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I agree with the Word of God which became Flesh.
Matt. 3:
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Matt. 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I am not ashamed for "believing" the Christ over your religion. You also could choose to believe in the Christ of the Bible. You are free to make that choice.
Matt. 3:
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
Matt. 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
I am not ashamed for "believing" the Christ over your religion. You also could choose to believe in the Christ of the Bible. You are free to make that choice.
Here is what we absolutely Believe about the Good Works issue.
Obedience is PART of the LOVE that GOD poured into our Heart.
Romans 5:1-10 (HCSB)
1 Therefore, since we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 We have also obtained access through Him by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only that, but we also rejoice in our afflictions, because we know that affliction produces endurance,
4 endurance produces proven character, and proven character produces hope.
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
6 For while we were still helpless [no works or good deeds], at the appointed moment, Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For rarely will someone die for a just person—though for a good person perhaps someone might even dare to die.
8 But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
9 Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
10 For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
Absolutely, NO WORKS, had any part in our SALVATION, and it was COMPLETE THE MOMENT WE CONFESSED (not just professed) that JESUS IS MY LORD, which means MASTER. And these things happened to the TRUE BELIEVERS at that same Moment.
The Holy Spirit Came into our Heart (human spirit). John 14:16-18, 1 Cor. 6:19-20, Eph. 1:13-14
Convicts our conscious of our Utterly SINFUL lifestyle, gives us a deep mourning over it. Acts 11:18, Acts 20:20-21, Ps. 51:17
The Holy Spirit Birthed our human spirit into ETERNAL LIFE. John 3:6-7, 1 Pet. 1:3-5, John 6:47
Declared us Righteous solely, because of WHAT JESUS DID ON THE CROSS. Rom. 5:9-10, Tit. 3:4-7, Luke 18:14
The Holy Spirit gets you to RECEIVE JESUS as LORD, and Confess Him as LORD. John 1:12-13, Col. 2:6, Rom. 10:9-11
The Holy Spirit Poured GOD's LOVE directly into our Heart (human spirit). Rom. 5:5, 1 John 3:14-17, Psa. 40:10
The Holy Spirit Immersed (BAPTIZED) us INTO the Spiritual Body of Christ. 1 Cor. 12:13, Rom. 6:3-4, Gal. 3:27
And gave our new born human spirit a Hunger and Thirst for Righteousness. John 6:35, 1 Pet. 2:2, Heb. 5:12-14, Rev. 21:6
That is all on DAY ONE, and it is TOTALLY COMPLETE, a GIFT OF GOD. IT IS SALVATION.
SO WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT?
NOTICE THAT WHEN GOD SAVED US, HE POURED HIS LOVE DIRECTLY INTO OUR HEARTS (human spirit).
That LOVE was sown into our Hearts in the FERTILE SOIL, and it will SPROUT, Grow DEEP ROOTS, and Produce a Bountiful Harvest of the SAME KIND OF LOVE HE PLANTED THERE. So OBEDIENCE IS A PRODUCT OF GOD's LOVE being PLANTED IN OUR HEARTS. You do not even get to puff yourself up with PRIDE for your OBEDIENCE. IT WAS PRODUCED FROM GOD's LOVE in our hearts. So get down off your High Horse, Humble yourself, and be in AWE of what CHRIST is doing in your LIFE. 1 John 3: 14-19
Philippians 1:6 (NIV)
6 being confident of this, that He who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
Galatians 2:19-20 (HCSB)
19 For through the law I have died to the law, so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ
20 and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.
GIVE HIM ALL THE GLORY FOR DOING ALL GOOD WORKS THAT COME OUT OF THE LOVE IN YOUR HEART.
NoNameMcgee said:
"but maybe if you shared 'a complete list' of every CC account you have had maybe i would remember one of them"
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Hi decon, Mcgee is correct, God'sGrace admits that she has been here prior, so if she would be so kind as to please give us her previous screen name or names, then we can talk bible.
"but maybe if you shared 'a complete list' of every CC account you have had maybe i would remember one of them"
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Hi decon, Mcgee is correct, God'sGrace admits that she has been here prior, so if she would be so kind as to please give us her previous screen name or names, then we can talk bible.
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nope such thing as third or fifth right.....such a pity, it could come in handy on this thread sometimes
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ben
you think genuine believers....( not just those with elements of faith who decieve even themself but never God)
can be born again....
lose salvation....
then be grafted back in......
Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
please ben
explain what this means to you
you think genuine believers....( not just those with elements of faith who decieve even themself but never God)
can be born again....
lose salvation....
then be grafted back in......
Hebrews 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
please ben
explain what this means to you
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You OMITTED a CRITICAL Phrase in the Bottom line, so I cannot agree.
IF WE LOVE HIM WILL trust and obey God as best we can to be with Him for eternity.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
The way you phrased it make is PART OF SALVATION, IT IS PART OF LOVE.
IF WE LOVE HIM WILL trust and obey God as best we can to be with Him for eternity.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
The way you phrased it make is PART OF SALVATION, IT IS PART OF LOVE.
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Like I have said numerous times....the workers for, Cainologists and Pharisee do the following..
a. Deny, change or omit context
b. Deny, change, embellish or omit verbiage and verb tense
c. Deny, change, omit, embellish or flat reject scripture in context
For example.....they will say....
WORKS do not save us, but they keep us saved
Eternal or everlasting life really means temporal life based upon what we do
Kept by the power of God through faith means we keep our self saved by what we do
The irrevocable gift of faith and salvation is revocable and a wage or reward earned by service
The hope of the bible which means a confidence of something guaranteed actually equates to the type of hope one has when they buy a lottery ticket.
Paul is Romans and James in James are conflated and or pitted against each other while the context of both is ignored and or rejected
Paul states we are eternally justified by faith alone yet they teach we justify ourselves by our works
and on and on and on and on......
a. Deny, change or omit context
b. Deny, change, embellish or omit verbiage and verb tense
c. Deny, change, omit, embellish or flat reject scripture in context
For example.....they will say....
WORKS do not save us, but they keep us saved
Eternal or everlasting life really means temporal life based upon what we do
Kept by the power of God through faith means we keep our self saved by what we do
The irrevocable gift of faith and salvation is revocable and a wage or reward earned by service
The hope of the bible which means a confidence of something guaranteed actually equates to the type of hope one has when they buy a lottery ticket.
Paul is Romans and James in James are conflated and or pitted against each other while the context of both is ignored and or rejected
Paul states we are eternally justified by faith alone yet they teach we justify ourselves by our works
and on and on and on and on......
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nope such thing as third or fifth right.....such a pity, it could come in handy on this thread sometimes
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