Are You Believing a Heresy? You Might According to a New Study

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PyongPing

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I don't think you realize your red font opinion, "However, the wicked are never immortal, for they are to be burnt up into smoke and ashes at the meeting out of Judgment, they are perished forever ", contradicts itself. If the wicked are not immortal then they cannot perish forever.
They are not "perishING" forever. There are to "perish", (John 3:16) and be gone forever. Please consider the English language once again, and the active endings.
 

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You have earned a place on my ignore list. Have a nice life.
Zec_7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Act_7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
Act_28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Rom_11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
1Co_14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

Mat_13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat_13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Mat_13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Act_28:27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Mar_4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Mar_6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
 

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No, they have the "prayers of the saints" who are redeemed. I told you they are ministering. Angels carry prayer to Heaven. Examples upon request.
Where are you copying your information from? It's quite a lot to read.
 

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Be back another day to cover more heresies, as God's grace and will allow.

Whatever doctrine you believe, think on how it reflects upon the character of God as detailed in scripture.
 

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Personally researched, and on (PC) HD, TD, exernal.
Forgive me for being so unaware. Could you please be more specific in what the bold part of your reply means? HD, TD, exernal? Thank you for your help.
 

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Zec_7:11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
Act_7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
Act_28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
Rom_11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
1Co_14:21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.

Mat_13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat_13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Mat_13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Act_28:27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Mar_4:12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Mar_6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
In case you haven't got it yet, your continued quoting of my post is annoying. I am not going to read through your novellas.

If you persist in badgering me, I will report you to the moderators. Don't bother responding unless you lead with an apology.
 
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I think hell is just a description of the experiences for the spirits that forget God, God is going to forget them forever also and this is righteous judgement.
And there we have the problem in red...
 
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This is true in many cases. You can see this the most clear in my opinion in HAITI. They combine Voodoo with the catholic services. They even have their own **** (i wont name them, no need to know the names of these) that they have named according to catholic saints.
Its like: X catholic saint represents Y spirit in Voodoo.
If you can, please email this information. Thank you.
 

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TheDivineWatermark said:

7-yr tribulation period, when
No such scripture exists. Will there be tribulation, Yes.
It seems you buzzed right past my explanation [with Scriptures] of the correlation of:

--the ARRIVAL of "the Day of the Lord [time period]" at the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]" (which is FOLLOWED by MANY MORE "birth PANGS [PLURAL]" that Jesus referred to in His Olivet Discourse)

--the "ARRIVAL/advent/presence/parousia " of "the man of sin" IN HIS TIME; "whose coming" 2Th2:9a (equaling Dan9:27a[26]--"for ONE WEEK [7-yrs]")

--"G5100 - tis - 'a certain one'" (INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]"), Matt24:4 / Matt13:5

--SEALS="the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]," so that SEAL #1 is the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" at the BEGINNING of the time period known as "the Day of the Lord" (i.e. the "whose coming/arrival/advent/parousia" of "the man of sin IN HIS TIME, i.e. Dan9:27a[26]--the rider of the white horse with "a bow" [which oftentimes refers to "DECEPTION" in OT references; see also again 2Th2:9 and Dan9:27[26].])

--etc... (I've run out of time for the moment, though I DID mention, in passing, the evidence of 2520 days [7-yrs of 360 days] between SEAL #1 and His Rev19 "RETURN" to the earth)



[Matt22:7,8 SEQUENCE also (70ad events AND THEN 95ad writings of "The Revelation"), correlating with what is stated in Rev1:1 "future and IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"]
 

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10/17/2018 " How well do Christians really understand biblical doctrine about their faith?
Ligonier Ministries released its third study on the State of Theology in the United States conducted by LifeWay Research.
They asked 3,000 Americans what they believe about "God, salvation, ethics, and the Bible" and discovered several alarming heresies that some Christians say they believe.
It sounds like Ligonier Ministries better learn the difference between 'Christians' and 'Americans'. They're not synonyms.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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^ EDIT: scripture reference I put should read "Matt24:4 / Mk13:5" (not Matt13:5)
 

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People need to realize heresy is a LOT more than syncretistic Catholic practices with tribal religions.

The first heresies are dealt with in the Bible. Paul criticizes the Judasizers in Gal. 1 John is written to counter antinominism.

Then in the second century, the Gnostic heresy. Moving into the 3rd and 4th century, the major issue on the deity of Christ. Arius challenged the churches to prove Jesus was God, and they took him up on it.

Then there was Marcinianism, Pelagianism and semi-Pelagianism and Sabellianism and so many more. Things got stuck in the Middle Ages, because the Church took over the power to decide doctrine, totally. Things stayed more or less the same, although there were people, like Richard Victor, Boethius and Anslem, who carved some new doctrines. Of course, those weren't heresy, and in fact, by the 15th century, it was the Catholic Church that really was full of heresies.

Today, there are process theologians and open theists, who push the envelope about God far past where it should be. Add to that the Unitarians and their compadres the Universalists, and you have the foundation of humanism in Europe breaking out of certain philosophical traditions, such as Nietschze and his nilihlsm

There are 2 good ways to avoid heresy. The most important it to read the Bible from cover to cover over and over. God will teach you through his word. It wouldn't hurt to study theology and learn all the orthodox doctrines, but also the heresies that have been judged and condemned over the centuries.
 

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It sounds like Ligonier Ministries better learn the difference between 'Christians' and 'Americans'. They're not synonyms.
LM knew what they were doing. It's described perfectly as is.
 

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Can an "αιων" [aiwn, aeon, in either time, distance or space] come to an end? Yes, even as Paul shows in Hebrews:

Hebrew 9:26 KJB - For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.​
Hebrew 9:26 KJB - επει εδει αυτον πολλακις παθειν απο καταβολης κοσμου νυν δε απαξ επι συντελεια των αιωνων εις αθετησιν αμαρτιας δια της θυσιας αυτου πεφανερωται​

Notice, "end of the world [aeon]". Notice again:

Titus 2:12 KJB - Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;​
Titus 2:12 KJB - παιδευουσα ημας ινα αρνησαμενοι την ασεβειαν και τας κοσμικας επιθυμιας σωφρονως και δικαιως και ευσεβως ζησωμεν εν τω νυν αιωνι

Notice, "in this present world [aeon]", which indicates that there is an end to the current "world", or existence, and another "world" [aeon], or existence, to follow after it. Thus and "aeon" can come to an end, and is not necessarily eternal. See also "since the world began", "before this world", "this present evil world", "this world", in Matthew 12:32, Matthew 13:22, Matthew 13:39-40 (2), Matthew 13:49, Matthew 24:3, Matthew 28:20, Mark 4:19, Mark 10:30, Luke 1:70, Luke 16:8, Luke 18:30, Luke 20:34-35 (2), John 9:32, Acts 3:21, Acts 15:18, Romans 12:2, 1 Corinthians 1:20, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 (4), 1 Corinthians 3:18, 1 Corinthians 8:13, 1 Corinthians 10:11, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Galatians 1:4, Ephesians 1:21, Ephesians 3:9, Ephesians 3:21, Ephesians 6:12, 1 Timothy 6:17, 2 Timothy 4:10, Tit 2:12, Hebrews 6:5, Hebrews 9:26; and etc. We now see that "aeon's" can begin, and end, and are not always ongoing without ceasing, and thus context always determines the length, distance, existence, etc.
I specifically referred solely to the phrase "the ages [PLURAL] of the ages [PLURAL]" and not to the word "age [SINGULAR]" (for example "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" which [specific time frame] concludes at the time of His Second Coming to the earth, at which point "the age [singular] to come" will then commence [i.e. the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom, at the time of His "RETURN" to the earth, per Rev19 [Rev16:14-16, Rev19:15b, Isa24:21-23, Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 and Lk19:12,15,17,19 and all of the parallels to these... so many more!]).

They are completely distinct references, so to bring in references about "age [singular]" is to confuse the matter.

Rev20:10's "unto the ages [PLURAL] of the ages [PLURAL]" correlates with Gal1:5 and Phil4:20 and Rev1:18... etc (meaning, forever---->). [compare Acts 13:33 with Ps2]

Those being judged at the GWTj are the "unsaved/unrighteous dead" of all times.
 

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Matthew 12:32, the thing is all would be fine if all sin were forgiven in the age that ended,,, but something extending into the age that follows the age that was ending that is to be judged aftwards throws rocks under the wheels...
 

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Forgive me for being so unaware. Could you please be more specific in what the bold part of your reply means? HD, TD, exernal? Thank you for your help.
No worries. HD (Hard Drive, specifically SSD, Solid State Drive, Main Drive C: 500 GB (Gigabytes)), TD (Thumb Drive; portable 64 GB (Gigabytes) aka KeychainDrive with dual port USB 3.0 and Mini-connect) and External (External HD (Hard Drive), specifically 5TB (Terrabytes) USB (Universal Serial Bus 3.0), which is the Main Drive I mirror other 5TB from for others to have), all of which are presently connected to my PC (Personal Computer). In other words, they are my files and documents I draw from, anything else has direct citation.
 

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It seems you buzzed right past my explanation [with Scriptures] of the correlation of:

--the ARRIVAL of "the Day of the Lord [time period]" at the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR; 1Th5:2-3]" (which is FOLLOWED by MANY MORE "birth PANGS [PLURAL]" that Jesus referred to in His Olivet Discourse)

--the "ARRIVAL/advent/presence/parousia " of "the man of sin" IN HIS TIME; "whose coming" 2Th2:9a (equaling Dan9:27a[26]--"for ONE WEEK [7-yrs]")

--"G5100 - tis - 'a certain one'" (INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]"), Matt24:4 / Matt13:5

--SEALS="the beginning of birth PANGS [PLURAL]," so that SEAL #1 is the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]" at the BEGINNING of the time period known as "the Day of the Lord" (i.e. the "whose coming/arrival/advent/parousia" of "the man of sin IN HIS TIME, i.e. Dan9:27a[26]--the rider of the white horse with "a bow" [which oftentimes refers to "DECEPTION" in OT references; see also again 2Th2:9 and Dan9:27[26].])

--etc... (I've run out of time for the moment, though I DID mention, in passing, the evidence of 2520 days [7-yrs of 360 days] between SEAL #1 and His Rev19 "RETURN" to the earth)



[Matt22:7,8 SEQUENCE also (70ad events AND THEN 95ad writings of "The Revelation"), correlating with what is stated in Rev1:1 "future and IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]"]
No. What I mean is, that Daniel 70 weeks are long since done, ever since AD 34, Acts 7 and the stoning of Stephen, see Hebrews 2:3; Romans 15:8.

The first 5 seals in Revelation are already long since past (except for the second portion of Seal 5, the second group of martyrs coming connected with the mark of the beast and seal of God, Revelation 20:4) and we are in the midst of Seal 6 already, even between vs 13 and 14.

The "man of sin" has already been here a thousand years. Been sitting in Rome a long time ...

As I stated there is no "7 year tribulation" scripture. People have to borrow, incorrectly from that which is already completed in Daniel (and a few other places) as I may shown in some detail. Not in this thread.