actual unseen work (the Lamb of God slain from before the foundation of the world before God corrupted the whole first creation .

The Son of man refused worship in respect to his outward flesh . When called good teacher as Master as a flesh mediator . Jesus who was used as a representative glory gave glory to our unseen God and informed us unless he vanishes out of sight the true infallible mediator as our comforter and teacher would not come . For as one is our Father of Spirits in heaven the same applies to teacher/master one is our infallible teacher not seen in heaven will not . No man can serve two teaching masters. One of the flesh as the things of man seen and of the Spirit as the unseen things of God.

Two different laws . the written law as that seen kills and the law of faith as the unsen Law of the Spirit


There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.(the written law as that seen)
For what the law (written) could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness (not actual) of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Roman 8:1-3

If that is the way you want to understand "likeness" there then you are not going to actually be resurrected :

...certainly we shall also be in the likeness (not actual?) of His resurrection,
Romans 6:5 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/rom.6.5.NASB

I have provided four Bible translations saying Jesus actually did have our sin nature.

 

[garee]

If that is the way you want to understand "likeness" there then you are not going to actually be resurrected :

...certainly we shall also be in the likeness (not actual?) of His resurrection,
Romans 6:5 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/rom.6.5.NASB

I have provided four Bible translations saying Jesus actually did have our sin nature.

God does not have a nature. He is supernatural without nature, as a beginning .

I think its the way he define likeness . Not the way natural man defines likeness turning things up side down.. making eternal God...into gods(many) in the likeness of men

And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. Acts 14:11

 

[shrume]

He could sin, technically.

He cold not sin, practically, because He was the Son of God.

For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh
R 8:3

Could Jesus have sinned? I believe that he could have. He chose not to, remaining obedient to the Father.

 

[shrume]

What the law could not do since it was limited by the flesh, God did. He condemned sin in the flesh by sending His own Son in flesh like ours under sin’s domain, and as a sin offering,
Romans 8:3 HCSB
https://bible.com/bible/72/rom.8.3.HCSB

The law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sin’s control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins.
Romans 8:3 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.8.3.NLT

What the Law could not do, because human nature was weak, God did. He condemned sin in human nature by sending his own Son, who came with a nature like our sinful nature, to do away with sin.
Romans 8:3 GNT
https://bible.com/bible/68/rom.8.3.GNT

It is impossible to do what God’s standards demand because of the weakness our human nature has. But God sent his Son to have a human nature as sinners have and to pay for sin. That way God condemned sin in our corrupt nature.
Romans 8:3 GW
https://bible.com/bible/70/rom.8.3.GW

Here it is in four translations saying that Jesus had our sinful human nature.

None of them say Jesus had our sinful human nature.

His flesh was like ours, not identical as ours.
His body was like ours, not identical to ours.
The GNT and GW translations are awful.

Jesus did not have a sinful nature. He had the capacity TO sin, but he did not sin.

Our sin nature is our "brokenness". We come from the womb needing salvation.

Jesus was not broken, he was not tainted, he did not come from the womb needing salvation.

 

[trofimus]

Could Jesus have sinned? I believe that he could have. He chose not to, remaining obedient to the Father.

I think it was impossible in the same way as it is impossible for God to lie.

His body was as weak as ours, but His deity gave him power, knowledge and self-control we cannot get naturally.

 

[shrume]

I think it was impossible in the same way as it is impossible for God to lie.

His body was as weak as ours, but His deity gave him power, knowledge and self-control we cannot get naturally.

It is literally impossible for God to lie.

It was literally possible for Jesus to sin.

If it was impossible for Jesus to sin, then he didn't actually overcome anything and the temptations were a sham.