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Hi JC_luvs_me; The ones that come to my mind right away would be, John 8: 42-47.
If your not sure what Christ means; ask yourself this simple question; Who is the First recorded murderer in God's Word?
Also if Eve bore Cain, how exactly did a snake wholey seduce 2 human beings?
Yourself as a child of God, could you even contemplate murdering someone? We just don't think like those people do.
Love and Peace Forever in CHRIST!!!
If your not sure what Christ means; ask yourself this simple question; Who is the First recorded murderer in God's Word?
Also if Eve bore Cain, how exactly did a snake wholey seduce 2 human beings?
Yourself as a child of God, could you even contemplate murdering someone? We just don't think like those people do.
Love and Peace Forever in CHRIST!!!
J
hmm if u dont mind sir Glowing what context on that verse Jn 8:42 related from the existing of Satan? I know God has no beginning and end...but Satan has a beginning and end..i just want to add other question,, aside from verses do u have any theological thinking about this? because we know the first thing that God created b4 Adam and Eve Is light and the earth has no shape at all...very confusing really...^.^
Satan (Lucifer) was an angel who had fallin from heaven, due to disobedience. He was the Angel that was JUST below the Authority of Jesus Christ the Lord. He was the most brilliant Angel full of wisdom more so then the others.. Eventually Iniquity got the best of him. He became full of pride. Rebelled against Jesus.. Talks about this mainly in Ezekiel 28, & Isaiah 14.. There are other books that explain it, but those are the main things on Satan. Of course Jesus explains him too in Gospels but he mainly talks about his character.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMw0-736vqE&feature=related This Video will Teach you ALL about Lucifer(Satan). - God Bless :]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMw0-736vqE&feature=related This Video will Teach you ALL about Lucifer(Satan). - God Bless :]
Well no; i have absolutly NO theological thinking whatsoever on anything, i just know what i heard in Gods Word. One thing i know that i heard in His Word, is that in His Plan, His strongest children come forth at the end, but as things are, so do the enimies.
For most of my life i have not comprehended much beyond the basics of Christianity that is taught in these Christian religions; But anytime you have a valid question for them, they have some sweet double talking lawyer style about them, where they make you feel better, but never actually answer your question.
I have just in the last few days, been reading The Book of Enoch, Our Great Great x ? Grandfather Enoch, I think if you have been reading your Bible, and are puzzeled by some of these things, That this book of Enoch would help you better than i can, as it is obviously a part of God's Word, no matter who says what. It will even give you the name of that so called snake that wholely seduced Eve, The Mother of ALL living.
I hope this helps you a bit, and though i thank you for your respect in calling me sir, as i know you are trying to respect an elder, i'm just another sinner, that has much respect for you, knowing from Gods Word, that you are stronger than I.
Love and Peace Forever in CHRIST!!!
For most of my life i have not comprehended much beyond the basics of Christianity that is taught in these Christian religions; But anytime you have a valid question for them, they have some sweet double talking lawyer style about them, where they make you feel better, but never actually answer your question.
I have just in the last few days, been reading The Book of Enoch, Our Great Great x ? Grandfather Enoch, I think if you have been reading your Bible, and are puzzeled by some of these things, That this book of Enoch would help you better than i can, as it is obviously a part of God's Word, no matter who says what. It will even give you the name of that so called snake that wholely seduced Eve, The Mother of ALL living.
I hope this helps you a bit, and though i thank you for your respect in calling me sir, as i know you are trying to respect an elder, i'm just another sinner, that has much respect for you, knowing from Gods Word, that you are stronger than I.
Love and Peace Forever in CHRIST!!!
C
Here is something that might understand my friends who the devil is in my interpretation. I have a thread that says "know your enemy to defeat you enemy" and this is the same info
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The earth was form without void or shape, in tell the wicked one was thrown into the earth and made the shape.
Lucifer was in charge of the creations on earth and thought likely of himself. But then thrown down from heaven, so he was already on earth at the time when it was void and then when he went up to heaven to claim himself high, he was thrown and everything on earth was sucked in.
There was dinosaurs and other creatures before man was made. Scientist say that there was a comet that hit the earth that wiped them out. Well that was Lucifer when he tried to exalt himself by tell GOD this and went to heaven (before he was in charge of the thing on earth so he was on earth) and he shot out of heaven like lightning, Luke 10:18 “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” So it was not a comet but Lucifer and the angel with him that hit the earth.
For Lucifer was not ugly like red with horns and a pitchfork but beauty and deceiving, Ezekiel 28:12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.”
Lucifer was also the angel of music for I am not saying music is bad, but where it came from was Lucifer. I like music and not all music is bad but the origin came from Lucifer and also music can be addicting and wanting just as the world would want you to have. So he was the head ministry of music. Not saying he is anything good for he is wicked and evil in his ways and woe to those who follow him to hell at the end.
Ezekiel 28:13 “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.” Understand what this means and also understand he was created by the most high, so he cannot be what he came from.
Ezekiel 28:14-15 “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.5 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” He was not great when he was coming into his thinking skills, for he had pride over himself and carried to far (read) Luke 12:45-46 “But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.” Seriously when the Lucifer had a job that was a great position, he ruins it. Now today as he was from the beginning, is trying to bring people to hell with him.
You have the messenger which was Gabriel, and Michael the angel of war.
Revelations 12:7-9 “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
The devil is jealous of us man because GOD loves them more than anything in creation.
Proverbs 12:9 “He that is despised, and hath a servant, is better than he that honoureth himself, and lacketh bread.”
Did this help or the opposite?
comment........
GOD bless my friends
Genesis 1
1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The earth was form without void or shape, in tell the wicked one was thrown into the earth and made the shape.
Lucifer was in charge of the creations on earth and thought likely of himself. But then thrown down from heaven, so he was already on earth at the time when it was void and then when he went up to heaven to claim himself high, he was thrown and everything on earth was sucked in.
There was dinosaurs and other creatures before man was made. Scientist say that there was a comet that hit the earth that wiped them out. Well that was Lucifer when he tried to exalt himself by tell GOD this and went to heaven (before he was in charge of the thing on earth so he was on earth) and he shot out of heaven like lightning, Luke 10:18 “And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.” So it was not a comet but Lucifer and the angel with him that hit the earth.
For Lucifer was not ugly like red with horns and a pitchfork but beauty and deceiving, Ezekiel 28:12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.”
Lucifer was also the angel of music for I am not saying music is bad, but where it came from was Lucifer. I like music and not all music is bad but the origin came from Lucifer and also music can be addicting and wanting just as the world would want you to have. So he was the head ministry of music. Not saying he is anything good for he is wicked and evil in his ways and woe to those who follow him to hell at the end.
Ezekiel 28:13 “Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.” Understand what this means and also understand he was created by the most high, so he cannot be what he came from.
Ezekiel 28:14-15 “Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.5 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.” He was not great when he was coming into his thinking skills, for he had pride over himself and carried to far (read) Luke 12:45-46 “But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
46The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.” Seriously when the Lucifer had a job that was a great position, he ruins it. Now today as he was from the beginning, is trying to bring people to hell with him.
You have the messenger which was Gabriel, and Michael the angel of war.
Revelations 12:7-9 “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
The devil is jealous of us man because GOD loves them more than anything in creation.
Proverbs 12:9 “He that is despised, and hath a servant, is better than he that honoureth himself, and lacketh bread.”
Did this help or the opposite?
comment........
GOD bless my friends
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J
Very Interesting Sir 4God words idont like to call u crazy...sorry hehe,,
therefore Satan already on earth even it is void and has no shape ...
what happened to the 1/3 of angels that has been thrown down with satan ..where they are?
and the dinosaurs are alive until adam and eve created or they are already dead? ^.|^
therefore Satan already on earth even it is void and has no shape ...
what happened to the 1/3 of angels that has been thrown down with satan ..where they are?
and the dinosaurs are alive until adam and eve created or they are already dead? ^.|^
I
I think to understand Satan, we must get over any precontrieved ideas about him. We must also not shape God into our image, but let the truth of the Bible take precedence over firmly held traditions.
I think that we must come to an understanding that the world as we know it was NOT created in 7 literal days. For me, proof of this is found in the 7th day. It never ended with a "thus the evening and the morning were the seventh day." We also notice that God had made them male and female on day six. Again, this is not a literal day but more like an age. To be more exact, this was the age of the natural man.
When day or age 7 arrives, God blesses this day and rests in it. We also notice something peculiar with the story that gives us clues on it's true intent.
Genesis 2:4-7
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
The first thing we notice is that it is no longer God here, but the LORD God. This is now the day that He creates. It also talks about plants and herbs. Didn't God make plants and herbs on day three? This is SYMBOLIC, but more on that later. Also, we notice that the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth. Instead, A MIST FROM THE GROUND WATERED THE WHOLE FACE OF THE EARTH. The LORD God had not poured His Spirit or Word upon the natural man. Man's way of explaining things at this time was based off of earthly things. Hence the paganism of today. It was the spirit of the earth that "watered" the ground. This was Satans kingdom.
Another thing we notice is that there WAS NOT A MAN TO TILL THE GROUND. If the Adam FORMED on this day was the only man, then why add anything else? He was made to be sanctified from the natural man to bring them into the correct knowledge of God.
Romans 5:12-14
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
By one man sin entered into the world. Is this the Adam we know? How? It then goes on to say that until the law SIN WAS IN THE WORLD. On day 6, man did not recieve a law from the LORD God. They were told to eat of every tree. Why? Because sin is not imputed when there is no law. Sin was dead! It had no power!
The Adam formed or in the likeness of the natural man on day 7 was sanctified. He was set apart, and thus given a COMMANDMENT. Two trees; one of life, the other, the knowledge of good and evil. What were they??
Romans 7:5-14
5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
The tree of life is none other than the Spirit; the word of God. But the knowlege of sin came by the letter of the law! We must remember that Adam is in the similitude of Jesus. Adam's Job was to "till the ground". Jesus does exactly that.
Matthew 9:35-38
35And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
36But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.
37Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; 38Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
1John 4:4-6
4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Satan is indeed, the spirit of error.
I think that we must come to an understanding that the world as we know it was NOT created in 7 literal days. For me, proof of this is found in the 7th day. It never ended with a "thus the evening and the morning were the seventh day." We also notice that God had made them male and female on day six. Again, this is not a literal day but more like an age. To be more exact, this was the age of the natural man.
When day or age 7 arrives, God blesses this day and rests in it. We also notice something peculiar with the story that gives us clues on it's true intent.
Genesis 2:4-7
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
The first thing we notice is that it is no longer God here, but the LORD God. This is now the day that He creates. It also talks about plants and herbs. Didn't God make plants and herbs on day three? This is SYMBOLIC, but more on that later. Also, we notice that the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth. Instead, A MIST FROM THE GROUND WATERED THE WHOLE FACE OF THE EARTH. The LORD God had not poured His Spirit or Word upon the natural man. Man's way of explaining things at this time was based off of earthly things. Hence the paganism of today. It was the spirit of the earth that "watered" the ground. This was Satans kingdom.
Another thing we notice is that there WAS NOT A MAN TO TILL THE GROUND. If the Adam FORMED on this day was the only man, then why add anything else? He was made to be sanctified from the natural man to bring them into the correct knowledge of God.
Romans 5:12-14
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
By one man sin entered into the world. Is this the Adam we know? How? It then goes on to say that until the law SIN WAS IN THE WORLD. On day 6, man did not recieve a law from the LORD God. They were told to eat of every tree. Why? Because sin is not imputed when there is no law. Sin was dead! It had no power!
The Adam formed or in the likeness of the natural man on day 7 was sanctified. He was set apart, and thus given a COMMANDMENT. Two trees; one of life, the other, the knowledge of good and evil. What were they??
Romans 7:5-14
5For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful. 14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
The tree of life is none other than the Spirit; the word of God. But the knowlege of sin came by the letter of the law! We must remember that Adam is in the similitude of Jesus. Adam's Job was to "till the ground". Jesus does exactly that.
Matthew 9:35-38
35And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
36But when he saw the multitudes, he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted, and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.
37Then saith he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plenteous, but the labourers are few; 38Pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
1John 4:4-6
4Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Satan is indeed, the spirit of error.
J
Hello Sir Glowing...
Anyways thanks for the time that u been replying for my questionable question..i didn't read it yet about enoch, i will read that maybe on my solitude time i guess..well we are sinners but we are not living for it....and i would be liking to respect all respective persons here..
Godbless and your Family...
Anyways thanks for the time that u been replying for my questionable question..i didn't read it yet about enoch, i will read that maybe on my solitude time i guess..well we are sinners but we are not living for it....and i would be liking to respect all respective persons here..
Godbless and your Family...
M
Proverbs 16:4
The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil
The wicked would include Satan. We need to understand that without Satan and his minions...demons, people would not have a CHOICE to obey and love God. Satan is the one that presented CHOICE and so, free-will to man. God provided it from the beginning, but there had to be a REASON to impliment that choosing.
Maggie
The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil
The wicked would include Satan. We need to understand that without Satan and his minions...demons, people would not have a CHOICE to obey and love God. Satan is the one that presented CHOICE and so, free-will to man. God provided it from the beginning, but there had to be a REASON to impliment that choosing.
Maggie
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Now I am confused. So satan hated man before we were around? I always knew that he was jealous of us because GOD loved us so and he thought we weren't deserving of that love but then why in Genesis is he so angry at us or Adam and Eve, rather? That's what I thought you meant JC_luvs_me. Maybe I am wrong.
M
OK...here goes: Satan hates us because God loves us. Satan WANTED to be God and sit on the throne. But as Believers, it is WE that will sit on the throne as joint heirs WITH Christ. So Satan is royally ticked that WE get the spot that HE wanted. So he did everything in his power to STOP the coming of Christ because if Christ could not come, could not grow up and step into His divinity, shed His blood, die and arise, WE would never get to be in the presence of the Father, sitting at His right hand, RULING with Him.
Yeah...he was TOTALLY JEALOUS!
Maggie
Yeah...he was TOTALLY JEALOUS!
Maggie