Joshua’s long day

Noose · Oct 4, 2018

It is not a popular route but worth pursuing because scriptures tend to explain it:

Col 1:16 For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence.

IMO, God did not create by literally speaking because speaking would require a material God with lips and a tongue, but the word of God is used to mean actualization of thought and the process itself is called TRUTH. So, God created by becoming the universe Himself.

If i only claim to be a teacher but never taught anyone then i'm lying but if it is true that i'm a teacher then the thought that i'm a teacher must be actualized by me teaching.

God is spirit - means He is a conscious mind and the mind is thought (attributes) and the thought is truth because in the case of creation it materialized to creation. And in summary, this TRUTH is what God inputs in the human mind so that man can also actualize God through the same process.

The reason God has said several times "..i will be their God and they will be my children..."

when? of course when they remember God/Truth. But for the rest, judgement because they forgot God/Truth, God also forgets them.

Jer 24:7 I will give them a heart to know Me, that I am the LORD. They will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with all their heart.

Isa 65:17 For behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered,nor will they come to mind.

dcontroversal · Oct 4, 2018

Noose said:

Do a study on "be" verbs which show a state of being........there is a very, very deep truth here that gets overlooked.....call to mind the following truths

And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.
His radiance is like the sunlight; He has rays flashing from His hand, And there is the hiding of His power.
In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength
At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

God is light.....

This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.

IS
eimi: I exist, I am
Original Word: εἰμί
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: eimi
Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')
Short Definition: I am, exist
Definition: I am, exist

LIGHT
phós: light
Original Word: φῶς, φωτός, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: phós
Phonetic Spelling: (foce)
Short Definition: light, a source of light
Definition: light, a source of light, radiance.

I have done an intensive study of this because it is fascinating and very deep.......God dwells in light and in essence is "be verb" light and we know and understand that GOD is eternal....now this is where it gets really deep.....God is also SPIRIT........now the interesting points....

It is a proven fact that the faster one goes time slows and when one hits the speed of light times stops. God by his very nature of dwelling in light and being light means he dwells in a permanent state of eternity where time as we know it stops and ceases to be. We also know that ALL things physical are atomic in nature vibrating at their own frequencies......EVEN light is made of particles such as PHOTONS......In the flesh we cannot be where GOD dwells be God by his very nature and character dwells IN LIGHT <-do a study on the word "IN" Let me make it clear...GOD is not a created being, he IS and HAS always been, yet IMO after a very intensive study "partially shown above" He vibrates at his own frequency which is far above and beyond the atomic frequencies that humanity and creation vibrates at and exactly why we cannot be physically where God is at in this body....

There are numerous verses that allude to this and or that speak to the vibrations or quaking that is felt in God's presence.....do the study.....very deep and very interesting.......

Noose · Oct 4, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Do a study on "be" verbs which show a state of being........there is a very, very deep truth here that gets overlooked.....call to mind the following truths

And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.
His radiance is like the sunlight; He has rays flashing from His hand, And there is the hiding of His power.
In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength
At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

God is light.....

This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.

IS
eimi: I exist, I am
Original Word: εἰμί
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: eimi
Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')
Short Definition: I am, exist
Definition: I am, exist

LIGHT
phós: light
Original Word: φῶς, φωτός, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: phós
Phonetic Spelling: (foce)
Short Definition: light, a source of light
Definition: light, a source of light, radiance.

I have done an intensive study of this because it is fascinating and very deep.......God dwells in light and in essence is "be verb" light and we know and understand that GOD is eternal....now this is where it gets really deep.....God is also SPIRIT........now the interesting points....

It is a proven fact that the faster one goes time slows and when one hits the speed of light times stops. God by his very nature of dwelling in light and being light means he dwells in a permanent state of eternity where time as we know it stops and ceases to be. We also know that ALL things physical are atomic in nature vibrating at their own frequencies......EVEN light is made of particles such as PHOTONS......In the flesh we cannot be where GOD dwells be God by his very nature and character dwells IN LIGHT <-do a study on the word "IN" Let me make it clear...GOD is not a created being, he IS and HAS always been, yet IMO after a very intensive study "partially shown above" He vibrates at his own frequency which is far above and beyond the atomic frequencies that humanity and creation vibrates at and exactly why we cannot be physically where God is at in this body....

There are numerous verses that allude to this and or that speak to the vibrations or quaking that is felt in God's presence.....do the study.....very deep and very interesting.......

You are looking God in a very physical sense which you are not supposed to. IMO, light as used in these passages or as you have studied is used symbolically and is not the actual nature of God.

It is very clear that your study was one sided and it's high time you also put an effort in studying:

Ex 20:21 And the people stood at a distance as Moses approached the thick darkness where God was.

Deuteronomy 5:22 The LORD spoke these commandments in a loud voice to your whole assembly out of the fire, the cloud, and the deep darkness on the mountain; He added nothing more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.

1 Kings 8:12 Then spake Solomon, The LORD said that he would dwell in the thick darkness.

Psalms 97:2 Clouds and darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are His throne’s foundation.

dcontroversal · Oct 4, 2018

Noose said:

No, I am not looking at God in a physical sense.........I am looking at him from the perspective of his own inspired words concerning his nature...and the underlined it ignorant, accusative and stupid all wrapped up in one big bow.....

dcontroversal · Oct 4, 2018

You know, it is a sad day and a losing day for biblical Christianity when one cannot view God from the words he inspired about HIMSELF without being mouthed by one claiming to be saved........Why cannot we accept the INSPIRED WORDS of GOD and make our stance on EXACTLY WHAT THEY MEAN without SPIRITUALIZING them away into some idiotic box that fits one's own lack of understanding........!!

Noose · Oct 4, 2018

posthuman said:

A simple experiment:

1. Take a flash light and shine it through 1m cubic clear glass block and on to a flat surface (a wall) on the other side.
The light field on the wall appears stable even if you shake the block violently but keep the flush light stable.

2. shine the flash light through stable clear water in 1m cubic clear glass container; the results on the wall would be same.

3. Now create disturbance effect in the clear water and observe what happens to the light field on the wall. It will not be stable.

Assuming that the properties in clear glass that allow light to pass through are the same properties in clear water that allows light to pass through on to the wall- would you conclude that the effect in disturbed water vs still water vs glass block is because of absorption/refraction/reflection/wave frequency??

My conclusion is different, light is just a field in which darkness is overcome and the energy source determines the size and shape of this field. Any material/particle within this field reacts by becoming a source of light itself either on the opposite side of the original source or on the same side as the original (depending on material).
The water particles by becoming the source of light themselves, create that disturbance just like one would create by shaking the flash light. So they act like many flash lights moving in different directions within the field of light hence create that disturbance effect.
If it was possible that material can interfere with a travelling photon and cause it change direction, then shaking the glass block violently would create the same disturbance effect.

My opinion.

Noose · Oct 4, 2018

dcontroversal said:

I never intended to paint you as ignorant and i don't deny that God has said He dwells in light, but i wanted you also to see and probably explain the very many verses that God says He dwells in thick darkness.

dcontroversal · Oct 4, 2018

Noose said:

Like I said.....study what a "BE" verb indicates and what "IN" means in Greek......you shot from the hip and assumed a lot about me in your post......It is a tragic day when this is what we have all sunk too.....I do not shoot from the hip when it comes to the word of God and I for sure base my understanding upon the words GOD inspired concerning himself and his nature, I let the bible speak and I let it take me where it takes me.....and for sure....if something I conclude contradicts other scriptural truths I will chunk my conclusion and study/pray for understanding until the bible coalesces and fits in context man..........

Zmouth · Oct 5, 2018

Scrobulous said:

Maybe you can sit there and claim to believe all things are possible with God and then turn around then turn around and say this and that are these things that are not impossible for God to do, but that is in fact no different that those who claim the universe is 14.5 billion years old and then say that matter and energy can neither be created nor destroyed since this universe is formed by matter then the universe must have always existed if the 1st law of thermodynamics was true.

So am I taking the verse in Mark 9:23 out of context wherein it is written, "Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth." If the the truth can't stand alone then you probably believe that principles can, thus you don't understand why is written that by two immutable things in which it is impossible for God to lie

So you can accuse me of implying God is a liar because you don't believe all things are possible with God but then again, yet by 1 Tim 4:2 I can say that my conscience is clear of calling the Word a lie.

Zmouth · Oct 5, 2018

Scrobulous said:

So it wasn't the LORD speaking in Ezekiel 14:9 wherein it is written, "... if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet, ...". no wonder I took it out of context as you claim.

Scrobulous · Oct 5, 2018

You are autistic, ZMOUTH. You seem incapable if understanding language. You are the worst kind of literalist. Nothing will make sense to you. You go round and round in circles, never coming to a knowlege of the truth.

Scrobulous · Oct 5, 2018

LaJolla said:

Dear Scrobulous, (what's in a name?)
I agree with your comments and questions; particularly, "The miracles of God are always instructive, not gratuitous."
Like fish in the ocean, which sense nothing of the atmosphere, dry land, or 'out of water' things never known, we are in a 'sea of time'. Our time domain is all we are allowed to perceive by our nature. It's a massive error to anthropomorphize our Eternal Creator, to limit Him to human domains.

From Isaiah 28, there is another hint of Holy anger and the dimension-altering aspects of this prophecy, especially verse 20, which I take literally:

15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
20 For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.
21 For the Lord shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

The long day of Joshua is fact. It's just a glimpse of the power and Holiness of the Father who cares for our souls.

Not quite sure what you are getting at here. I am not disputing that the long day is a fact.

Scrobulous · Oct 5, 2018

dcontroversal said:

You clearly have had some revelation concerning the relationship between God and light. It is always interesting to hear what another brother has learned.
When I read the passages about God being light, I assumed it mean’t light in the moral sense. God is, ultimately a moral person and he deals with us on the moral plane. Light is the purest thing we know, so God uses this symbolism to describe to us what he is like.
Perfect morality, or holiness, is a state in which God exists. We cannot approach him (without special dispensation) until we are like him. Rather amazingly, God has issued just such an invitation.

LaJolla · Oct 5, 2018

Scrobulous said:

Dear Scrobulous One, simply observing another possible scripture where God's eternal domain is able to alter space-time without wreckin' the joint. I didn't think you were disputing the 'long day'.

dcontroversal · Oct 5, 2018

Scrobulous said:

I agree with much of what you have said, but I must add the following truths....We cannot alleviate the words that God inspired and or their meaning/implication in the original languages used to describe the character, nature and or place where God dwells.......

Words such as

IS, IN, DWELLS.......<---the implication of these words cannot be swept under the table or spiritualized away.....

Is <---a "BE VERB" shows state of being

DWELLS IN UNAPPROACHABLE LIGHT is a very significant statement when combined with a "be verb" used to describe his nature and character.... "IS LIGHT"

I have heard the old adage of light representing doctrinal truth....and while this is true we cannot ignore the fact that the word for light is "phos" and the definition is clear....

phós: light
Original Word: φῶς, φωτός, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: phós
Phonetic Spelling: (foce)
Short Definition: light, a source of light
Definition: light, a source of light, radiance.

My view.....we are trying to understand God with a very limited view of his true being and from a mindset that has been tainted by human reasoning and logic regardless of what we may believe and or say......for example....take the following truths...

God is light
God is Love
God is Spirit
God is a Consuming Fire
God is the WORD which came to be FLESH

He states that I AM<--the self existent and eternal one

We are bound by what...3 or 4 dimensions.....bound by time....bound by flesh....bound by a lack of brain usage.....and yet we are trying to grasp the concept, nature, character, and being of GOD who is not bound by any constraint whatsoever at all "other than his word, character and nature"....We are trying to understand the creator of ALL things...the one who brought 1 trillion galaxies into existence with each one containing 300 billion stars give or take, raised man from the dirt, breathed into his nostrils the breath of LIVES "plural-->physical, mental and spiritual" the same God that engineered Atoms, Protons, Neutrons, Electrons and holds ALL things together by the word of HIS POWER......

We surmise, guess, question, conclude and believe with a very narrow scope of truth and or revelation.................We swallow camels and strain at gnats and in my honest opinion, and on many occasions, bring GOD down from his LOFTY POSITION of DWELLING in ETERNITY while limiting the scope of his power and glory by our insufficient surmising...........

PS · Oct 5, 2018

Thirteen months in a lunar year with the occasional day added to keep in step with the seasons and festivals.

"There are additional rules in the Hebrew calendar to prevent certain holidays from falling on certain days of the week. (See Rosh Hashanah postponement rules, below.) These rules are implemented by adding an extra day to Marcheshvan (making it 30 days long) or by removing one day from Kislev (making it 29 days long). "Accordingly, a common Hebrew calendar year can have a length of 353, 354 or 355 days, while a leap Hebrew calendar year can have a length of 383, 384 or 385 days."

God cannot lie, but man can.

posthuman · Oct 5, 2018

Noose said:

how about 'not photonic light' ?

dcontroversal said:

how about 'infinite frequency' ?

dcontroversal · Oct 5, 2018

posthuman said:

I have no problem with either.......points being that God in his nature transcends all that we know and we, with limited knowledge and hindered minds, are attempting to understand the eternal self existent one whose very essence is light/spirit and it is clear that he dwells in unapproachable light. HAH

posthuman · Oct 5, 2018

dcontroversal said:

i believe that God is light, just as it says, and i don't believe that's the same light in Genesis 1, when He creates light. but creation testifies of Him, and the light He creates testifies of the true uncreated light.

LPT · Oct 5, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Do a study on "be" verbs which show a state of being........there is a very, very deep truth here that gets overlooked.....call to mind the following truths

And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.
His radiance is like the sunlight; He has rays flashing from His hand, And there is the hiding of His power.
In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength
At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

God is light.....

This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all.

IS
eimi: I exist, I am
Original Word: εἰμί
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: eimi
Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')
Short Definition: I am, exist
Definition: I am, exist

LIGHT
phós: light
Original Word: φῶς, φωτός, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: phós
Phonetic Spelling: (foce)
Short Definition: light, a source of light
Definition: light, a source of light, radiance.

I have done an intensive study of this because it is fascinating and very deep.......God dwells in light and in essence is "be verb" light and we know and understand that GOD is eternal....now this is where it gets really deep.....God is also SPIRIT........now the interesting points....

It is a proven fact that the faster one goes time slows and when one hits the speed of light times stops. God by his very nature of dwelling in light and being light means he dwells in a permanent state of eternity where time as we know it stops and ceases to be. We also know that ALL things physical are atomic in nature vibrating at their own frequencies......EVEN light is made of particles such as PHOTONS......In the flesh we cannot be where GOD dwells be God by his very nature and character dwells IN LIGHT <-do a study on the word "IN" Let me make it clear...GOD is not a created being, he IS and HAS always been, yet IMO after a very intensive study "partially shown above" He vibrates at his own frequency which is far above and beyond the atomic frequencies that humanity and creation vibrates at and exactly why we cannot be physically where God is at in this body....

There are numerous verses that allude to this and or that speak to the vibrations or quaking that is felt in God's presence.....do the study.....very deep and very interesting.......

Psalm 104
1Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, You are very great; You are clothed with splendor and majesty.

2He wraps Himself in light as with a garment; He stretches out the heavens like a tent,

3laying the beams of his chambers on the waters above, making the clouds His chariot, walking on the wings of the wind.

4He makes the winds His messengers, flames of fire His servants

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