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You're bearing false witness against your own behavior and words of which anyone can see.
Perhaps your religion makes room for you to commit big sins while you strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Should we judge your eternal destination and salvation on such evidence? Or, are you Pharisaical, having double standards, one for you, one for others, which would be a rather interesting, and disturbing indicator of "where you are," spiritually?
Perhaps your religion makes room for you to commit big sins while you strain out a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Should we judge your eternal destination and salvation on such evidence? Or, are you Pharisaical, having double standards, one for you, one for others, which would be a rather interesting, and disturbing indicator of "where you are," spiritually?
Some people like the modern versions of the Bible better, but I like the KJV and have no problem understanding it.
I read through the KJV and it is the same theme all the way through the Bible, which if something was amiss somewhere I would know about it.
The KJV tells of creation, the fall of Adam and Eve and sin entered the world, the flood, the call of Abraham, the Jews in Egypt and being delivered from there, entering the promise land, the history of the Jews, and when they disobeyed God sent them prophets to turn them to the truth, but if they did not turn to the Lord after a certain amount of time they were punished but God always restores them which He will do again in the future, which God will send the Jews 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, and at that time all the Jews will be on their land by way of a peace treaty in the Middle East in the future.
Jesus coming as the Savior of the world, and nobody can be saved unless they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, and Israel as a nation did not accept Jesus and after 70 years of not turning to Jesus, God allowed the Roman Empire to scatter the Jews in to the nations, but will restore the kingdom on earth to them in the future after they have borne their shame, which it started when Israel became a nation again in 1948, and eventually all the Jews will be back on their land, and Paul sent to the Gentiles to turn them to the truth, and telling us to be led of the Spirit and act Christlike to be right with God, and telling us of the many hypocrites that will be at the end time which is now.
And God told us of the time now, the end time, which in the future the world will rebel against God, and then He will put the world down and end this sin business on earth, and Jesus and the saints ruling over the heathen that God spared at the battle of Armageddon for 1000 years, and when that period is over then the old heaven and earth shall pass away, and they shall not be remembered, nor come to mind, for they are associated with sin and rebellion, and the saints will be at a new heaven, and new earth, the New Jerusalem, where sin has never been, and sin will never be, and sin and rebellion will never come up again, and the angels and the saints will remember nothing prior to the New Jerusalem, but will feel they have always been there and nowhere else.
We know it is the end time because of advanced technology and travel, which Daniel did not understand what was told him, but was told to go his way and not worry about it for he could not understand it for the book is sealed unto the end, for many will run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall increase, advanced technology, so at the end time the saints can see, hear, and know, what is going on in the earth, and how they can come together to rebel against God, which there will be a deciding point for all people whether to stay with God, get with God, or follow the world, which Paul said when the world says Peace and safety when the nations come together to try to establish peace on earth that the saints in the truth will not be deceived by that for they will know it is not of God, and Jesus will deliver the saints in the truth from the temptation that shall come upon the whole world to try them that dwell on earth.
The Bible says multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision, for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
We know it is the end time, the latter times, for the Bible warns us of the new age movement and their false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, nature worship, witchcraft, and evolution, and people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process and love, but not the final teacher, and do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, and will cause all who follow him to evolve to be greater and spiritual.
The Bible says the time will come that the world will only want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement, and the new age movement is the future for this sinful world and will lead all people that do not love God to follow the beast kingdom in Revelation where they will rebel against God, and then God will end this sin business on earth, and the saints with God forever, and sin will be no more.
I do not know about the modern versions, but the KJV is the same theme throughout the Bible, but if the modern versions claim Jesus as Lord and Savior, and believe in being led of the Spirit acting Christlike it would seem like everything else would fall in place.
No person says Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost, and no person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them, so if anybody abides by that then God is working in their life, and when they realize that they have to act like Christ being led of the Spirit then they are in the truth, for many believe they cannot act like Christ for they cannot abstain from sins so they do not realize this truth, but the Bible says if we hate sin, and do not want sin, we can abstain from sin by the Spirit.
Which does not mean we might not sin after being in the truth, but we should have the proper understanding of truth that we have to get rid of the sin and keep moving forward, where many hold unto sin and think they are right with God, which the Bible says they have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, for they do not allow the Spirit to lead them favoring the ways of the world to enjoy the world like the world enjoys it, which they are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.
But the Bible told us there would be many hypocrites at the end time.
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I read through the KJV and it is the same theme all the way through the Bible, which if something was amiss somewhere I would know about it.
The KJV tells of creation, the fall of Adam and Eve and sin entered the world, the flood, the call of Abraham, the Jews in Egypt and being delivered from there, entering the promise land, the history of the Jews, and when they disobeyed God sent them prophets to turn them to the truth, but if they did not turn to the Lord after a certain amount of time they were punished but God always restores them which He will do again in the future, which God will send the Jews 2 witnesses to turn them to the truth that Jesus is their Messiah, and at that time all the Jews will be on their land by way of a peace treaty in the Middle East in the future.
Jesus coming as the Savior of the world, and nobody can be saved unless they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior, and Israel as a nation did not accept Jesus and after 70 years of not turning to Jesus, God allowed the Roman Empire to scatter the Jews in to the nations, but will restore the kingdom on earth to them in the future after they have borne their shame, which it started when Israel became a nation again in 1948, and eventually all the Jews will be back on their land, and Paul sent to the Gentiles to turn them to the truth, and telling us to be led of the Spirit and act Christlike to be right with God, and telling us of the many hypocrites that will be at the end time which is now.
And God told us of the time now, the end time, which in the future the world will rebel against God, and then He will put the world down and end this sin business on earth, and Jesus and the saints ruling over the heathen that God spared at the battle of Armageddon for 1000 years, and when that period is over then the old heaven and earth shall pass away, and they shall not be remembered, nor come to mind, for they are associated with sin and rebellion, and the saints will be at a new heaven, and new earth, the New Jerusalem, where sin has never been, and sin will never be, and sin and rebellion will never come up again, and the angels and the saints will remember nothing prior to the New Jerusalem, but will feel they have always been there and nowhere else.
We know it is the end time because of advanced technology and travel, which Daniel did not understand what was told him, but was told to go his way and not worry about it for he could not understand it for the book is sealed unto the end, for many will run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall increase, advanced technology, so at the end time the saints can see, hear, and know, what is going on in the earth, and how they can come together to rebel against God, which there will be a deciding point for all people whether to stay with God, get with God, or follow the world, which Paul said when the world says Peace and safety when the nations come together to try to establish peace on earth that the saints in the truth will not be deceived by that for they will know it is not of God, and Jesus will deliver the saints in the truth from the temptation that shall come upon the whole world to try them that dwell on earth.
The Bible says multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision, for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
We know it is the end time, the latter times, for the Bible warns us of the new age movement and their false interpretation of the Bible based on the occult, nature worship, witchcraft, and evolution, and people can still evolve, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process and love, but not the final teacher, and do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, and will cause all who follow him to evolve to be greater and spiritual.
The Bible says the time will come that the world will only want to hear the Bible according to the new age movement, and the new age movement is the future for this sinful world and will lead all people that do not love God to follow the beast kingdom in Revelation where they will rebel against God, and then God will end this sin business on earth, and the saints with God forever, and sin will be no more.
I do not know about the modern versions, but the KJV is the same theme throughout the Bible, but if the modern versions claim Jesus as Lord and Savior, and believe in being led of the Spirit acting Christlike it would seem like everything else would fall in place.
No person says Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost, and no person comes to the Son unless the Father draws them, so if anybody abides by that then God is working in their life, and when they realize that they have to act like Christ being led of the Spirit then they are in the truth, for many believe they cannot act like Christ for they cannot abstain from sins so they do not realize this truth, but the Bible says if we hate sin, and do not want sin, we can abstain from sin by the Spirit.
Which does not mean we might not sin after being in the truth, but we should have the proper understanding of truth that we have to get rid of the sin and keep moving forward, where many hold unto sin and think they are right with God, which the Bible says they have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof, for they do not allow the Spirit to lead them favoring the ways of the world to enjoy the world like the world enjoys it, which they are lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.
But the Bible told us there would be many hypocrites at the end time.
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The Bible is not hard to understand as some people would think for God wants us to understand it, and is not a great mystery to understand for God laid it all out plain for us to see, but what is hard for some people to understand about the Bible is to act Christlike which some make an excuse that they cannot do it which the Bible says they are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, and it points out their sins, for that is what is hard for them to understand concerning the Bible because they will not let go of enjoying pleasures of the flesh.
A person does not need the Spirit to understand David was king in Israel, and thou shalt not steal, and God delivered the Jews from Egypt, but they need the Spirit to understand act Christlike and there is no excuse.
I use the KJV of the Bible and if people think there is a problem with it that does not make sense for it is the same theme throughout the Bible, and no truth has been compromised, what the Old Testament says the New Testament says, and when I read the KJV it seems like it speaks with more authority than the modern versions.
I have noticed that a lot of people that believe they cannot act Christlike for they cannot abstain from sins favor the modern versions.
And I have noticed that a lot of people that believe act Christlike by the Spirit for it is possible, and they have to act Christlike favor the KJV.
Why is that.
I do not know what to tell you concerning the modern versions for after I read through the KJV I thought I had enough information concerning truth so what could the modern versions tell me for I already understand the theme of the Bible from creation to the saints dwelling with Jesus forever.
But I will not knock the modern versions but I do not read them for I already understand the KJV and nothing will be different that the modern versions could tell for there is nothing they can cover that I have not already read in the KJV.
But if I started with a modern version and read it through I might of stayed with that, but it appears we might have a problem with modern versions for we know that people are more selfish, and arrogant, and self exalting, than in the past, which the Bible tells us that, and many hypocrites that claim Christ, which the Bible tells us that, and the new age movement with their false interpretation of the Bible, which the Bible tells us of that, so we might figure that the modern versions might be affected by people translating the Bible in a time when there is more people wanting to hear truth their way, and being more selfish, and arrogant, than in time past.
But God can use the heathen to do His will on earth as in the example of king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, which is the most favored of the Gentile kingdoms and referred to as gold, that rode on eagle's wings when they had the revelation of God, for the king said that the God of Israel is the greatest God of all the gods, and anybody that says anything against Him shall be cut in pieces, and their house made a dunghill, and He rules on earth and gives the kingdom to whoever He wants to have it.
But when the king died his son took the throne and blew it by taking the vessels out of the temple of the LORD and drank out of them praising false gods, and the eagle's wings were plucked and they lost the revelation of God, and then became known as the kingdom of man, and the kingdom given to the Medes and Persians.
King Nebuchadnezzar was a heathen king that believed in other gods, and the occult, but because he acknowledged the God of Israel as the greatest God his kingdom flourished, which Babylon is anything goes multiculturism.
But eventually they blew it.
America is like Babylon, anything goes multiculturism, but they too like Babylon will blow it, for they allow all religions to be practiced there including the occult, Satanism, and the new age movement, and many people straying from God and will get worse.
So we might figure there might be a problem with the modern versions in such a time that we live in when many want to hear the Bible their way instead of the truth, and they could translate the modern versions to reflect that, but seeing it is the word of God then I will not state that as a fact if I do not read the modern versions and I do not want to say anything amiss concerning the word of God.
But I might go through the modern versions and see if anything does not line up with the KJV so that I will know.
The Bible is not hard to understand as some people would think for God wants us to understand it, and is not a great mystery to understand for God laid it all out plain for us to see, but what is hard for some people to understand about the Bible is to act Christlike which some make an excuse that they cannot do it which the Bible says they are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth, and it points out their sins, for that is what is hard for them to understand concerning the Bible because they will not let go of enjoying pleasures of the flesh.
A person does not need the Spirit to understand David was king in Israel, and thou shalt not steal, and God delivered the Jews from Egypt, but they need the Spirit to understand act Christlike and there is no excuse.
I use the KJV of the Bible and if people think there is a problem with it that does not make sense for it is the same theme throughout the Bible, and no truth has been compromised, what the Old Testament says the New Testament says, and when I read the KJV it seems like it speaks with more authority than the modern versions.
I have noticed that a lot of people that believe they cannot act Christlike for they cannot abstain from sins favor the modern versions.
And I have noticed that a lot of people that believe act Christlike by the Spirit for it is possible, and they have to act Christlike favor the KJV.
Why is that.
I do not know what to tell you concerning the modern versions for after I read through the KJV I thought I had enough information concerning truth so what could the modern versions tell me for I already understand the theme of the Bible from creation to the saints dwelling with Jesus forever.
But I will not knock the modern versions but I do not read them for I already understand the KJV and nothing will be different that the modern versions could tell for there is nothing they can cover that I have not already read in the KJV.
But if I started with a modern version and read it through I might of stayed with that, but it appears we might have a problem with modern versions for we know that people are more selfish, and arrogant, and self exalting, than in the past, which the Bible tells us that, and many hypocrites that claim Christ, which the Bible tells us that, and the new age movement with their false interpretation of the Bible, which the Bible tells us of that, so we might figure that the modern versions might be affected by people translating the Bible in a time when there is more people wanting to hear truth their way, and being more selfish, and arrogant, than in time past.
But God can use the heathen to do His will on earth as in the example of king Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, which is the most favored of the Gentile kingdoms and referred to as gold, that rode on eagle's wings when they had the revelation of God, for the king said that the God of Israel is the greatest God of all the gods, and anybody that says anything against Him shall be cut in pieces, and their house made a dunghill, and He rules on earth and gives the kingdom to whoever He wants to have it.
But when the king died his son took the throne and blew it by taking the vessels out of the temple of the LORD and drank out of them praising false gods, and the eagle's wings were plucked and they lost the revelation of God, and then became known as the kingdom of man, and the kingdom given to the Medes and Persians.
King Nebuchadnezzar was a heathen king that believed in other gods, and the occult, but because he acknowledged the God of Israel as the greatest God his kingdom flourished, which Babylon is anything goes multiculturism.
But eventually they blew it.
America is like Babylon, anything goes multiculturism, but they too like Babylon will blow it, for they allow all religions to be practiced there including the occult, Satanism, and the new age movement, and many people straying from God and will get worse.
So we might figure there might be a problem with the modern versions in such a time that we live in when many want to hear the Bible their way instead of the truth, and they could translate the modern versions to reflect that, but seeing it is the word of God then I will not state that as a fact if I do not read the modern versions and I do not want to say anything amiss concerning the word of God.
But I might go through the modern versions and see if anything does not line up with the KJV so that I will know.
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I'll give you one. There is truth to be had in the following verse. Who killed who? I thought David killed Goliath.
KJV 2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
ESV 2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
KJV 2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
ESV 2 Samuel 21:19 And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
King James Bible
And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
Do you know why "the brother of" is in italic? It means that its not present in the underlying Hebrew text. The KJV translators added it to make it fit with David's story.
So, the ESV is faithful to the Hebrew and the KJV is not a translation, but an interpretation, in this case.
And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
Do you know why "the brother of" is in italic? It means that its not present in the underlying Hebrew text. The KJV translators added it to make it fit with David's story.
So, the ESV is faithful to the Hebrew and the KJV is not a translation, but an interpretation, in this case.
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To make the translation correct in the English language the word "brother" was used. The way I can best explain it is that both Hebrew and Greek are elliptical languages. Elliptical means certain things are implied but not directly expressed. We use this in English too. "Been there, done that". In this expression, there is no subject in the English sentence.
Likewise the Hebrew and the Greek frequently leave out the subject, or the verb or the direct object or other parts of speech; instead they are sometimes implied. Notice here in the same chapter that we have several words "added", and if they were left out, it would not make much sense.
As far as the word "brother" being "added" to the text, the KJV is not at all alone in doing this, although it may surprise you to know that it was the FIRST English Bible to do so. Previous English Bibles like Wycliffe, Coverdale 1535, The Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' bible 1568 and the Geneva bible 1587 did not. So this was a conscious and deliberate decision on the part of the King James Bible translators. And they got it right!
Likewise the Hebrew and the Greek frequently leave out the subject, or the verb or the direct object or other parts of speech; instead they are sometimes implied. Notice here in the same chapter that we have several words "added", and if they were left out, it would not make much sense.
As far as the word "brother" being "added" to the text, the KJV is not at all alone in doing this, although it may surprise you to know that it was the FIRST English Bible to do so. Previous English Bibles like Wycliffe, Coverdale 1535, The Great Bible 1540, Matthew's Bible 1549, the Bishops' bible 1568 and the Geneva bible 1587 did not. So this was a conscious and deliberate decision on the part of the King James Bible translators. And they got it right!
That might be your experience. Mine is different. I find that, in general, KJV-only folks (as distinct from those who merely prefer the KJV) are more likely to be dogmatic, self-righteous, and haughty. Typically they seem to hold other Christians as inferior, whether in understanding, faith, or maturity, while they themselves are shining examples of the fruit of the flesh. I find very few to be "Christlike".
That is faulty reasoning. I understand that you are familiar with the KJV, but if you use it as the standard against which other translations are measured, your investigation is biased and worthless. The KJV is a translation, and as such should be compared, as should other translations, against the original-language texts.
That is faulty reasoning. I understand that you are familiar with the KJV, but if you use it as the standard against which other translations are measured, your investigation is biased and worthless. The KJV is a translation, and as such should be compared, as should other translations, against the original-language texts.
For any who are genuinely interested in this topic (and not merely here to promote their own views) I highly recommend James White's book, The King James Only Controversy (2nd ed.).
To those who would jump on this with criticism: save it. Encourage honest investigation instead of trying to tell people what to believe.
To those who would jump on this with criticism: save it. Encourage honest investigation instead of trying to tell people what to believe.
At yet another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaar, the weaver of Bethlehem, killed Goliath the Gittite whose spear was as big as a flagpole.(The Message)
And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob; and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Beth-lehemite slew [a]Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.(ASV) They added a footnote that says brother of
Once again there was a battle with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed[a] Goliath of Gath. The shaft of his spear was like a weaver’s beam.(CSB) Footnote adds brother of
And there was yet another battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare-Oregim, a Bethlehemite slew [a]Goliath the Gittite: the staff of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.(Geneva) Footnote says That is, Lahmi the brother of Goliath, whom David slew, 1 Chron. 20:5.
There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite [a]killed [b]Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.(NASB) Footnote says In 1 Chr 20:5, Lahmi, the brother of Goliath
In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair[a] the Bethlehemite killed the brother of[b] Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.(NIV) Footnote says See 1 Chron. 20:5; Hebrew Jaare-Oregim
Again there was war at Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of [a]Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.(NKJV) Footnote says Jair, 1 Chr. 20:5
Also the third battle was in Gob against [the] Philistines; in which battle a man given of God, the son of a forest, and an (em)broiderer, a man of Bethlehem, smote (the brother of) Goliath of Gath, whose spear shaft was as a beam of webs. (And the third battle against the Philistines was also at Gob; in which battle Elhanan, the son of Jair/the son of Jaareoregim, a man of Bethlehem, struck down the brother of Goliath of Gath, whose spear shaft was like a weaver’s beam.)(Wycliffe)
And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob; and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Beth-lehemite slew [a]Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.(ASV) They added a footnote that says brother of
Once again there was a battle with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite killed[a] Goliath of Gath. The shaft of his spear was like a weaver’s beam.(CSB) Footnote adds brother of
And there was yet another battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaare-Oregim, a Bethlehemite slew [a]Goliath the Gittite: the staff of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.(Geneva) Footnote says That is, Lahmi the brother of Goliath, whom David slew, 1 Chron. 20:5.
There was war with the Philistines again at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim the Bethlehemite [a]killed [b]Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.(NASB) Footnote says In 1 Chr 20:5, Lahmi, the brother of Goliath
In another battle with the Philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jair[a] the Bethlehemite killed the brother of[b] Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver’s rod.(NIV) Footnote says See 1 Chron. 20:5; Hebrew Jaare-Oregim
Again there was war at Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of [a]Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.(NKJV) Footnote says Jair, 1 Chr. 20:5
Also the third battle was in Gob against [the] Philistines; in which battle a man given of God, the son of a forest, and an (em)broiderer, a man of Bethlehem, smote (the brother of) Goliath of Gath, whose spear shaft was as a beam of webs. (And the third battle against the Philistines was also at Gob; in which battle Elhanan, the son of Jair/the son of Jaareoregim, a man of Bethlehem, struck down the brother of Goliath of Gath, whose spear shaft was like a weaver’s beam.)(Wycliffe)