Lying wonders or true wonders?
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Millennium, the Kingdom of God?!!
Jer 31:
31“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband tod them,e ”
declares the Lord.
33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
The 'perfect has come' simply means the ratification of the new covenant. And when was the new covenant ratified?
Rev 14:13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”
The new covenant started the minute that angel spoke those words and were recorded by John.
Are we in the new covenant or the old covenant? Do we have teachers today and are they appointed by God?
The new covenant means the Holy spirit works within us on an individual level. A brother will not tell a brother "know the Lord" and one will not go around healing others for one who needs healing, they already have it without even asking.
All these things that are being displayed today are not from God.
Jer 31:
31“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband tod them,e ”
declares the Lord.
33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
The 'perfect has come' simply means the ratification of the new covenant. And when was the new covenant ratified?
Rev 14:13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”
The new covenant started the minute that angel spoke those words and were recorded by John.
Are we in the new covenant or the old covenant? Do we have teachers today and are they appointed by God?
The new covenant means the Holy spirit works within us on an individual level. A brother will not tell a brother "know the Lord" and one will not go around healing others for one who needs healing, they already have it without even asking.
All these things that are being displayed today are not from God.
I think this scripture was written for you.
Matt 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
We can rule that these people are not Muslims, tribal Jews, Hindus, Pagans, Atheists but so called Christians. And from the nature of their complaint against God, we can tell that they were thoroughly convinced that they were doing all those things for God and based on scripture just like it is today.
Tongues /Healing /Raising of the dead/other miracles- personally, i don't even trust evangelism- all ceased. The kingdom of God doesn't come with visible signs that someone can say ".. you see those people there speaking a new language or these people here healing and getting healed.."
Matt 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
We can rule that these people are not Muslims, tribal Jews, Hindus, Pagans, Atheists but so called Christians. And from the nature of their complaint against God, we can tell that they were thoroughly convinced that they were doing all those things for God and based on scripture just like it is today.
Tongues /Healing /Raising of the dead/other miracles- personally, i don't even trust evangelism- all ceased. The kingdom of God doesn't come with visible signs that someone can say ".. you see those people there speaking a new language or these people here healing and getting healed.."
Thumbs up....CEASE, VANISH AWAY and FAIL are clear, especially in light of what the gifts were used for..........but just like numerous biblical truths that are clear...scriptures get denied, chunked under the bus, embellished, swept under the rug, taken out of context, misapplied to worldly examples that cannot compare etc. to embrace and or push an unattainable position that does not bear up under honest scrutiny....!
I would suggest it does have to do with those sent (apostles) . The age began when God sent Abel His apostle with the gospel of faith ,
His brother Cain because he had "no faith" slew Abel the first martyr according the natural things of this world ..as in out of sight out of mind. Walking by sight just as did Saul before he was converted born again as Paul . Previously killing the misperceived competition punishing both men and woman and children . Again as in out of sight out of mind as if we did wrestle against flesh and blood as that seen, the temporal
His brother Cain because he had "no faith" slew Abel the first martyr according the natural things of this world ..as in out of sight out of mind. Walking by sight just as did Saul before he was converted born again as Paul . Previously killing the misperceived competition punishing both men and woman and children . Again as in out of sight out of mind as if we did wrestle against flesh and blood as that seen, the temporal
1 Cor.13 8-13 is not about canon of scripture, IMHO that interpretation doesn't hold water at all 
So yeah I was being what thought was kinda funny
So yeah I was being what thought was kinda funny
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each of us upon being' created', create' our own 'wonders', ie, being created/born into satan's world...
he gives us 'free reign', in order to try and get us to go 'against' our 'Holy Saviour's Ways'...
after living totally against God's Heart, for so many years, He, for His own reasons, stepped in,
and shared His Holy Love with us in such a complete way, that there just was 'no other way'...
he gives us 'free reign', in order to try and get us to go 'against' our 'Holy Saviour's Ways'...
after living totally against God's Heart, for so many years, He, for His own reasons, stepped in,
and shared His Holy Love with us in such a complete way, that there just was 'no other way'...
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Yeaaa for those who look into prophesy with a physical eye. These prophesies are 100% spiritual and the language used is all symbolic. Peter & Paul witnessed to the nations and would call upon fire from heaven (signs & wonders)/ all that were against them would die e.g Roman soldiers/ nothing would hold them back (they all miraculously escaped from prison) until they finished witnessing/ after witnessing, the antichrist pursued them and killed them, the enemies celebrated but their souls were raised to God after 3.5 days just Jesus and every believer thereafter is also raised on the 3rd day.
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.
For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
(1 Corinthians 13:8-12)
(1 Corinthians 13:8-12)
i just don't see the canon of scripture being the subject here. it's about completeness in Christ - about His ushering in His covenant ((cmp. 'put the ways of childhood behind' with 'the law our schoolmaster' no longer being under law, but grace, by the Spirit, all righteousness fulfilled by love)), and about His coming again to redeem our bodies and restore all creation to Himself (('then I shall know fully' etc)). prophecy, tongues, signs cease when all His works are finished - when there is nothing to point to because all prophecy is fulfilled. this supports cessationism but doesn't necc. mean it has all completely ceased today. still that doesn't seem to be about scripture.
'where there is knowledge it will pass away' -- to me this is extraordinary difficult to understand what is being said, and maybe the closest link to 'scripture' as a subject, next to 'prophecy' -- because scripture is prophetic, and scripture, being true, is a source of knowledge. but it says it will pass away: what? Christ says in another place 'heaven and earth will pass away but My words will never pass away' -- so can that be talking about scripture? His word is scripture.
i can see how it applies - for ex. prophecy ceases at some time, and we can liken scripture to 'prophecy' as an abstract, and say the writing of scripture ceases the same way. but when does it cease? according to what is being said here, when completeness comes - and i think it's clear that the 'coming completeness' is a double reference to His first appearing, ending the Sinai covenant and beginning the covenant of His blood and His cross, and His second appearing, stopping every mouth that does not believe Him, judging the world, and completing the work He began in all of us, renewing all creation. then we will all fully know - at that time, not at the time John wrote down his revelation. i don't think it's pointing at the completion of scripture, is all, i think it's pointing at the completion of creation, the last day. in Revelation for ex. there are things John was not allowed to write - what the seven thunders said ((Rev. 10:4)) -- that's not written down or heard by any man but John, so, if that's in some sense 'scripture' it hasn't been added to what is given to us yet, and won't be until all the things in Revelation come to pass.
does all this make sense, what i'm saying?
i can see that you can take a principle from this passage and apply it to the completion of His word to us, at this time. i'm not saying scripture is still being written - just that scripture itself really doesn't seem to be the subject.
feel free to convince me
i'm never unwilling, but i don't make it easy lol
men do that because man is vain.
what i'm essentially saying is the "then" in this verse:
i ain't disagreeing that what He intends for us as scripture is complete. i'm just saying that's not what this passage is about; i don't think it fits at all; it's about something else: a day when knowledge passes away and hope disappears because all is fulfilled, and only love remains.
what i'm essentially saying is the "then" in this verse:
For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
is the day He returns to gather His bride and complete the marriage. not the day John put down his stylus and capped his inkwell for the last time. there's application to the completion of this book, by analogy, but it's not what Paul's writing about; 'scripture' isn't the subject here. we don't see face-to-face now, and we don't know fully. compare Romans 8:22-23 -- we're still waiting along with all creation 'in earnest expectation' i ain't disagreeing that what He intends for us as scripture is complete. i'm just saying that's not what this passage is about; i don't think it fits at all; it's about something else: a day when knowledge passes away and hope disappears because all is fulfilled, and only love remains.
The spirit of the antichrist(Satan) began in the garden as another mediator another kind of gospel.. by the upside down counterfeiter father of lies. He was a murder from the beginning . Murdering Adam and Eve.
It depends on how a person defines a word singular . Not adding a new meaning to it .Change the meaning of one word change the authorship. (blasphemy)
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:Genesis 3:3-4
Again the Catholic mind set as those who followed a "law of the fathers" calling them apostolical succession..... making the word of God without effect, those in whom Christ called a "brood of vipers" and they coined the phrase; "apostolic age".
I suggest Abel was the first sent one(apostle) .His brother killed him because he refused to hear the gospel and walk by faith .Killing the misperceived competition as those who have no faith.
Was Moses an apostle or Abraham and Rehab or were they not sent by God like the 25 listed in the new testament ?
Note.... (purple in parentessis) my addition
Ye shall not add unto the word (singular) which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it (singular) , that ye may keep the commandments (plural the whole) of the Lord your God which I command you.feuteronomy4;2