BIBLE VERSES EXPLAINING SOME TEACHINGS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
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I guess you have no clue. Your just bent on demonizing the Catholic Church. Isn't that nice.
The church was established by infallible men. Christ was the cornerstone. And Christ said he would build his church upon Peter, and I have no problem believing that...
Mathew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
The church was established by infallible men. Christ was the cornerstone. And Christ said he would build his church upon Peter, and I have no problem believing that...
Mathew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
I am bent on standing for biblical truth.
Why don't you tell me how one gets saved in the Roman Catholic Church. What must one do to be assured of heaven according to The Roman Catholic church?
Set me straight on how one becomes part of the great church universal. So this poor unwashed pagan can be redeemed.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Why don't you tell me how one gets saved in the Roman Catholic Church. What must one do to be assured of heaven according to The Roman Catholic church?
Set me straight on how one becomes part of the great church universal. So this poor unwashed pagan can be redeemed.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Sola scripture hasn't worked out very well. You can say you defend it but have you notice, and this forum is proof!? You're sola scripture crowd can't agree on sola scripture! In fact it's so bad that the Protestant Church has divided into thousands of denominations quite often over petty differences! Luther would have been better off staying in the church and try to make amends.
You can have your sola scripture!
You can have your sola scripture!
Your reply is the very thing I find most disgusting about Protestants. You demonize and condemn people.
How about these sola scriptures, do they strike a never in you at all? I doubt it...
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
How about these sola scriptures, do they strike a never in you at all? I doubt it...
Judge not, that ye be not judged.
For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
You not answer my question brother. Can you learn about how matter teresa conduct her business from the bible? Sho me how.
There is earthquake in Indonesia, the reporter was islam and you do not believe because the reporter was islam? Go to Lombok If you want to be one of the victim.
Tel me why you call me a liar, proof It.
Let me proof to you one more time that catholic is Lie to you.
Catholic say islam worship Abraham God. It is a Lie. Abraham God tell us Jesus is God, islam god tell mohammad Jesus is not god.
That proof catholic is Lie to you. Catholic not love you. You are fool by catholic. Catholic hate you.
Wake up brother, you not aware that you defend some one that hate you
There is earthquake in Indonesia, the reporter was islam and you do not believe because the reporter was islam? Go to Lombok If you want to be one of the victim.
Tel me why you call me a liar, proof It.
Let me proof to you one more time that catholic is Lie to you.
Catholic say islam worship Abraham God. It is a Lie. Abraham God tell us Jesus is God, islam god tell mohammad Jesus is not god.
That proof catholic is Lie to you. Catholic not love you. You are fool by catholic. Catholic hate you.
Wake up brother, you not aware that you defend some one that hate you
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"the lavish dessert buffet after that meal was simply over the top"
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The Protestant's have perverted the way of Salvation. They tell us, "all you have to do to be saved is believe." If that were true then I would ask, "believe in what, or who?"
One the most contentious issues of the reformation was Salvation. It's unscriptural to say "all you have to do is believe." We are all saved by grace, but so was Hitler, only he didn't accept or believe in that grace, and even if he did, his works didn't support it. And that's where the Calvinist go wrong. They even tell us that John 3:16 was meant only for believers. What a joke.
You cannot separate Grace, faith, and works! Grace is what God did for us through Jesus Christ. Faith, better translated 'living faith,' is our active part in accepting that grace, and works is the evidence that something significant has taken place in a believers life.
A simple mental declaration that one believes in God and Jesus Christ doesn't save anybody. The only way it is verified is through living faith and works! And that is what I and my Catholic brothers and sisters believe. Protestant's have perverted the gospel message of salvation by saying, "all you have to do is believe" and there is no greater lie.
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
One the most contentious issues of the reformation was Salvation. It's unscriptural to say "all you have to do is believe." We are all saved by grace, but so was Hitler, only he didn't accept or believe in that grace, and even if he did, his works didn't support it. And that's where the Calvinist go wrong. They even tell us that John 3:16 was meant only for believers. What a joke.
You cannot separate Grace, faith, and works! Grace is what God did for us through Jesus Christ. Faith, better translated 'living faith,' is our active part in accepting that grace, and works is the evidence that something significant has taken place in a believers life.
A simple mental declaration that one believes in God and Jesus Christ doesn't save anybody. The only way it is verified is through living faith and works! And that is what I and my Catholic brothers and sisters believe. Protestant's have perverted the gospel message of salvation by saying, "all you have to do is believe" and there is no greater lie.
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
2 Timothy 3
[14] But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, (Tradition)
knowing from whom you learned it (Magisterium) or Teaching Authority
[15] and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. (Scriptures)
[16] All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
[17] that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Note verse 14-15. It admonishes Timothy to do three things:
1) Remember what you have learned and firmly believed (Tradition)
2) Know from whom you learned it (Magisterium)
3) Know you have the Scriptures
The Bible on St. Paul's list comes in third, not first. He actually gives here the traditional Catholic teaching on the three sources of sound teaching.
In verse 15 he goes into an excursus on the Bible. This brief excursus emphasizes the value of the Bible and recommends a fourfold method of exegesis. This verse was used in the pre-Reformation Church as a proof text for the Quadriga which was the standard Catholic approach to the Bible. The Quadriga method used the following four categories:
Literal/Literary (teaching) - the text as it is written
Analogical (reproof) - matters of faith
Anagogical (correction) - matters of hope/prophecy
Moral (training in righteousness) - matters of charity
The analogical, anagogical and moral senses of the Bible were known collectively as the spiritual senses, still taught today.
The 'reformers' rejected the BIBLICAL fourfold method of exegesis in favor of a more literal approach, and ignored 2 Tim 3:16!!!
2 Tim. 3:17 - Paul's reference to the "man of God" who may be complete refers to a clergyman, not a layman. It is an instruction to a bishop of the Church. So, although they use it to prove their case, the passage is not even relevant to most of the faithful.
(2 Tim. 3:16–17).
This passage doesn’t teach formal sufficiency, which excludes a binding, authoritative role for Tradition and Church. Protestants extrapolate onto the text what isn’t there. If we look at the overall context of this passage, we can see that Paul makes reference to oral Tradition three times (cf. 2 Tim. 1:13–14; 2:2; 3:14). And to use an analogy, let’s examine a similar passage:
(Ephesians. 4:11–15).
If 2 Timothy 3 proves the sole sufficiency of Scripture, then, by analogy, Ephesians 4 would likewise prove the sufficiency of pastors and teachers for the attainment of Christian perfection. In Ephesians 4, the C.hristian believer is equipped, built up, brought into unity and mature manhood, and even preserved from doctrinal confusion by means of the teaching function of the Church. This is a far stronger statement of the perfecting of the saints than 2 Timothy 3, yet it does not even mention Scripture.
So if all non-scriptural elements are excluded in 2 Timothy, then, by analogy, Scripture would logically have to be excluded in Ephesians. It is far more reasonable to recognize that the absence of one or more elements in one passage does not mean that they are nonexistent. The Church and Scripture are both equally necessary and important for teaching.
[14] But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, (Tradition)
knowing from whom you learned it (Magisterium) or Teaching Authority
[15] and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings which are able to instruct you for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. (Scriptures)
[16] All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
[17] that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
Note verse 14-15. It admonishes Timothy to do three things:
1) Remember what you have learned and firmly believed (Tradition)
2) Know from whom you learned it (Magisterium)
3) Know you have the Scriptures
The Bible on St. Paul's list comes in third, not first. He actually gives here the traditional Catholic teaching on the three sources of sound teaching.
In verse 15 he goes into an excursus on the Bible. This brief excursus emphasizes the value of the Bible and recommends a fourfold method of exegesis. This verse was used in the pre-Reformation Church as a proof text for the Quadriga which was the standard Catholic approach to the Bible. The Quadriga method used the following four categories:
Literal/Literary (teaching) - the text as it is written
Analogical (reproof) - matters of faith
Anagogical (correction) - matters of hope/prophecy
Moral (training in righteousness) - matters of charity
The analogical, anagogical and moral senses of the Bible were known collectively as the spiritual senses, still taught today.
The 'reformers' rejected the BIBLICAL fourfold method of exegesis in favor of a more literal approach, and ignored 2 Tim 3:16!!!
2 Tim. 3:17 - Paul's reference to the "man of God" who may be complete refers to a clergyman, not a layman. It is an instruction to a bishop of the Church. So, although they use it to prove their case, the passage is not even relevant to most of the faithful.
(2 Tim. 3:16–17).
This passage doesn’t teach formal sufficiency, which excludes a binding, authoritative role for Tradition and Church. Protestants extrapolate onto the text what isn’t there. If we look at the overall context of this passage, we can see that Paul makes reference to oral Tradition three times (cf. 2 Tim. 1:13–14; 2:2; 3:14). And to use an analogy, let’s examine a similar passage:
(Ephesians. 4:11–15).
If 2 Timothy 3 proves the sole sufficiency of Scripture, then, by analogy, Ephesians 4 would likewise prove the sufficiency of pastors and teachers for the attainment of Christian perfection. In Ephesians 4, the C.hristian believer is equipped, built up, brought into unity and mature manhood, and even preserved from doctrinal confusion by means of the teaching function of the Church. This is a far stronger statement of the perfecting of the saints than 2 Timothy 3, yet it does not even mention Scripture.
So if all non-scriptural elements are excluded in 2 Timothy, then, by analogy, Scripture would logically have to be excluded in Ephesians. It is far more reasonable to recognize that the absence of one or more elements in one passage does not mean that they are nonexistent. The Church and Scripture are both equally necessary and important for teaching.
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You miss the point. It is not anti authority . Obeying the authority of God not seen is the authority the true of the Holy Spirit not seen. The one teaching master. We are to call no man on earth good teaching master. Only God not seen is good One is our teaching master in heaven. We are all brothers and sisters
Not a representitive authority that was in place temporally before the time of the first century refomantion. When their were kings in Israel . Remember that which God turned the unbeliever Jew over to do what they should not for a time. It came about when the unbleiving Jew had refused to harken unto the word of God as it is written. They had becomes jealous of all the surrounding Pagan nations that walked by sight, demanding God give them a visual King.
God gave them over to do what they should not. He informed Samael the judge .It is not you seen they reject you as their King but they reject me as their King of kings and Lord of lords . The government of God returned back to the times of judges as men who walk by faith looking to the eternal not seen and not the temporal as that seen.
The fifteenth century refomation is a mirror image to the first century refomation. Using sola scriptura (as it is written) the reforming key that the gates of hell could never prevail against
Note …(purple in parenthesis) my added comments
Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying,(using the things seen the temporal to give us the unseen spiritual understanding, the eternal) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.Hebrew 9:6-10
Again Catholicism simply refuses to worship our invisible eternal King of kings, by faith ,But rather look the temporal (Poes) as that seen walking by sight.
I would think we need the prescription the doctor of our soul has prescribed in order to understand the spiritual understanding hid in parables.
While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen "are temporal"; but the things which are not seen "are eternal".2 Corinthians 4:18
Which teaching master will you serve today , of men seen or God not seen?
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2 Timothy 3
[14] But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, (Tradition of God )as God's interpretation or revelation to us knowing from whom you learned it (the Holy Spirit ) our Teaching Authority.
First things first. We do not know Christ after the private revelations as interpretations of men. Scripture God's word is complete . No laws missing by which we could know him more adequately.
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
We abide in the Holy Spirit the promised teaching authority .He teaches us to beware of those who would seduce us the beleive the lie saying we need a mans seen called fathers to teach us , We do not abide in men as if they were divine
6 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Traditions of the Catholic fathers as a law of the father (law of men) II. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TRADITION AND SACRED SCRIPTURE
One common source. . .
#80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal."40 Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".41
Private tradition of men as a Private Revelation or interpretation of the Catholic fathers
Pope Urban VIII on Private Revelation. His Holiness, Pope Urban VIII stated: Pope Urban VIII, 1623-1644: "In cases which concern private revelations, it is better to believe than not believe, for if you believe, and it is proven true, you will be happy that you have believed, because our Holy Mother asked it. If you believe and it shall be proven false, you will receive all blessings as if it had been true, because you believed it to be true."
[14] But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have firmly believed, (Tradition of God )as God's interpretation or revelation to us knowing from whom you learned it (the Holy Spirit ) our Teaching Authority.
First things first. We do not know Christ after the private revelations as interpretations of men. Scripture God's word is complete . No laws missing by which we could know him more adequately.
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
We abide in the Holy Spirit the promised teaching authority .He teaches us to beware of those who would seduce us the beleive the lie saying we need a mans seen called fathers to teach us , We do not abide in men as if they were divine
6 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Traditions of the Catholic fathers as a law of the father (law of men) II. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN TRADITION AND SACRED SCRIPTURE
One common source. . .
#80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal."40 Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age".41
Private tradition of men as a Private Revelation or interpretation of the Catholic fathers
Pope Urban VIII on Private Revelation. His Holiness, Pope Urban VIII stated: Pope Urban VIII, 1623-1644: "In cases which concern private revelations, it is better to believe than not believe, for if you believe, and it is proven true, you will be happy that you have believed, because our Holy Mother asked it. If you believe and it shall be proven false, you will receive all blessings as if it had been true, because you believed it to be true."
Eucharistic liturgy in respect to Catholicism refuses to believe God and Peter who confirmed it when he said ; to whom shall we go you have the words (not flesh of eternal life) the flesh profits for nothing it is the unseen Spirit that quickens our soul .
Christ said to them. What if the Son of man disappears out of sight. How could you then drink his literal blood and eat his literal flesh?
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth "nothing": the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.John 6:62- 63
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the "words" of eternal life.John 6:68
Throughout the old testament we are informed the lifeless, spiritless blood must be poured out so it can return to the dust from where it was taken ,Do not eat the lifeless spiritless blood that shows spirit life was given as a living sacrifice.
Because the Catholic must walk by sight as in out of sight out of mind (no faith) they simply makes the parable eat my flesh, drink my blood as to the spiritual understanding without effect .The Jehovah witnesses also do in the opposite way, by looking at the literal as that seen the temporal And not doing the work required in parables (2 Corinthians 4:18)
The lord gives us a parable to help us understand the spiritual meaning hid from the lost . It is filled with metaphors to represent the gospel. The water of the well of Bethlehem the house of bread to represent his flesh for one . The gate to represent Christ the door by which we enter fellowship . It is why he did not drink , it pointed to Christ who did drink the cup of wrath the gospel of our salvation .
It would seem that David had a thirst for hearing the gospel . The Holy spirit quenched it
And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate! And the three brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: but David would not drink of it, but poured it out to the Lord. And said, My God forbid it me, that I should do this thing: shall I drink the blood of these men that have put their lives in jeopardy? for with the jeopardy of their lives they brought it. Therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mightiest. 2 Samuel23:14-17
To "drink blood' as it relates to men indicates spirit life was given in jeapordy to ones own spirit, as a living sacrifice, in view of the mercy of God
We are blessed with a double portion in 1 chronicles 11:18-19
Christ said to them. What if the Son of man disappears out of sight. How could you then drink his literal blood and eat his literal flesh?
What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth "nothing": the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.John 6:62- 63
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the "words" of eternal life.John 6:68
Throughout the old testament we are informed the lifeless, spiritless blood must be poured out so it can return to the dust from where it was taken ,Do not eat the lifeless spiritless blood that shows spirit life was given as a living sacrifice.
Because the Catholic must walk by sight as in out of sight out of mind (no faith) they simply makes the parable eat my flesh, drink my blood as to the spiritual understanding without effect .The Jehovah witnesses also do in the opposite way, by looking at the literal as that seen the temporal And not doing the work required in parables (2 Corinthians 4:18)
The lord gives us a parable to help us understand the spiritual meaning hid from the lost . It is filled with metaphors to represent the gospel. The water of the well of Bethlehem the house of bread to represent his flesh for one . The gate to represent Christ the door by which we enter fellowship . It is why he did not drink , it pointed to Christ who did drink the cup of wrath the gospel of our salvation .
It would seem that David had a thirst for hearing the gospel . The Holy spirit quenched it
And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate! And the three brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: but David would not drink of it, but poured it out to the Lord. And said, My God forbid it me, that I should do this thing: shall I drink the blood of these men that have put their lives in jeopardy? for with the jeopardy of their lives they brought it. Therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mightiest. 2 Samuel23:14-17
To "drink blood' as it relates to men indicates spirit life was given in jeapordy to ones own spirit, as a living sacrifice, in view of the mercy of God
We are blessed with a double portion in 1 chronicles 11:18-19