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The Son sure is God:
Colossians 2:2 KJB - That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Colossians 2:3 KJB - In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
J
its not about what i think it ought to mean, its what the scripture says, im not the one changing it around.
Mark 13:32
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
it says no one knows but only the Father. how can you not see that?
Mark 13:32
“But concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
it says no one knows but only the Father. how can you not see that?
God said is there a God beside me, yea, there is no God, I know not any, and He is an omnipresent Spirit so He would know.
And before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me, and beside me there is no Savior.
God means supreme being and if God is an omnipresent Spirit then He would be the greatest for no one can be bigger which the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God, and He is the Almighty and has the most power which He can assemble and disassemble physical matter, and use the force of nature against His enemies, and put the force of nature in place, and said His ways are higher than our ways as the heaven is higher than the earth.
The Bible says Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, and Jesus said before Abraham was I am, and He is the Word who is God which is God revealing Himself in flesh, and He is God with us, and in the Old Testament God said that He would come in flesh and be the Savior.
Jesus is God which He is from everlasting which means He has no beginning, and there was no God created after God so He cannot be a created God.
And there is no such thing as a created God for God means supreme being, and a created God would be made of physical matter which God can disassemble if He wants so what kind of God is that.
God is a Spirit that cannot blow up, cannot melt away, cannot disintegrate, cannot ever be hurt, and all else is of physical matter.
Jesus is also man, the man Christ Jesus, for He was made of the seed of David according to the flesh, and when the time was come God sent forth His Son made of a woman, made under the law.
Jesus is God and man, which that can confuse some people for God is greater than the presence of a human being.
When the Bible says God was manifest in the flesh it means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus, for He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and He has the Spirit without measure, and it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness should dwell, and He is the personal human body of God which He laid down His life for us, and purchased the Church with His own blood.
And the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God for God cannot be separated, which Jesus does not have His own personal Spirit that moves around with Him for there cannot be a double portion of the Spirit in one place, and an empty space where the Spirit is not at, but the man Christ Jesus moves through the Spirit and wherever He is at the Spirit is there.
Which might help people understand how Jesus can be God and man for He is an omnipresent Spirit, and the man Christ Jesus does not have part of the Spirit that moves with Him but He moves through the Spirit the same as the saints do not have their own personal Spirit that moves with them but they move through the Spirit and they know God is omnipresent.
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Jesus dwells in the light which no person can approach unto, and no person has ever seen Jesus, and no person will ever see Jesus, for He is God an invisible Spirit but He showed us a visible manifestation of Himself.
Jesus is God's visible manifestation to the saints forever, which the throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
And contrary to what some people believe Jesus is not sitting on a throne next to the Father, but the only person we will see in heaven is Jesus which He told Philip if you have seen me you have seen the Father, and He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and we will only see one visible manifestation of God in heaven.
Jesus is at the right hand of God.
God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.
There is only one throne in heaven and one who sits on it, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus who is our Savior for only a sinless man can reconcile the world unto God, but no man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh and reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony.
Jesus said all power is given unto me in heaven and earth.
David said the LORD said unto my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.
For the Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered, and when they are conquered then the Son shall submit to God the Father that God may be all in all.
Which God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power, be at His right hand until the saints are with Jesus and His enemies conquered, and when that happens then the Son shall cease exercising the throne of power, stop being at the right hand that God may be all in all.
God is ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints.
The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus and if you have seen Him you have seen the Father.
And before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me, and beside me there is no Savior.
God means supreme being and if God is an omnipresent Spirit then He would be the greatest for no one can be bigger which the heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain God, and He is the Almighty and has the most power which He can assemble and disassemble physical matter, and use the force of nature against His enemies, and put the force of nature in place, and said His ways are higher than our ways as the heaven is higher than the earth.
The Bible says Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, and Jesus said before Abraham was I am, and He is the Word who is God which is God revealing Himself in flesh, and He is God with us, and in the Old Testament God said that He would come in flesh and be the Savior.
Jesus is God which He is from everlasting which means He has no beginning, and there was no God created after God so He cannot be a created God.
And there is no such thing as a created God for God means supreme being, and a created God would be made of physical matter which God can disassemble if He wants so what kind of God is that.
God is a Spirit that cannot blow up, cannot melt away, cannot disintegrate, cannot ever be hurt, and all else is of physical matter.
Jesus is also man, the man Christ Jesus, for He was made of the seed of David according to the flesh, and when the time was come God sent forth His Son made of a woman, made under the law.
Jesus is God and man, which that can confuse some people for God is greater than the presence of a human being.
When the Bible says God was manifest in the flesh it means that God manifest all His attributes to the man Christ Jesus, for He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and He has the Spirit without measure, and it pleased the Father that in Him all fulness should dwell, and He is the personal human body of God which He laid down His life for us, and purchased the Church with His own blood.
And the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God for God cannot be separated, which Jesus does not have His own personal Spirit that moves around with Him for there cannot be a double portion of the Spirit in one place, and an empty space where the Spirit is not at, but the man Christ Jesus moves through the Spirit and wherever He is at the Spirit is there.
Which might help people understand how Jesus can be God and man for He is an omnipresent Spirit, and the man Christ Jesus does not have part of the Spirit that moves with Him but He moves through the Spirit the same as the saints do not have their own personal Spirit that moves with them but they move through the Spirit and they know God is omnipresent.
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Jesus dwells in the light which no person can approach unto, and no person has ever seen Jesus, and no person will ever see Jesus, for He is God an invisible Spirit but He showed us a visible manifestation of Himself.
Jesus is God's visible manifestation to the saints forever, which the throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
And contrary to what some people believe Jesus is not sitting on a throne next to the Father, but the only person we will see in heaven is Jesus which He told Philip if you have seen me you have seen the Father, and He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and we will only see one visible manifestation of God in heaven.
Jesus is at the right hand of God.
God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.
There is only one throne in heaven and one who sits on it, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus who is our Savior for only a sinless man can reconcile the world unto God, but no man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh and reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony.
Jesus said all power is given unto me in heaven and earth.
David said the LORD said unto my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.
For the Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered, and when they are conquered then the Son shall submit to God the Father that God may be all in all.
Which God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power, be at His right hand until the saints are with Jesus and His enemies conquered, and when that happens then the Son shall cease exercising the throne of power, stop being at the right hand that God may be all in all.
God is ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints.
The only person we will see in heaven is Jesus and if you have seen Him you have seen the Father.
But many people do not consider this for this does not mean there is a trinity.
God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.
Which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world, and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world, and the Word was in the beginning which is the plan of God to show up in the future in flesh.
So the Son according to His humanity, the man Christ Jesus, can be considered as being in the beginning before He is born for God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened.
Which is why the Son, the man Christ Jesus, can be the beginning of creation, and the firstborn of the creatures, and without the plan of God coming in the flesh He would of not created anything He created, so God coming in the flesh was the first plan before He laid down the foundation of the world.
The Old Testament says that God created Adam in His image.
The New Testament says that Adam was made in the figure of Him to come who is Jesus.
The image of God is the image of Christ.
God had the plan to come in the flesh before He laid down the foundation of the world, and created Adam in that image an innocent nature in flesh.
So the let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image, and Adam was made in the image of Christ who is God manifest in flesh, the man Christ Jesus.
So it does not prove there is a trinity for the let us make man in our image is God and the man Christ Jesus a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
If they say the trinity is co-equal the Bible says the Father is above all so the Father would be greater than the Son, and why does the Bible only attribute the Father as being God.
There is only one God who is a Holy Spirit, and that is why the Spirit moved in creation, and Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in the saints, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus which He was made according to the flesh of the seed of David, and when the fulness of the time was come God sent forth His Son made of a woman, made under the law.
Not 3 persons in one God but the 3 relationships God has with His people designated by titles.
Father- Creator, and parent of the saints, which the Father is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Son- God's visible relationship to the saints, and the way He redeemed them reconciling the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony, and God in visible activity.
Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints, and regenerates them, and power to overcome the flesh, and the attributes of God, peace, love, and joy, and God in spiritual activity.
But the same God with no distinction of persons and the Father and Son is God and man.
They say there is 3 persons in one God because they cannot avoid the Bible saying one God, and then they say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, which then they are saying there is 3 Gods.
The Bible means one God when it states one God.
People are trying to make a trinity out of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and do not understand the terms.
Which the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is Jesus, for He created all things, came in flesh, and dwells in the saints, and those are titles not names, and the name is singular not plural.
Which Jesus said He came in His Father's name.
And in Hebrews 1 the Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.
And in John 14 the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.
And Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans were all baptized in the name of Jesus.
God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future it is the same as if it happened in the beginning for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance.
Which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world, and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world, and the Word was in the beginning which is the plan of God to show up in the future in flesh.
So the Son according to His humanity, the man Christ Jesus, can be considered as being in the beginning before He is born for God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened.
Which is why the Son, the man Christ Jesus, can be the beginning of creation, and the firstborn of the creatures, and without the plan of God coming in the flesh He would of not created anything He created, so God coming in the flesh was the first plan before He laid down the foundation of the world.
The Old Testament says that God created Adam in His image.
The New Testament says that Adam was made in the figure of Him to come who is Jesus.
The image of God is the image of Christ.
God had the plan to come in the flesh before He laid down the foundation of the world, and created Adam in that image an innocent nature in flesh.
So the let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image, and Adam was made in the image of Christ who is God manifest in flesh, the man Christ Jesus.
So it does not prove there is a trinity for the let us make man in our image is God and the man Christ Jesus a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
If they say the trinity is co-equal the Bible says the Father is above all so the Father would be greater than the Son, and why does the Bible only attribute the Father as being God.
There is only one God who is a Holy Spirit, and that is why the Spirit moved in creation, and Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in the saints, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus which He was made according to the flesh of the seed of David, and when the fulness of the time was come God sent forth His Son made of a woman, made under the law.
Not 3 persons in one God but the 3 relationships God has with His people designated by titles.
Father- Creator, and parent of the saints, which the Father is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Son- God's visible relationship to the saints, and the way He redeemed them reconciling the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony, and God in visible activity.
Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints, and regenerates them, and power to overcome the flesh, and the attributes of God, peace, love, and joy, and God in spiritual activity.
But the same God with no distinction of persons and the Father and Son is God and man.
They say there is 3 persons in one God because they cannot avoid the Bible saying one God, and then they say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, which then they are saying there is 3 Gods.
The Bible means one God when it states one God.
People are trying to make a trinity out of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and do not understand the terms.
Which the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is Jesus, for He created all things, came in flesh, and dwells in the saints, and those are titles not names, and the name is singular not plural.
Which Jesus said He came in His Father's name.
And in Hebrews 1 the Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.
And in John 14 the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.
And Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans were all baptized in the name of Jesus.
