Godliness Vs the control of men

[Adam77]

Other than the manipulative nature of some churches to extract the maximum amount possible from your wallet, over the years I've noticed some strange cultural phenomenon within some Christian circles that bears no relation to God:

1. "An unmarried couple must not live together until after marriage".

Why?
Oh, that's easy. It's because 50,000 years ago it was traditional for a man to build an extra house on the side of his in-law's house...

Can't see the link between the two?

You're not the only one!

This isn't related to God, but to some millennia old tradition that has long since passed.

Being 'Godly' is one thing, being controlled by ancient customs is another.


2. The same is true for the great pillar of man made pseudo-holy control: sex before marriage.

This is always justified with the same explanation, which goes something like this:
Sex is very intimate, you're both exposing yourself and opening up to each other, why sleep around before you know each other properly.

Firstly, sex before marriage does not equal sleeping around.

Secondly, two consenting adults who have taken the time to get to know each other are able to make their own decisions as they please. Sex before marriage, despite what some would have you believe, is not against anything in the Bible.

I await the arrival of 'me too' Christians who have asked the same question, been encouraged to interpret a certain part of the Bible in a very specific and symbolic way, and now encourage other Christians to do the same.


3. Church roofs.
The Church of England, along with other Churches and 'mega-Church' organisations, are among the wealthiest institutions on the planet.

Despite this, your local village Church has been literally begging for £20k to have the roof fixed for the last 15 years, and the amount needed hasn't changed.


4. The singles within the Church select each other to marry.

Yes, people tend to get together if they have similar values and interests, but you know what I mean here.
Simply the worst kind of cultural inbreeding there is, in some cases not that far short of arranged marriages.


Why am I posting this?
Because I'm sick to death of extinct ancient customs and peripheral culture masquerading as scripture, and used to exert varying forms of control on people's lives.

 

[Adam77]

Thanks for approving, admin

 

[Adam77]

Sorry, I almost forgot:

5. The fakeness of Church socialising:

Here's the script:

Let's pretend we're best friends even though we are now meeting for the first time, add each other on social media, and never speak again other than when either of us wants something from the other.

Also, what's with the low level **edited** on whoever is hosting next week's house group?

Church can be like a playground sometimes...

Let's play 'friends'.

 

[Dino246]

Secondly, two consenting adults who have taken the time to get to know each other are able to make their own decisions as they please. Sex before marriage, despite what some would have you believe, is not against anything in the Bible.

Evidence for this controversial assertion, please. Two or three witnesses at least.

 

[p_rehbein]

Just a quick look into this revealed:

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 - Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. (Read More...)

Hebrews 13:4 - Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Ephesians 5:5 - For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Exodus 22:16 - And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.

Genesis 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 4:1-18 - Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort [you] by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, [so] ye would abound more and more. (Read More...)

Ephesians 5:1-33 - Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; (Read More...)

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 Timothy 4:12 - Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Matthew 5:27-28 - Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: (Read More...)

Ephesians 4:22 - That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Mark 10:6-9 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 6:18 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Galatians 5:19 - Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

And, let us not forget what God did to those who seek to please the flesh......as recorded by the Apostle Paul in the 1st Chapter of Romans..........

 

[Adam77]

Just a quick look into this revealed:

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 - Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: [It is] good for a man not to touch a woman. (Read More...)

Hebrews 13:4 - Marriage [is] honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Ephesians 5:5 - For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Exodus 22:16 - And if a man entice a maid that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely endow her to be his wife.

Genesis 2:24 - Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. (Read More...)

1 Thessalonians 4:1-18 - Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort [you] by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, [so] ye would abound more and more. (Read More...)

Ephesians 5:1-33 - Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; (Read More...)

John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 Timothy 4:12 - Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.

Jude 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Matthew 5:27-28 - Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: (Read More...)

Ephesians 4:22 - That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;

Mark 10:6-9 - But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. (Read More...)

1 Corinthians 6:18 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Galatians 5:19 - Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

And, let us not forget what God did to those who seek to please the flesh......as recorded by the Apostle Paul in the 1st Chapter of Romans..........

I described sex before marriage as "the great pillar of man made pseudo-religious control", and it is ironic that this is the only point that has captured the attention of those that have responded.

There are many quotes from the Bible above, and a quick glance at this thread may lead an untrained reader to believe that 'countless' quotations can be found that contradict me.
This is not the case however.
The quotes given above do not discuss sex before marriage at all, nevermind it being a din.
The quotes describe how it is good for a man to have one wife rather than many, how cheating on your partner begins (at the act of thinking about other women), and although sexual immorality is described in the Bible (homosexuality, for instance) as well as rape, consent and being driven by lust, consenting to sex before marriage is not described.

 

[p_rehbein]

Of course they do. One simply has to understand. Living a moral life before, after marriage........ Not all who are whore mongers are married, nor are all who lead a maiden astray married.....

A moral, Godly life applies before after and during marriage........

Whatever your purpose, whatever it is you are trying to justify, it simply will not stand up to the Gospel of Christ.

 

[Adam77]

Of course they do. One simply has to understand. Living a moral life before, after marriage........ Not all who are whore mongers are married, nor are all who lead a maiden astray married.....

A moral, Godly life applies before after and during marriage........

Whatever your purpose, whatever it is you are trying to justify, it simply will not stand up to the Gospel of Christ.

Ah I see, I see where this is going.

I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm simply saying that I'm fed up of ancient customs and peripheral culture masquerading as scripture.

Nobody said that a moral and Godly life doesn't apply both before and after marriage.

 

[Adstar]

Ah I see, I see where this is going.

I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm simply saying that I'm fed up of ancient customs and peripheral culture masquerading as scripture.

Nobody said that a moral and Godly life doesn't apply both before and after marriage.

The standards of God are simply that Standards.. Trying to devalue them by calling them Ancient does not justify one in their attempt.. What is evil back then is still evil today.. The Will of God for humans is good.. No matter if He revealed it yesterday or 5000 years ago..

fornication is sex outside the bounds of marriage.. The Bible makes it clear that fornication should be avoided and that sexual relations should be reserved for married couples.. People who believe God will aknowledge His will to be good and true and will try to follow it in their lives.. Trusting God is central to one having a relationship with God.. People who trust God trust in his guidance and will seek to avoid sexual relationship outside of marriage..

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 - Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body

 

[Hevosmies]

Sorry, I almost forgot:

5. The fakeness of Church socialising:

Here's the script:

Let's pretend we're best friends even though we are now meeting for the first time, add each other on social media, and never speak again other than when either of us wants something from the other.

Also, what's with the low level **edited** on whoever is hosting next week's house group?

Church can be like a playground sometimes...

Let's play 'friends'.

May I ask: Are you a christian yourself adam?

I dont PRETEND. The reason I would treat someone great when meeting for the first time in CHURCH, is because they are my BROTHER or SISTER in Christ. How about that?

Am I supposed to treat them like a regular pagan?

 

[UnderGrace]

Ah I see, I see where this is going.

I'm not trying to justify anything, I'm simply saying that I'm fed up of ancient customs and peripheral culture masquerading as scripture.

Nobody said that a moral and Godly life doesn't apply both before and after marriage.

Which ancient customs are you referring to the Greek, Roman, Egyptian or maybe China or the Andes?

Which peripheral culture? Are you talking about the Amish? How does a culture masquerade as scripture?

 

[Dino246]

I described sex before marriage as "the great pillar of man made pseudo-religious control", and it is ironic that this is the only point that has captured the attention of those that have responded.

There are many quotes from the Bible above, and a quick glance at this thread may lead an untrained reader to believe that 'countless' quotations can be found that contradict me.
This is not the case however.
The quotes given above do not discuss sex before marriage at all, nevermind it being a din.
The quotes describe how it is good for a man to have one wife rather than many, how cheating on your partner begins (at the act of thinking about other women), and although sexual immorality is described in the Bible (homosexuality, for instance) as well as rape, consent and being driven by lust, consenting to sex before marriage is not described.

You are engaging in burden of proof reversal. Once again, please supply evidence that supports your assertion. Otherwise, your position is best ignored as baseless.

 

[melita916]

.... wat?

 

[Deade]

I described sex before marriage as "the great pillar of man made pseudo-religious control", and it is ironic that this is the only point that has captured the attention of those that have responded.

There are many quotes from the Bible above, and a quick glance at this thread may lead an untrained reader to believe that 'countless' quotations can be found that contradict me.
This is not the case however.
The quotes given above do not discuss sex before marriage at all, nevermind it being a din. a loud noise?
The quotes describe how it is good for a man to have one wife rather than many, how cheating on your partner begins (at the act of thinking about other women), and although sexual immorality is described in the Bible (homosexuality, for instance) as well as rape, consent and being driven by lust, consenting to sex before marriage is not described.

This whole post is nothing other than misinformation. Don't call us untrained readers then blast us with lies. We know what whoremongers are. The scriptures most assuredly describes sex before marriage. You come in here with statements like "the great pillar of man made pseudo-religious control." What kind of psychobabble is that? It is no wonder they are doubting your Christian status. The whole OP should be ignored for the trash that it is.

 

[JohnRH]

It's because 50,000 years ago it was traditional for a man to build an extra house on the side of his in-law's house...

Man didn't exist 50,000 years ago.
6,000 years ago God said, "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh".

Sex before marriage, despite what some would have you believe, is not against anything in the Bible.

Yes it is. Unmarried Christians are to marry when they "cannot contain".
1 Corinthians 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

 

[p_rehbein]

.... wat?

 

[UnderGrace]

Other than the manipulative nature of some churches to extract the maximum amount possible from your wallet, over the years I've noticed some strange cultural phenomenon within some Christian circles that bears no relation to God:

1. "An unmarried couple must not live together until after marriage".

Why?
Oh, that's easy. It's because 50,000 years ago it was traditional for a man to build an extra house on the side of his in-law's house...

Can't see the link between the two?

You're not the only one!

This isn't related to God, but to some millennia old tradition that has long since passed.

Being 'Godly' is one thing, being controlled by ancient customs is another.


2. The same is true for the great pillar of man made pseudo-holy control: sex before marriage.

This is always justified with the same explanation, which goes something like this:
Sex is very intimate, you're both exposing yourself and opening up to each other, why sleep around before you know each other properly.

Firstly, sex before marriage does not equal sleeping around.

Secondly, two consenting adults who have taken the time to get to know each other are able to make their own decisions as they please. Sex before marriage, despite what some would have you believe, is not against anything in the Bible.

I await the arrival of 'me too' Christians who have asked the same question, been encouraged to interpret a certain part of the Bible in a very specific and symbolic way, and now encourage other Christians to do the same.


3. Church roofs.
The Church of England, along with other Churches and 'mega-Church' organisations, are among the wealthiest institutions on the planet.

Despite this, your local village Church has been literally begging for £20k to have the roof fixed for the last 15 years, and the amount needed hasn't changed.


4. The singles within the Church select each other to marry.

Yes, people tend to get together if they have similar values and interests, but you know what I mean here.
Simply the worst kind of cultural inbreeding there is, in some cases not that far short of arranged marriages.


Why am I posting this?
Because I'm sick to death of extinct ancient customs and peripheral culture masquerading as scripture, and used to exert varying forms of control on people's lives.

According to God whoever you have "slept with" you have married.

Or don't you know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."

For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.

 

[Hevosmies]

1 Corinthians 7:8 I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. 9 But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.

I would love for Adam to explain this verse to us. How does that work with what he said in the OP?

Well, thats only what Paul said, now we got Adam to set us straight. You heard it here first folks: Fornication is a-ok.

 

[melita916]

for the "sex before marriage" section, i ask....

what is the biblical definition of fornication?

 

[p_rehbein]

for the "sex before marriage" section, i ask....

what is the biblical definition of fornication?

EXCERPT

What is the definition of fornication?
Fornication is defined as sexual intercourse between people not married to each other (1). Biblically, fornication has a little wider definition. It can refer to prostitution or promiscuous behavior or indulging in unlawful lust by either sex. It can also refer figuratively to committing idolatry (2) (2 Chronicles 21:11; Isaiah 23:15-17; Revelation 17:2).

FOUND HERE

https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=Awr...ication//RK=2/RS=sRA__fc1S53gPZ2BeBjaBB76qpc-