Are You Believing a Heresy? You Might According to a New Study

[Quantrill]

Thanks, that just proves to me you ignore the context to suit what you want it to say.

No, I did not ignore the context. Neither did I ignore other information given of the four beasts and the twenty four elders. To add to that also, you see in (Rev. 5:10) that the ones speaking has been made kings and priests and shall reign on the earth. Such a place of authority has been taken away from the angels and been given to man. (Heb. 2:5-7)

So, again, the 24 elders must be of the human race.

Quantrill

 

[Lillywolf]

Since this denotes a clear misunderstanding of all issues underpinning the gospel, like the fall, the holiness of God, the sinful nature of man, and the need for a saviour... errr.....

sounds to me like just about 52% of evangelicals aren't saved.

...

I wouldn't give an article credit over God.

 

[Nehemiah6]

That's interesting? How do you study the prophets? Character traits?

By reading, studying, and believing what they have said. There is a vast amount of ignorance among Christians about what the prophets have revealed, particularly about the second coming of Christ and the future of the earth and the universe after that.

The character traits of the prophets were that they faithfully proclaimed whatever they were given, whether pleasant to the ears or unpleasant.

 

[Nehemiah6]

So, again, the 24 elders must be of the human race.

Has there ever been any doubt about this?

 

[Quantrill]

Has there ever been any doubt about this?

Not in my mind. But there are other opinions.

Quantrill

 

[Locutus]

Who decides what is heresy?

Heretic:

G140 hairetizo hahee-ret-id'-zo

from a derivative of G138;

to make a choice.
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G138 haireomai hahee-reh'-om-ahee

probably akin to G142;

to take for oneself, i.e. to prefer.
Some of the forms are borrowed
from a cognate hellomai hel'-lom-ahee;
which is otherwise obsolete.
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According to the above definitions most on here are heretics.

 

[Lillywolf]

Who decides what is heresy?

Heretic:

G140 hairetizo hahee-ret-id'-zo

from a derivative of G138;

to make a choice.
-----------------------------------
G138 haireomai hahee-reh'-om-ahee

probably akin to G142;

to take for oneself, i.e. to prefer.
Some of the forms are borrowed
from a cognate hellomai hel'-lom-ahee;
which is otherwise obsolete.
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According to the above definitions most on here are heretics.

Valid point. All Protestants were considered heretics during the Reformation. We were even killed under the charge.

How Many Protestants Were Killed in the Inquisition?

 

[Nehemiah6]

According to the above definitions most on here are heretics.

And why in the world would you be associating with heretics?

 

[Crustyone]

Daniel 12:1 says, "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: …" (see also Rev12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought against his angels.")

Are you saying that Jesus is "Michael"?


I appreciate what Gaebelein says here:

[quoting]

"But we shall see now what is meant by the deliverance of Daniel’s people.
Physical resurrection (as so often stated: a general resurrection) is not taught in the second verse. Physical resurrection is used as a figure of the national revival of Israel in that day. They have been sleeping nationally in the dust of the earth, buried among the Gentiles. But at that time there will take place a national restoration, a bringing together of the house of Judah and of Israel. It is the same figure as used in the vision of the dry bones in Ezekiel 37:1-28. This vision is employed by the men, who have invented the theory of a second chance and larger hope for the wicked dead to back up their evil teaching, but anyone can see that it concerns not the Gentiles but the Jewish people and that it is not a bodily resurrection, but a national revival and restoration of that people. Their national graves, not literal burying places, will be opened and the Lord will bring them forth out of all the countries into which they have been scattered."

[end quoting]

see also Rev11:15, etc...

The resurrection is a bodily resurrection. Both the wicked and the just will be resurrected and the wicked will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Isaiah 66:24 tells of people looking into the lake of fire and seeing corpses (dead bodies in most versions) being burned by the fire that never goes out and consumed by the worms that never die.

 

[Lillywolf]

The resurrection is a bodily resurrection. Both the wicked and the just will be resurrected and the wicked will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Isaiah 66:24 tells of people looking into the lake of fire and seeing corpses (dead bodies in most versions) being burned by the fire that never goes out and consumed by the worms that never die.

How would worms survive a fire that never goes out?

 

[Crustyone]

Don't ask me. Ask God when you see him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Didn't Jesus teach our Father in heaven loves us more than our father of this world, if your child made a mistake you would punish them forever?

I am not God. And how you can compair a God who claims to be the perfect judge to a man who is imperfect and fallen. Scares me.

Jesus does love us, Thats why he gave his life for us. If there were any other way, He would have given that way, instead of putting himself through that humiliation.

Gods love can not over rule Gods justice.

But it can find a way, that way is the cross.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How did this get changed to a prophesy concerning end times thread?

 

[jaybird88]

I am not God. And how you can compair a God who claims to be the perfect judge to a man who is imperfect and fallen. Scares me.

i never said man was a perfect judge, i said a a father would not disown his child forever for a mistake.
i dont think Jesus gave the teaching to scare and confuse us.

Jesus does love us, Thats why he gave his life for us. If there were any other way, He would have given that way, instead of putting himself through that humiliation.

Gods love can not over rule Gods justice.

But it can find a way, that way is the cross.

not sure what your point is here but ok.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

i never said man was a perfect judge, i said a a father would not disown his child forever for a mistake.
i dont think Jesus gave the teaching to scare and confuse us.

Ok lets go wth this. WHo are Gods children? The ones he adopts

How does he adopt them By faith.

So like you said, God will not just kick them out because they sinned.

So you just proved eternal security.

God calls unsaved people children of the devil they are not his.

So either way, Your argument to support god will not sent people wh just commit these minor sins to hell fails. If tyhis is what your trying to preach.

not sure what your point is here but ok.

it means that God can not just let a person out of hell because they did nto commit a sin as grievious or numerous as these other peopl. God must judge them all the same, apart from grace, and people being adopted into his family. They will be as guilty and led to hell as the serial killers (who were never saved) who follow them.

 

[jaybird88]

Ok lets go wth this. WHo are Gods children? The ones he adopts

How does he adopt them By faith.

So like you said, God will not just kick them out because they sinned.

So you just proved eternal security.

God calls unsaved people children of the devil they are not his.

So either way, Your argument to support god will not sent people wh just commit these minor sins to hell fails. If tyhis is what your trying to preach.

it means that God can not just let a person out of hell because they did nto commit a sin as grievious or numerous as these other peopl. God must judge them all the same, apart from grace, and people being adopted into his family. They will be as guilty and led to hell as the serial killers (who were never saved) who follow them.

the point i was making was against the "eternal hell" post. i think there may very well be eternal hell, i dont put a great deal of study on it, but i do believe those that get sent there are not going there because they seeked Jesus but made a mistake in their theolgoy of exactly who Jesus is or misunderstood some other teaching He gave.

 

[jaybird88]

it means that God can not just let a person out of hell because they did nto commit a sin as grievious or numerous as these other peopl. God must judge them all the same, apart from grace, and people being adopted into his family. They will be as guilty and led to hell as the serial killers (who were never saved) who follow them.

not all sins are the same.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

the point i was making was against the "eternal hell" post. i think there may very well be eternal hell, i dont put a great deal of study on it, but i do believe those that get sent there are not going there because they seeked Jesus but made a mistake in their theolgoy of exactly who Jesus is or misunderstood some other teaching He gave.

So we can believe this gospel or that gospel. As long as our motives are right, we will be ok?

I think you need to restudy galations 1.

And as far as people not being able to understand the gospel. Study romans 1.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

not all sins are the same.

The penalty of sin is death.

All son leads to death. Adam ate a peace of fruit, and look what the result was.

If you think there are some sins which do not condemn us, I fear for your eternal soul my friend. How can you repent and come to Christ if you do not think you need saved?

 

[jaybird88]

So we can believe this gospel or that gospel. As long as our motives are right, we will be ok?

I think you need to restudy galations 1.

And as far as people not being able to understand the gospel. Study romans 1.

not everyone is going to understand eveery biblical teaching the exact same way. Jesus said ask seek and knock, thats what i believe and i dont worry myself silly over theology.