Did Jesus Have The Human Sinful Nature?

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shrume said:
None of them say Jesus had our sinful human nature.

His flesh was like ours, not identical as ours.
His body was like ours, not identical to ours.
The GNT and GW translations are awful.

Jesus did not have a sinful nature. He had the capacity TO sin, but he did not sin.

Our sin nature is our "brokenness". We come from the womb needing salvation.

Jesus was not broken, he was not tainted, he did not come from the womb needing salvation.
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"like" in that sentence means the same as. Jesus' nature was the same as our sinful nature.
 
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shrume said:
It is literally impossible for God to lie.

It was literally possible for Jesus to sin.

If it was impossible for Jesus to sin, then he didn't actually overcome anything and the temptations were a sham.
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I am not sure how you use the word "literally".

Jesus could sin technically, if He wanted to. But, being God, he always ruled his will and his body properly.
 
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trofimus said:
You are building too much on the English translation - "Word".

In Greek, its "Logos" and in Greek culture this term had specific philosophical meanings and context. Logos was a being emerging from God, its not a word in a grammatical sense.

J 1:1 is using this philosophical context and saying - this (ho) Logos is Jesus Christ. The Logos became flesh and lived among us.
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still is an example of what I am saying here.

the word logos means: the Word of God, or principle of divine reason and creative order.

this is specific to how I am using it.
Yeshua is the creation of God's spoken WORD.
God speaks and His WORD creates what is commanded.

either way, God and His spoken WORD are still ONE and the SAME PERSON!!

I cannot speak and my words not be my own, just like God cannot speak and His WORD not be His own!!
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
He was born from the sinful line of Adam. See the genealogy in Luke' Gospel. He was from the seed of Mary Gen 3:15. He is her son 1:31. He is the son of man.
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Yeshua has made physical appearances before He became a child.
so, how can someone be born that pre-existed?

a better question, Colossians states Yeshua is the CREATOR of ALL THINGS...this means He created Mary.
how can He create Mary and then be her biological offspring?
that is impossible.

He had no DNA from Mary or from Adam because He created both Adam and Mary!!

YOU and myself are created by Him!!
 
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shrume said:
If Jesus "could not sin", then he wasn't really tempted, the temptations were all a show. Meaningless.
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Being tempted is not a sin Jesus was tempted in all points as man withOUT Sin that is what the Bibles says .
 
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Chuckyz2 said:
I know where we started. And I am not going to go into all over.
But you again said Jesus power is limited. And it is not. You say
in one post it is and in another it is not. I cant understand you. Sorry.
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Jesus agreed to willful limitation in His body as man. That is what I said And I see that in the word of God
 
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Chuckyz2 said:
I know where we started. And I am not going to go into all over.
But you again said Jesus power is limited. And it is not. You say
in one post it is and in another it is not. I cant understand you. Sorry.
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it's ok I need you not to understand me no big deal to me . I said willful limitation . I agree with this in context to HIS Body Jesus before the resurrection . The body needed to sleep, Needed to eat. And the body could not be at all places at once from what I see in the bible Could He appear in many places at once ? I yes He could But Jesus who is God willfully took on this limitation in a body . If you do not get that it's ok if you do not agree it's ok Hey I could be wrong :)
 
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CS1 said:
Being tempted is not a sin Jesus was tempted in all points as man withOUT Sin that is what the Bibles says .
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I agree.

Jesus was tempted to sin, and he COULD HAVE sinned, but chose not to. He obeyed the Father.

If he could not have sinned, then he was not really tempted.
 
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shrume said:
I agree.

Jesus was tempted to sin, and he COULD HAVE sinned, but chose not to. He obeyed the Father.

If he could not have sinned, then he was not really tempted.
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I see that I agree to a point. I too see some choose to use that as Him Not being Fully God for God cannot be tempted . The devil tempted Jesus because Jesus was in a body that had flesh which the devil tempts. As we see the very first temptation recorded in Matthew was to change stones to Bread. Jesus answered by the Word. I see it as Jesus endured temptation on our behalf to show us HIS Supremacy over the devil and sin. Just because the devil makes suggestion ( temptation ) did not mean Jesus could weaken and do it.
 
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I see that I agree to a point. I too see some choose to use that as Him Not being Fully God for God cannot be tempted . The devil tempted Jesus because Jesus was in a body that had flesh which the devil tempts. As we see the very first temptation recorded in Matthew was to change stones to Bread. Jesus answered by the Word. I see it as Jesus endured temptation on our behalf to show us HIS Supremacy over the devil and sin. Just because the devil makes suggestion ( temptation ) did not mean Jesus could weaken and do it.
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But that's the point... He COULD have.

In his humanity, he was a man.
 
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CS1 said:
I see that I agree to a point. I too see some choose to use that as Him Not being Fully God for God cannot be tempted . The devil tempted Jesus because Jesus was in a body that had flesh which the devil tempts. As we see the very first temptation recorded in Matthew was to change stones to Bread. Jesus answered by the Word. I see it as Jesus endured temptation on our behalf to show us HIS Supremacy over the devil and sin. Just because the devil makes suggestion ( temptation ) did not mean Jesus could weaken and do it.
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The devil is going to tempt even if Jesus would never do it why? because that is the MO of the devil he is the "tempter". he did it in the garden, he has done it through out the bible. Jesus demonstrated

"submit Yourself to God" Jesus was praying and fasting 40 days. "Resist the devil" , Jesus used the word of God quoting deuteronomy
" And he will flee from you " the devil left

Jame 4:7
 
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CS1 said:
LOL I see you are avoiding my Question I will ask again

Do you Believe Jesus is God ? Y/n
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Yes, and in the hypostatic union God took on the same physical body we have with its sin nature. Jesus was fully human. He just never sinned like we do.
 
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shrume said:
But that's the point... He COULD have.

In his humanity, he was a man.
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I do not think he could have at all. The temptation was futile because Jesus is God . The context of the temptation is to show us HIS holiness , and supremacy over the devil how? By the very word of God .
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
Yes, and in the hypostatic union God took on the same physical body we have with its sin nature. Jesus was fully human. He just never sinned like we do.[/QUOTE

Jesus did not take on the sinful nature . And to answer your question Jesus is the Son of Man bees Jesus said He is :)
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That's your opinion that Jesus did not have the sinful nature but I provided four Bible translations saying the opposite.
 
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I do not think he could have at all. The temptation was futile because Jesus is God . The context of the temptation is to show us HIS holiness , and supremacy over the devil how? By the very word of God .
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If the temptations were futile, why waste time tempting him? The context of the temptation is to show us that we too can withstand temptation by the very word of God. There is no temptation that takes you but that which is common to man; but God is faithful who will not suffer you to be tempted above that which you are able but will with the temptation also make a way to escape so that you may be able to bear it. . . he himself suffered being tempted so he is able to succor them that are tempted. How can he succor those that are tempted if he truly wasn't tempted? As a man, he was tempted in all things like we are yet he did not sin, whereas Adam when he was tempted - he disobeyed. Christ did not yield his body to the temptation but yielded his body to obedience to his Father . . . It would be foolhardy to tempt God - God cannot be tempted, neither does he tempt any man.
 
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CS1 said:
I do not think he could have at all. The temptation was futile because Jesus is God . The context of the temptation is to show us HIS holiness , and supremacy over the devil how? By the very word of God .
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If it was not possible for Jesus to sin, then he wasn't really tempted.

Jesus was tempted to turn stones into bread. He was hungry, he hadn't eaten in a long time. He was tempted to do it, and he could have done it, but chose not to.
 
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shrume said:
If it was not possible for Jesus to sin, then he wasn't really tempted.

Jesus was tempted to turn stones into bread. He was hungry, he hadn't eaten in a long time. He was tempted to do it, and he could have done it, but chose not to.
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I agree, but if Jesus did not have the same sin nature we have then He was not faced with the same testings we do:

This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin.
Hebrews 4:15 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/heb.4.15.NLT
 
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DevotiontoBible said:
I agree, but if Jesus did not have the same sin nature we have then He was not faced with the same testings we do:
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Not true.

This High Priest of ours understands our weaknesses, for he faced all of the same testings we do, yet he did not sin.
Hebrews 4:15 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/heb.4.15.NLT
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Adam did not have a sin nature before he sinned. He was tempted, and sinned, and acquired a sin nature. His nature literally changed. He became "crafty", he became fearful, he blame-shifted. We all inherit that nature.

Jesus did not, because his Father is THE Father.
 
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