How was the Holy Spirit involved in creation?

[MattforJesus]

The Bible says that Jesus created all things.

The Spirit moved upon the face of the deep, and Jesus was conceived of the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in the saints.

The Father had to be involved in creation for He is the Father of spirits, and all things are of the Father.

All 3 would have to be involved in creation.

But in this manner all things are of the Father, and by the Lord Jesus Christ.

And Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God, and the firstborn among the creatures.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
All things were made by Him, and without Him there was not anything made that was made.

In the beginning was the plan of God to come in flesh, and that plan was with God before He laid down the foundation of the world, and that plan was God manifest in the flesh.
All things were made with the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and without that plan God would of not created anything that He created.

God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world, even though they were future events.

Jesus created all things as God, but all creation hinges on Him being the Savior of the world, who will judge both angels, and people.

The Bible says all things are of the Father, and all things by the Lord Jesus Christ for Him being the Savior is what makes creation successful.

But consider this.

Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, but where is the Son of God in this, for would it not be him that was conceived in flesh.

All things are of the Father, then how did the Spirit, and Jesus, partake in creation.

If Jesus created all things, and the one who saved us, then why is Jesus not our Father seeing He is the one who created people, and gave them salvation.

The Bible says the Father is above all, and through all, and in you all, so that would mean the Spirit, and Son, are not equal to the Father for He is above all.

How can all 3 persons of a trinity be an omnipresent Spirit for they would overlap each other.

If they say 3 persons in one God then it would take all 3 persons to make one God, and if they say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, then they are saying 3 Gods.

The Bible says but to us there is but one God, the Father, and in another place, one God, and Father of all, who is above all, and through you all, and in you all.

So the New Testament only attributes the Father as being God.

Isaiah 9 says the Son shall be called the everlasting Father.

In the Old Testament the Father said that He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them, and Jesus told Philip if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father, and the words that I speak are not My own, but the Father that dwells in Me, He does the works.

There is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

If the Son is called the everlasting Father, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, and there is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus, then how is Jesus sitting next to the Father on a throne of His own.

For there is only one throne in heaven, and if we have seen Jesus we have seen the Father, so why would the Father sit next to the Father as a visible image to the saints.

The Bible says that Jesus is the only Potentate, Ruler, but how can that be true if there is 3 persons of a trinity, and Jesus came to do the will of the Father, and said the Father is greater than Me.

Not 3 persons in one God, but the 3 relationships God has with His children designated by titles, but it is one God with no distinction of persons.

Father- parent of the saints.

Son- God's visible relationship to the saints, and God in visible activity.

Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints, and God in invisible activity.

Now it makes sense the Spirit moved in creation, the child Christ Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in the saints.

And all things are of the Father, and He is the greatest of all.

And Jesus is the creator of all things, who shall be called the everlasting Father, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.

And there is only one throne in heaven, God in the glorified body of the man Christ, and Jesus is the only visible manifestation of God we will see.

For there is only one God with no distinction of persons.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

The Bible says that Jesus created all things.

The Spirit moved upon the face of the deep, and Jesus was conceived of the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in the saints.

The Father had to be involved in creation for He is the Father of spirits, and all things are of the Father.

All 3 would have to be involved in creation.

But in this manner all things are of the Father, and by the Lord Jesus Christ.

And Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God, and the firstborn among the creatures.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
All things were made by Him, and without Him there was not anything made that was made.

In the beginning was the plan of God to come in flesh, and that plan was with God before He laid down the foundation of the world, and that plan was God manifest in the flesh.
All things were made with the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and without that plan God would of not created anything that He created.

God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world, even though they were future events.

Jesus created all things as God, but all creation hinges on Him being the Savior of the world, who will judge both angels, and people.

The Bible says all things are of the Father, and all things by the Lord Jesus Christ for Him being the Savior is what makes creation successful.

But consider this.

Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, but where is the Son of God in this, for would it not be him that was conceived in flesh.

All things are of the Father, then how did the Spirit, and Jesus, partake in creation.

If Jesus created all things, and the one who saved us, then why is Jesus not our Father seeing He is the one who created people, and gave them salvation.

The Bible says the Father is above all, and through all, and in you all, so that would mean the Spirit, and Son, are not equal to the Father for He is above all.

How can all 3 persons of a trinity be an omnipresent Spirit for they would overlap each other.

If they say 3 persons in one God then it would take all 3 persons to make one God, and if they say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, then they are saying 3 Gods.

The Bible says but to us there is but one God, the Father, and in another place, one God, and Father of all, who is above all, and through you all, and in you all.

So the New Testament only attributes the Father as being God.

Isaiah 9 says the Son shall be called the everlasting Father.

In the Old Testament the Father said that He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them, and Jesus told Philip if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father, and the words that I speak are not My own, but the Father that dwells in Me, He does the works.

There is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

If the Son is called the everlasting Father, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, and there is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus, then how is Jesus sitting next to the Father on a throne of His own.

For there is only one throne in heaven, and if we have seen Jesus we have seen the Father, so why would the Father sit next to the Father as a visible image to the saints.

The Bible says that Jesus is the only Potentate, Ruler, but how can that be true if there is 3 persons of a trinity, and Jesus came to do the will of the Father, and said the Father is greater than Me.

Not 3 persons in one God, but the 3 relationships God has with His children designated by titles, but it is one God with no distinction of persons.

Father- parent of the saints.

Son- God's visible relationship to the saints, and God in visible activity.

Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints, and God in invisible activity.

Now it makes sense the Spirit moved in creation, the child Christ Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in the saints.

And all things are of the Father, and He is the greatest of all.

And Jesus is the creator of all things, who shall be called the everlasting Father, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.

And there is only one throne in heaven, God in the glorified body of the man Christ, and Jesus is the only visible manifestation of God we will see.

For there is only one God with no distinction of persons.

I started out my reading thinking about hitting the 'informative' button, but the further I read I began to ask . . . Does this person believe in the Trinity?

Also a whole lot of stuff to shove into one post.

 

[Zmouth]

imilarly, we find in Job 33 verse 4:

“The Spirit of God has made me. And the breath of the Almighty gives me life."

That was spoken by Elihu, who was not one of the three that had appointment with Job (Job 2:11) whom the LORD referred unto as the one who spoke without knowledge when the LORD appeared unto Job as Elihu concluded speaking and asked Job,
"Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?"
Job 38:1-:2

To me that is like saying the HS is a person.

The Holy Spirit is considered as one of the three personages of the one God by trinitarians. While God is one, they are three separate and distinct personages, for the Father is not the Son who is not the Holy Spirit who is not the Father nor the Son, they all share the same nature and thus are considered one God.

Since light can only begat light, we consider that the expanse of finite space called heaven in Genesis 1:1 is a body of light. Thus we believe that the eternal God who is light, begot or rather brought forth into existence this body of light called heaven in Genesis 1:1.

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 5:26

Therefore the begotten one is referenced to as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world is a reference to that body of light since that which is begotten of the eternal would be eternal; except to be seperate from the eternal would be the beginning of its existence. Thus living thing anything which has a beginning could not be considered eternal because the eternal has no beginning of existence. So therefore we see the Son, as him who only hath immortality as written in the scriptures:

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; 1 Tim 6:16

However, the since the immortal Son is not the eternal Father it said the light was created since the immortal body of light had never existed prior in either nature or form prior to its existence outside the eternal. So in truth he had a beginning yet in spirit we hold him as our King eternal, since we come from him.

Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Tim 1:17

While a very simplistic explanation yet demonstrates why the Holy Spirit is given to the sons of men whose father is not the Holy Ghost who is the embodiment of the theos [2316] referred as God in 1 Tim 1:17 being the Eloyhim (Spirits) of Genesis 1, whom are later referred unto LORD God in Genesis 2 who forms man are joined together as LORD to be one Spirit when men begin to multiple upon the face of the earth.

 

[Zmouth]

God is Spirit indeed, and He spoke all things into being.

In Genesis 1, it is written that in the beginning God created the heaven and earth, not that God said let there be heaven and earth. It is written that God first spoke when said let there be light. Since God is light, then what light did God see when he saw the light?

 

[ikecantle]

That was spoken by Elihu, who was not one of the three that had appointment with Job (Job 2:11) whom the LORD referred unto as the one who spoke without knowledge when the LORD appeared unto Job as Elihu concluded speaking and asked Job,
"Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?"
Job 38:1-:2


Hello Zmouth, thank you for pointing out my mistake in quoting Job 33:4. I appreciate the correction, bro.

 

[JaumeJ]

In Genesis 1, it is written that in the beginning God created the heaven and earth, not that God said let there be heaven and earth. It is written that God first spoke when said let there be light. Since God is light, then what light did God see when he saw the light?

God spoke all into existence..........

Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his
mouth.

Yes God formed and created all, but if you read you will see "God said, Let there be..."

He formed man from the (red) dirt. Adam is the rood word for many words such as red, dust, dirt, blood and more........

By reading all you will understand all was spoken into existence by God, the Word, Jesus, Yeshua..

 

[Hungry]

I apologize in advance for offending anybody, but so much that has been written here (much at length) defies logic and understanding. I’m not going to center anyone out, but too many individuals just don’t grasp scripture. Instead of just reading and pontificating what others tell you Genesis says, do your own research.

Words are expressions of thoughts. The author of Genesis is trying to convey thoughts, not science. Figure out what he was thinking, not writing. Then maybe you will get a clue what is actually happening, instead of mindlessly restating the same literature dogmatically delivered through the generations.

 

[JaumeJ]

The Maker of all that is is not a creature who needs materials to create, He ruly says and it is.

This calls for faith..........if it does not make sense, it is due to a lack, a void, of faith, simple as that.

 

[Zmouth]

The author of Genesis is trying to convey thoughts, not science.

So how do you know what the author of Genesis is trying to convey if you don't know who the author is?

Is that why Genesis 1 writes about the origin of the universe or why it is written Jesus said, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" seeing that the LORD said he would raise up men and put his words in their mouth.

 

[Zmouth]

The Maker of all that is is not a creature who needs materials to create, He ruly says and it is.

This calls for faith..........if it does not make sense, it is due to a lack, a void, of faith, simple as that.

That sounds all good and nice but it lacks one thing, truth.

 

[JaumeJ]

That sounds all good and nice but it lacks one thing, truth.

The father of lies is the enemy, and I do not follow anything he says. I will not argue faith with anyone, so please do not attempt or tempt....God bless you.

 

[Hungry]

So how do you know what the author of Genesis is trying to convey if you don't know who the author is?

Is that why Genesis 1 writes about the origin of the universe or why it is written Jesus said, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" seeing that the LORD said he would raise up men and put his words in their mouth.

Any time someone expresses themselves using language, they are using words to convey thoughts. Words need to be understood and agreed upon in order to pass a thought. What is written isn’t always what is taught. “Logos” can be words, but saying in the beginning was the word. Then saying Jesus is “the Word”, and the Bible is the Word, is just confusing for people. Instead of digging deeper to gain insight, most just regurgitate written text without comprehension, never receiving the intended thought of the author.

 

[Zmouth]

The father of lies is the enemy, and I do not follow anything he says. I will not argue faith with anyone, so please do not attempt or tempt....God bless you.

There is no argument with faith, faith is the reasons for what one believes is true, so if one has faith then as written in 1 Peter 3:15. "... be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

If you don't feel comfortable answering questions regarding the reasons you believe something to be truth then that is certainly your prerogative, and I will respect your request not to be asked any questions.

 

[Zmouth]

Instead of digging deeper to gain insight, most just regurgitate written text without comprehension, never receiving the intended thought of the author.

With that I will agree.

 

[JaumeJ]

There is no argument with faith, faith is the reasons for what one believes is true, so if one has faith then as written in 1 Peter 3:15. "... be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

If you don't feel comfortable answering questions regarding the reasons you believe something to be truth then that is certainly your prerogative, and I will respect your request not to be asked any questions.

I would not use holy scripture to justify contention......God bless you.

 

[Zmouth]

I would not use holy scripture to justify contention......God bless you.

what light did God see when he saw the light?

"It is error only, not truth that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine.

 

[JaumeJ]

In which Book of the Word, that is the Way and the Truth and the Life, will we find Thomas Payne0s wisdom?

This is Christian Chat with the written Word accompanied by learning by the Holy Spirit as Authority. In other words God, the Author of all that is,.

If you wish to pursue intellectual endeavor, that is what is referred to as what is falsly called knowledge, you may, but in the appropriate forum.

Those with faith do not seek Truth from any other source than Jesus Christ. You are looking for contention, itis obvious..........no thanks.

 

[Zmouth]

In which Book of the Word, that is the Way and the Truth and the Life, will we find Thomas Payne0s wisdom?

I don't know of any book which does not contain words, even the book of Numbers has words.

However, Thomas Paine taught about the fixed and unalterable laws which the reprobate mind is at enmity against since it is not subject to them nor indeed can it be, because it doesn't know that it doesn't know.

Since wisdom is the principal thing, therefore get wisdom and in all your getting get understanding that you get what you pay for, even if only with a glass of water.

If you wish to pursue intellectual endeavor, that is what is referred to as what is falsly called knowledge, you may, but in the appropriate forum.

If you are not interested in what God saw when he saw the light in Genesis 1:4; And God saw the light, that it was good; then if you don't need help mate then being born of the Spirit your ears can see walking what your eyes hear moving better than I so as you see, no questions.

 

[Hungry]

I don't know of any book which does not contain words, even the book of Numbers has words.

However, Thomas Paine taught about the fixed and unalterable laws which the reprobate mind is at enmity against since it is not subject to them nor indeed can it be, because it doesn't know that it doesn't know.

Since wisdom is the principal thing, therefore get wisdom and in all your getting get understanding that you get what you pay for, even if only with a glass of water.



If you are not interested in what God saw when he saw the light in Genesis 1:4; And God saw the light, that it was good; then if you don't need help mate then being born of the Spirit your ears can see walking what your eyes hear moving better than I so as you see, no questions.

You are focused on light, what about darkness? Look up the words. They don’t refer only to the spectrum or lack of light. Perhaps polarity? Positives and negatives. Protons and neutrons, essentially matter?

 

[Hungry]

You are focused on light, what about darkness? Look up the words. They don’t refer only to the spectrum or lack of light. Perhaps polarity? Positives and negatives. Protons and neutrons, essentially matter?

...and electrons.