IS MARY THE WOMAN IN REVELATION CHAPTER 12?

[Ahwatukee]

The 12 apostle were man's, the apostle No 13, Paul was a man, but bible call It a bride.

Jesus is groom, a man, If Israel a man, what happen in the wedding day, Jesus married a man?

Jesus not gay.

The word bride is just another designation figuratively representing the church Jackson, just like Israel is referred to as God's wife.

"For your Maker is your husband-- the LORD Almighty is his name-- the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth." - Isa.54:5

He's comparing our relationship to Him like that of a bridegroom and bride.

 

[garee]

The church is also have milions member but we call under one name a church. That is not my question. The church also call a bride and a bride is woman, Jesus is a groom a groom is a man.

In other word, a group of believer is a bride, women

144000 jews believer is a group of believer, must be bride, woman,

Man child is not fit for 144000 jews believer,

So I believe man child is not refer for 144000 jews believer.

Not in respect to the old creation male and female.

The man child is Christ the spiritual seed .Paul as a surrogate mother as in birth pain worked planting the incorruptible seed with Timothy. God causes the spiritual growth. Paul as a surrogate mother espouses Timothy as the chaste virgin bride the church .The new creature appearing in the new incorruptible bodies (nether male nor female) The Sun and moon the temporal time keepers under her feet. The glory of the Lord as the eternal light

The bride of Christ can never be reconciled by the old creation male and female . The new Jerusalem prepared as the chaste virgin bride of Christ is the mother of us all.

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,


2 Corinthians 11:2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

The 144000 is a metaphor as a unknown for the whole body of Christ all of the saints .Old testament as well as new.

 

[Jackson123]

Not in respect to the old creation male and female.

The man child is Christ the spiritual seed .Paul as a surrogate mother as in birth pain worked planting the incorruptible seed with Timothy. God causes the spiritual growth. Paul as a surrogate mother espouses Timothy as the chaste virgin bride the church .The new creature appearing in the new incorruptible bodies (nether male nor female) The Sun and moon the temporal time keepers under her feet. The glory of the Lord as the eternal light

The bride of Christ can never be reconciled by the old creation male and female . The new Jerusalem prepared as the chaste virgin bride of Christ is the mother of us all.

Galatians 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,


2 Corinthians 11:2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

The 144000 is a metaphor as a unknown for the whole body of Christ all of the saints .Old testament as well as new.

So the new creation is a bride. It is figurative and Paul is also new creation and bride.

I know bride mean woman is also figurative not physical meaning.

 

[Jackson123]

The word bride is just another designation figuratively representing the church Jackson, just like Israel is referred to as God's wife.

"For your Maker is your husband-- the LORD Almighty is his name-- the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth." - Isa.54:5

He's comparing our relationship to Him like that of a bridegroom and bride.

Yes bride is figurative, man child is also figurative. But figurative man not refer to bride.

 

[garee]

So the new creation is a bride. It is figurative and Paul is also new creation and bride.

I know bride mean woman is also figurative not physical meaning.

That is how I understand that parable as a mystery made known to the believers.

 

[Jackson123]

That is how I understand that parable as a mystery made known to the believers.

Yes I agree. Bride is new creation It doesn't matter is he jews race or gentile.

New creation gentile is also spiritual jews. Most of The early church member was jews and they Will called bride in the wedding day of the lamb.

 

[garee]

Yes I agree. Bride is new creation It doesn't matter is he jews race or gentile.

New creation gentile is also spiritual jews. Most of The early church member was jews and they Will called bride in the wedding day of the lamb.

I would agree. The new name he promised in Isaiah 62 to name his chaste virgin bride... he named Christian. She is made up of all the nations of the world to include the born Jews as inward Jews.

The name Christian when defined and no other meaning is added ,simply means residents of the city of Christ, the heavenly. Zion or the heavenly new Jerusalem prepared as his bride the church.

The "ian" as the suffix denotes resisdents of a city name after it founder, Like the word Corinthians residents of that city called Corinth named after its founder Corinthos.

Or like Ephesians as to the residents named after its founder, Ephesus. Or one more example the Nicolaitan's residents of that sect named after Nicolaus its founder.

Christian is another word that has seemed to lose its significance to compare scripture to scripture.

 

[Jackson123]

I would agree. The new name he promised in Isaiah 62 to name his chaste virgin bride... he named Christian. She is made up of all the nations of the world to include the born Jews as inward Jews.

The name Christian when defined and no other meaning is added ,simply means residents of the city of Christ, the heavenly. Zion or the heavenly new Jerusalem prepared as his bride the church.

The "ian" as the suffix denotes resisdents of a city name after it founder, Like the word Corinthians residents of that city called Corinth named after its founder Corinthos.

Or like Ephesians as to the residents named after its founder, Ephesus. Or one more example the Nicolaitan's residents of that sect named after Nicolaus its founder.

Christian is another word that has seemed to lose its significance to compare scripture to scripture.

Yep, and I believe tha woman in rev 12 is NT and OT Christian.

If your definition Christian mean resident of the city of Christ, all the OT saint and NT saint are resident of that city.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Yes bride is figurative, man child is also figurative. But figurative man not refer to bride.

Well, actually it does, because the church is not a literal bride, but the meaning is referring to the church being one with Christ. It is along the same idea as God referring to Israel committing adultery against Him. It's not talking about literal physical adultery, but spiritual, as in worshiping other gods.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Yep, and I believe tha woman in rev 12 is NT and OT Christian.

If your definition Christian mean resident of the city of Christ, all the OT saint and NT saint are resident of that city.

The definition of Christian is one who believes in Christ and is apart of the church. Jesus said, "I will build my church and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." The words "I will build" are in the future tense, which would mean that the church had not yet been built.

The woman is neither of those you listed above, but as I have presented it to you, Gen.37:9-10 identifies the woman as being the nation Israel.

 

[jameen]

If Jesus is the man child, when did Christ was caught up unto God, and to his throne?

 

[Jackson123]

Well, actually it does, because the church is not a literal bride, but the meaning is referring to the church being one with Christ. It is along the same idea as God referring to Israel committing adultery against Him. It's not talking about literal physical adultery, but spiritual, as in worshiping other gods.

I believe new creation is bride, Will be meet with groom/ Christ

Bride ~ new creation ~ woman

Groom~ Christ ~ man

Bride ~ woman not man so man child must be Christ.

 

[Jackson123]

If Jesus is the man child, when did Christ was caught up unto God, and to his throne?

Jesus was cought to heaven 40 days after his resurrection.

 

[Jackson123]

The definition of Christian is one who believes in Christ and is apart of the church. Jesus said, "I will build my church and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." The words "I will build" are in the future tense, which would mean that the church had not yet been built.

The woman is neither of those you listed above, but as I have presented it to you, Gen.37:9-10 identifies the woman as being the nation Israel.

The bride is woman isn't It?

 

[garee]

Yep, and I believe tha woman in rev 12 is NT and OT Christian.

If your definition Christian mean resident of the city of Christ, all the OT saint and NT saint are resident of that city.

Its something I became interested in years ago on a Catholic Protestant board trying to understand the difference between Catholicism and Christianity. Seeing there city by which they identify is Rome as those who must walk by sight as if the city of Christ prepared as the bride of Christ came by observation.

Attaching the suffix "ian" unto a person name is a rule for identifying people by place names. The meaning of the word Christian without any other meaning attached is "residence of the city of Christ" named after her founder, Christ. She is also called the new heavenly Jerusalem or Zion, the city prepared as the bride of Christ

When used properly it helps us to understand why God named His virgin bride, Christian.according to His promise of calling her a new name Previously calling her born again Israel or a inward Jew not pertaining to what the eyes see....the flesh.

It does not take away that a Christian is one who believes in Christ and is a part of the church but establishes it. She who is made up of many lively stones as the spiritual house of God has been being built up from the first born again believer . Abel found favor. His blood cries out from the ground. In that sense as a witness is a member of His bride reigning with Christ.

 

[garee]

The bride is woman isn't It?

Yes she is identified as it would appear first in Genesis 3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed;(Christ) it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.Genesis 3:15

It is most likely why the father of lies approached the woman she represented mankind male and female as that seen. Adam was to represent Christ not seen . Because husbands are to defend bride the guilt fell on him. His heal was bruised for the iniquity of us all as His bride.

 

[Hevosmies]

Reading through this thread I think the correct answer is: We dont know.

 

[Ahwatukee]

If Jesus is the man child, when did Christ was caught up unto God, and to his throne?

Exactly Jameen! Jesus was not caught up to God. The word "harpazo" translated as "caught up" is defined as "force suddenly exercised, a snatching up." The Male Child is caught up to God's throne before the dragon/Satan can kill him. In regards to this, Jesus was killed, crucified, buried, resurrected and later ascended to God's right hand. Therefore, Jesus does not fit the criteria of the Male Child. The reason people believe that Jesus is the Male Child is because they are just repeating what they read and hear.

 

[Ahwatukee]

The bride is woman isn't It?

No! The woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars, is not the church. The last time the church is mentioned is at the very end of chapter 3, where Rev.4:1-2 is a prophetic allusion to the church being caught up and which is supported by the fact that the word "church" is never used again after this.

The woman is representing Israel and her Male Child that she gives birth to are the 144,000 who will acknowledge Jesus as their Messiah. This is the meaning of her figuratively giving birth, i.e., unbelieving Israel giving birth to 144,000 believing Israelites.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Jesus was cought to heaven 40 days after his resurrection.

No, Jesus was not "caught up" to heaven by the description of the word "harpazo!" Below is the definition of the word translated "caught up."

"harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force"

Now based on the definition of the word, was Jesus snatched up to God's throne? And keep in mind, the Male Child was caught up before the dragon/Satan could kill him. Is that what happened to Jesus? No! Jesus was killed/crucified, buried, resurrected and later ascended to the right hand of God. Use your head!