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Let me speak more plainly, what is written is just the tip of the iceberg about him. the antecedent is liken to a grain sand...
What is the "yoke" of Messiah?
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If it's just believing then there's no yoke at all. Just believing is a terrible way to present the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Vines says, Yoke....of submission to authority, Mat 11:29, 30, of Christ's "yoke," not simply imparted by Him but shared with Him;
"Take my yoke and learn from me" implies action to be a disciple of Christ. The word is also used in the sense of "coupling two things together." An oxen's yoke was used for two Oxen to pull a heavy load or plow. The implication is far more than just believing. It means you have to bear your cross and Christ helps you bear it.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Christ made it rather clear in verse 16 concerning believing!!
Basically, we hear the Gospel and either believe it or not. It really is that simple!!
My response was perfectly in accordance with what Jesus said. He says to take His yoke upon us and learn of Him.
This also frulfills the prophecy for those who hear Him that we will be taught of God. Do not make something I said something I did not. All too many to this with this very quote alone.
a good way to train a young ox is to yoke them with an ox who already knows what he is doing.
the established ox does the real work, bearing the load, while the young one simply learns to walk straight alongside him, to recognize instruction, and to become accustomed to the harness.
you can train new oxen without any experienced, stronger ox, but it takes much longer to produce good results - because they have no one to learn from in that case but their human master, a different creature with a different language and manner. creatures understand those of their own kind better than those of other kinds.
in either case it requires patience, mercy and kindness to do well
Nothing to do with the yoke! Just believing has never and will never save anyone.
"Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
Well believing in the catholic church will certainly not save you from eternal condemnation. Scripture does confirm that it is believing the word of God that produces the faith that makes Gods grace our salvation.
Of course you have no testimony of salvation so you have no basis on which to form a correct reply.
Grace is not received through sacraments.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The illustrious notuptome said,
Typical reply from a 'holier than thou,' self-righteous, misled, judgmental (Calvinist?) Protestant.
Judge and condemn. You build your sorry self up by tearing your own brothers and sisters down.
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
I don't believe a whole lot in any church, I know who I believe in. Too many of them are a reflection of people like you!
Typical reply from a 'holier than thou,' self-righteous, misled, judgmental (Calvinist?) Protestant.
Judge and condemn. You build your sorry self up by tearing your own brothers and sisters down.
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
I don't believe a whole lot in any church, I know who I believe in. Too many of them are a reflection of people like you!
You should be concerned that you do not have a testimony of when and how you were saved.
You are the one being holier than thou in this scenario. You are the one depending on self righteousness not me. I rely upon the righteousness of Christ my Savior.
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I'm not required to give you my testimony to prove anything to you. You question my salvation because I stand up for Catholics. If you can't tell I'm a child of God you're nothing!
You ignored the scripture I presented because you cannot yet you must deny it.
As they say in Texas all hat and no cattle.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Instead of beating around the bush with your answers, you could of just said what you meant by we all seem to need a explaination infront of us. forget it I'm not interested your being Evasive.
Come unto Me (is meant by Jesus to reveal Himself as the Giver of Salvation), all you who labor and are heavy laden (trying to earn Salvation by works), and I will give you rest (this "rest" can only be found by placing one's Faith in Christ and what He has done for us at the Cross [Gal. 5:1-6]).
Take My yoke upon you (the "yoke" of the "Cross" [Lk. 9:23]), and learn of Me (learn of His Sacrifice [Rom. 6:3-5]); for I am meek and lowly in heart (the only thing that our Lord Personally said of Himself): and ye shall find rest unto your souls (the soul can find rest only in the Cross).
For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light (what He requires of us is very little, just to have Faith in Him, and His Sacrificial Atoning Work). Matthew 11:28-30
Let Jesus pull the load!
JSM
Take My yoke upon you (the "yoke" of the "Cross" [Lk. 9:23]), and learn of Me (learn of His Sacrifice [Rom. 6:3-5]); for I am meek and lowly in heart (the only thing that our Lord Personally said of Himself): and ye shall find rest unto your souls (the soul can find rest only in the Cross).
For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light (what He requires of us is very little, just to have Faith in Him, and His Sacrificial Atoning Work). Matthew 11:28-30
Let Jesus pull the load!
JSM
The difference being we are human compared to angels rejecting God. We live by faith which is the definition of believing in something we have never seen first hand. We have seen bits and pieces and some maybe have witnessed things we know only God could do, but we are accepting this idea of God through a Bible that is 4th hand interpretation. The reality is that much scripture is missing from us and the scripture we have we have to accept by faith. Basically, belief is what we absolutely have!!
The yoke of Christ has to do with the work of Christ's labor of love (work of his faith) who works in us as Emnamuel ,(God with us) to both will and do the good pleasure of the father not seen . (imputed righteousness)
The same faith of Christ that worked in Abraham and by His work of faith, his faith was made complete
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, "Abraham believed God", and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God .James 2: 22-23
The faith of Christ that works in us is the gift of God,...not of our owns selves lest any boast as if it was of Abraham or Rehab and not the mutual faith of Christ which works mutually in all who have been given the gift of faith.
The same faith of Christ that worked in Abraham and by His work of faith, his faith was made complete
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, "Abraham believed God", and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God .James 2: 22-23
The faith of Christ that works in us is the gift of God,...not of our owns selves lest any boast as if it was of Abraham or Rehab and not the mutual faith of Christ which works mutually in all who have been given the gift of faith.
a good way to train a young ox is to yoke them with an ox who already knows what he is doing.
the established ox does the real work, bearing the load, while the young one simply learns to walk straight alongside him, to recognize instruction, and to become accustomed to the harness.
you can train new oxen without any experienced, stronger ox, but it takes much longer to produce good results - because they have no one to learn from in that case but their human master, a different creature with a different language and manner. creatures understand those of their own kind better than those of other kinds.
in either case it requires patience, mercy and kindness to do well
That is a very good and true analogy. I used to work and train work horses years ago and It works the same way.
But something else to consider. If you harness a young learning horse, to an older, mean, lazy horse which doesn't listen and follow commands, something that is essential in the works these horses do, then that young horse will also learn to be mean, lazy and disobedient.
Paul spoke of this very same thing regarding a "yoke".
2 Cor. 6:
14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
I think this is why Jesus said to take "HIS" Yoke upon us, and no other.