Not By Works

dcontroversal · Oct 13, 2018

VCO said:

No, you are IGNORING the TRUTH, IT LED ME TO A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY.

After I was Born Again, I was HUNGRY for the Word of GOD, beyond my wildest dream. I could get those TRUTHS from the WORD OF GOD, directly. That substituted Apostles Creed, for the WORD, prior to being BORN AGAIN, made me think I did not NEED to read the BIBLE. How many Others has the Apostles Creed, led them to believe they were saved, when they have NOT BEEN BORN AGAIN?
How many are ON the Broad Road to Destruction in Hades, because they recite the Apostles Creed every Sunday?

Matthew 7:13-23 (NASB)
13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
17 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you [BORN AGAIN]; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

John 3:3-7 (NASB)
3 Jesus answered and said to him,
"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
4 Nicodemus *said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'

RECITING the APOSTLES CREED every Sunday does not SAVE YOU.

Being BORN AGAIN DOES. Coming to HIM with a Broken, Contrite Heart over your UTTER SINFULNESS, and RECEIVING JESUS CHRIST as LORD, meaning MASTER, out of PURE LOVE FOR HIM. That is same moment the Holy Spirit comes into your HEART to birth your HUMAN SPIRIT to ETERNAL LIFE, and HE pours the LOVE OF GOD directly into your HEART, and HE immerses you into the Spiritual Body of Christ. THEN YOU ARE SAVED.

And you want to substitute the Apostles Creed, for TRUE SALVATION ? ? ?

He peddles that creed like a sale at Walmart.......the bible is the only rule of faith and practice...........there is no need of some creed written centuries after the word of God was completed and being passed around the churches......it is ridiculous.....

Endoscopy · Oct 13, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Sin is breaking of the law. Do you know what is in the law?

In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah. Maimonides counted and documented them. No one has found any more.

The 613 laws of God.
https://www.gospeloutreach.net/613laws.html

Discussion of the 613 laws of God
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

1ofthem · Oct 13, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Ok, I don't really now how to define it...Slip up, do something that we shouldn't and Don't really want to do...I don't really know what to call it...

I really don't know what would be the correct word for it, but I do believe that it is something that we did not really want or mean to do and we will feel remorse for it, and if not then there is probably something wrong....Just my opinion anyhow.

Maybe you or someone else has a better word for it...If so then I'm all hears. I'm not against learning to use better wording.

I guess Paul puts it best in Romans 7.

dcontroversal · Oct 13, 2018

1ofthem said:

Sin is what it is called and exactly how to define it.....John covers this AFTER one has been saved...If we say we have no SIN we are deceived and the truth is not in us.

1ofthem · Oct 13, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Yeah, I get that it is sin, but the aspect I'm trying to bring in and define is the it's not willful or something that we enjoy once we are saved component of it. We're not doing it just like any sinner who hasn't been truly saved...just because they want to and because they don't care. If that makes any sense.

1ofthem · Oct 13, 2018

Endoscopy said:

We all know that all those other laws do not apply anymore and have nothing to do with the law of Love or the New Testament so why bring all that stuff in. I don't think anybody here is trying to worship those laws or have any hopes that it can save them...just saying.

ljs · Oct 13, 2018

1ofthem said:

Romans 7 15-25

15
For what I am doing , I do not understand. For what I will to do , that I do not practice , but what I hate that I do

16
If then , I do what I will not to do , I agree with the law that it is good

17
But now , it is no longer I who do it , but sin that dwells in me

18
For , I know that in me ( that is , in my flesh ) nothing good dwells , for to will is present with me , but how to perform what is good , I do not find

19
For the good that I will to do , I do not do , but the evil I will not to do , that I practice

20
Now , if I do what I will not to do , it is no longer I who do it , but sin that dwells in me

21
I find then a law , that evil is present with me , the one who wills to do good

22
For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man

23
But , I see another law in my members , warring against the law of my mind , and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members

24
Oh wretched man that I am . Who will deliver me from this body of death ?

25
I thank God , through Jesus Christ our Lord ! So then , with the mind I myself serve the law of God , but with the flesh , the law of sin

I have always loved that the very first verse of the next chapter is

" There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus , who do not walk according to the flesh , but according to the spirit "

Romans 7 goes on further to explain all this , I love these verses

ljs · Oct 13, 2018

Romans 8 i meant

1ofthem · Oct 13, 2018

ljs said:

Thanks for posting the scripture. That's what I was trying to say in my previous post when I said I think Paul put it best in Romans 7.

I guess, I use the term we will make mistakes because it is not something that we are intentionally wanting to do or something that we just set out to do.

So maybe I should say when we make mistakes and sin...Maybe that would have been better than just saying when we make mistakes...???? I still don't know if I'm saying this right though...

Anyhow, thanks for the post.

theanointedsinner · Oct 13, 2018

VCO said:

Do you know why I think it is wrong to depend on the Creed?

I was raised Lutheran. I said that Creed every Sunday on until I was 29 years old.

I thought I was saved because I said that creed, which I thought made me a real Christian.

At 29 a couple month before my 30 birthday, I attempted suicide three times in a week.

After the Third Attempt, something in side me broke, I think it was the Pride of Life.

I was on my knees weeping like a baby, crying out to the LORD for my whole sinful life style.

I completely surrendered to HIM, as my LORD and MASTER, and I knew I would never take it back.

THAT APOSTLES CREED DID NOT SAVE ME, IT GAVE ME A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY, and I KNOW IF MY SUICIDE HAD BEEN SUCCESSFUL, THAT CREED WOULD HAVE LEAD ME TO HADES/HELL. BECAUSE WE WERE TAUGHT TO SAY IT FROM MEMORY, AND NOT IN OUR HEARTS.

amen, you have experienced it firsthand yourself, may we trust your experience, and forget about creeds

ljs · Oct 13, 2018

1ofthem said:

I get what your saying , but Paul himself admitted that he sinned willfully , like we all do , its our spirit that has been born again , not our flesh

Should we fight against our sinful nature ? Of course , but there will be times when we lose , just like Paul describes

theanointedsinner · Oct 13, 2018

dcontroversal said:

I don't find that funny at all.
let's take it seriously

1ofthem · Oct 13, 2018

ljs said:

I do get what your saying, but still for some reason I want to say we made a mistake or messed up and sinned...I guess it is because I know that we messed up and let the flesh take over and didn't walk in the Spirit like we should and that's why we sinned.

theanointedsinner · Oct 13, 2018

HistoryPrincess have described about how people can have uncontrollably high sex drive, and that people will ultimate fail God and God knows it
https://christianchat.com/christian-singles-forum/can-no-longer-separate-sex-from-sin.177975/

if this strong sex drive as described here leads to sin, can this sin also be repented?

ljs · Oct 13, 2018

1ofthem said:

Yes , and we will do that until the day Jesus comes for us , and we get glorified bodies

1ofthem · Oct 13, 2018

theanointedsinner said:

LOL...Sic 'em Cujo….But don't worry I'm not going to ask you because I would end up more confused...just kidding...LOL

1ofthem · Oct 13, 2018

ljs said:

Yes, I agree we are none going to reach perfection here on earth....

But I do think that it is something that we should strive for...continuing to grow in the Lord, walking in his Spirit and getting closer and closer to him until he calls us home.

theanointedsinner · Oct 13, 2018

face recognition, if this helps at all

<-- when you are wondering, "is this sin or not"

<-- the face you have when you got caught red handed by the public

<-- when you realize how badly you sinned and you are shocked

<-- when you get so comfortable sinning, that let's not go there

<-- when you feel falsely accused for the sins that you have not committed yet

<-- when you have an attitude of self-righteousness about hearing the sins of others

<-- when you are thinking in the back of your mind "please, stop preaching about sin, I'm sick and tired of talk"

<-- eh, I sin, God feels away from me, I become apathetic, eh, whatever

<-- when the Holy Spirit inspire your heart to feel remorse for your sins

dcontroversal · Oct 13, 2018

theanointedsinner said:

sar·casm
ˈsärˌkazəm/
noun

the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
"his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment"
synonyms:derision, mockery, ridicule, scorn, sneering, scoffing;

theanointedsinner · Oct 13, 2018

dcontroversal said:

what have I done?

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