Not By Works

[Shamah]

You said it...end of story.....the word works in the context is irrelavant....you said salvation is NOT GAINED BY WORKS/FAITH.....

I can conclude by your verbiage and the comment about me trusting my faith that you believe exactly what I implied....

Like I have said and many others have pointed out...you are very deceptive and sneaky in the way you peddle your cafe blend of faith/law keeping salvation...and you know it is true

You half quoted me and think Im actually shaking in my boots... I stand by what I said:

I know salvation come from YHWH. I don't consider my faith or my works are earning me anything. He is the source of Life.

Isaiah 45:21-22, “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a righteous Power and Savior, there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Strength, and there is none else.”

 

[dcontroversal]

Your Posting "you seem to talk out of both sides of your mouth", just caused a REAL SERIOUS question to pop in my head.

Are they are SAYING that an ALL KNOWING GOD, and ALL POWERFUL GOD, Who Declares the END from the Beginning, MADE A MISTAKE IN SAVING THOSE IN THE FIRST PLACE, WHO WOULD EVENTUALLY TURN THEIR BACKS ON THE ALMIGHTY GOD OF THE UNIVERSE ? ? ?

Wow, and they would believe THAT MALARKEY, over and above that they simply made a mistake in thinking that person was SAVED before they LOST His or Her SALVATION.

When you break down their "system" we can rightfully conclude that thier god is weak, ineffectual and unable to keep his word or promises.....think about all the truth that must be denied, rejected, chunked into the bin to teach a salvation that can be lost or forfeit.....basically it calls Jesus a liar....he said he would not forsake us, save us to the uttermost, never leave us, keep us by his power, seals us unto the day of redemption, not lose nothing, raise us up the last day, leave the 99 to find us when we wander off etc......

 

[Shamah]

Therefore we conclude that Abraham was justified by FAITH without the deeds/works of the law.

THe brother and head disciple of the MEssiah says this:

James 2:21-22, “Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the altar? Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?”

I assume I will be spoken bad of for quoting it.

 

[dcontroversal]

You half quoted me and think Im actually shaking in my boots... I stand by what I said:

I know salvation come from YHWH. I don't consider my faith or my works are earning me anything. He is the source of Life.

Isaiah 45:21-22, “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a righteous Power and Savior, there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I am Strength, and there is none else.”

You should be shaking because you deny God, his word and flat abuse the truth....

In the grace you are, having been saved by FAITH

What you said equates the above to a lie.....that is why you should be shaking and on your knees getting right!

 

[Shamah]

Is this parable OK? Youre not going to call me a pharisee for posting it? I love the Salvation YHWH offers and love the Words of Messiah:

Matthew 25:14-30,14 for it is like a man going from home, who called his own servants and delivered his possessions to them."15 “And to one he gave five talents, and to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability, and went from home."16 “And he who had received the five talents went and worked with them, and made another five talents."17 “In the same way, he with the two also, he gained two more."18 “But he who had received the one went away and dug in the ground, and hid the silver of his master."19 “And after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them."20 “And he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents. See, I have gained five more talents besides them.’"21 “And his master said to him, ‘Well done, good and trustworthy servant. You were trustworthy over a little, I shall set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’"22 “Then he who had received two talents came and said, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents. See, I have gained two more talents besides them.’"23 “His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and trustworthy servant. You were trustworthy over a little, I shall set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’"24 “And the one who had received the one talent also came and said, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed,"25 and being afraid, I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’"26 “And his master answering, said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed."27 Then you should have put my silver with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest."28 Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to him who possesses ten talents."29 ‘For to everyone who possesses, more shall be given, and he shall have overflowingly; but from him who does not possess, even what he possesses shall be taken away. (Lk 8:18) 30 And throw the worthless servant out into the outer darkness – there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”

DC you missed my question:

Can you please explain that parable to me?

 

[dcontroversal]

THe brother and head disciple of the MEssiah says this:

James 2:21-22, “Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the altar? Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?”

I assume I will be spoken bad of for quoting it.

Try again....half brother and no he was not the head disciple...he did not even believe until after the resurrection....do you even know what you are talking about...NOPE

And Abraham was declared righteous by faith LONG BEFORE HE OFFERED ISAAC...

wow......

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

EXACTLY!

We are all sinners, but we are the one that Strive to Obey.

However only those Watching and Looking for the Bridegroom will GO.

Tribulation reference . . . of those that would enter into the Millennial kingdom.

 

[Shamah]

You should be shaking because you deny God, his word and flat abuse the truth....

In the grace you are, having been saved by FAITH

What you said equates the above to a lie.....that is why you should be shaking and on your knees getting right!

No im not worried when you alter my statement and apply it to me, YHWH knows.

Salvation is not gained/earned by faith or works it is given by YHWH. WIthout His mercy nonewould enter.

My faith is not my savior, YHWH is my Savior.

I know salvation come from YHWH. I don't consider my faith or my works are earning me anything. He is the source of Life.

 

[Shamah]

Try again....half brother and no he was not the head disciple...he did not even believe until after the resurrection....do you even know what you are talking about...NOPE

And Abraham was declared righteous by faith LONG BEFORE HE OFFERED ISAAC...

wow......

Who was the head disciple of the Messiah?

and your implying me wrong about Abraham but all I did was quote Scripture:

THe brother and head disciple of the MEssiah says this:

James 2:21-22, “Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the altar? Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected?”

I assume I will be spoken bad of for quoting it.

 

[dcontroversal]

Who was the head disciple of the Messiah?

and your implying me wrong about Abraham but all I did was quote Scripture:

Not the half brother of Jesus who did not even believe until after the resurrection

 

[VCO]

He is talking to those that have the truth in unrighteousness.

What do you think of a person who has the truth. Do you think that they knew God at least at one time? Do you think they were saved at one time? Do you think they had the truth and all that goes with knowing the truth and gave it up? Yes. OSAS is not a sound doctrine.

You still do not KNOW the REALITY of OSAS Beliefs, you only KNOW what someone else SAID that he thought were OSAS beliefs.

 

[Shamah]

Not the half brother of Jesus who did not even believe until after the resurrection

WHo then?

and do you consider James a valid disciple?

 

[dcontroversal]

WHo then?

and do you consider James a valid disciple?

Of course James was a disciple of Christ....you are conflating two issues...Apostles and Disciples......

 

[Shamah]

Of course James was a disciple of Christ....you are conflating two issues...Apostles and Disciples......

No I meant disciple. as in one chosen by the Messiah.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

VCO isn't interested in my responses apparently, they might make him see he is wrong again!

 

[dcontroversal]

No I meant disciple. as in one chosen by the Messiah.

The word disciple comes from a Greek word that means....a learner of one's doctrine or teaching....EVERYBODY THAT IS SAVED AND STUDIES THE WORD OF GOD is a disciple......No....James was not some HEAD disciple nor was he an Apostle...he BELIEVED AFTER THE RESURRECTION, was saved, studied for a time pastored the Church at Jerusalem.....he wrote 1 book of the NT just as the other half brother of Jesus --> Jude and his book does not teach a faith works blend to gain or keep salvation.....his book was written to JEWISH TRIBES SCATTERED ABROAD AND DEALS with the mere belief IN GOD as compared to genuine saving faith......it's main push is how MEN can SEE genuine faith in a believer......end of story!

 

[dcontroversal]

VCO isn't interested in my responses apparently, they might make him see he is wrong again!

I thought Paul was clear when he wrote....YOU ARE NOT IN DARKNESS THAT THAT DAY SHOULD OVERTAKE YOU AS A THIEF<--CONTEXT WAS THE last few verses of chapter 4 1st Thessalonians and was the COMING OF CHRIST AND the resurrection/change

 

[VCO]

We need to have a Moment of Silent Prayer for these mortally wounded Veterans of the Great Debate
between Calvinists and Armenians.

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[Shamah]

The word disciple comes from a Greek word that means....a learner of one's doctrine or teaching....EVERYBODY THAT IS SAVED AND STUDIES THE WORD OF GOD is a disciple......No....James was not some HEAD disciple nor was he an Apostle...he BELIEVED AFTER THE RESURRECTION, was saved, studied for a time pastored the Church at Jerusalem.....he wrote 1 book of the NT just as the other half brother of Jesus --> Jude and his book does not teach a faith works blend to gain or keep salvation.....his book was written to JEWISH TRIBES SCATTERED ABROAD AND DEALS with the mere belief IN GOD as compared to genuine saving faith......it's main push is how MEN can SEE genuine faith in a believer......end of story!

James was oneof the 12 chosen disciples, so at the least he was one of the main foundational disciples. His name will be on the foundation of the kingdom:

Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve emissaries of the Lamb."

If you study history he was called James the just (Yaaqob) and he led the disciples. James, Peter and John were the leaders of the followers of Yahshua.

 

[calibob]

You said it...end of story.....the word works in the context is irrelavant....you said salvation is NOT GAINED BY WORKS/FAITH.....

I can conclude by your verbiage and the comment about me trusting my faith that you believe exactly what I implied....

Like I have said and many others have pointed out...you are very deceptive and sneaky in the way you peddle your cafe blend of faith/law keeping salvation...and you know it is true

Peter denied the Christ 3x then hid yet he was saved although he lost his faith till Jesus came to him yet he WAS NOT damned to hell! Works had nothing to do with it. Grace-> Faith-> Salvation! That's all folks!