Pre-Trib Rapture and Premillennialism are False Doctrines
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If you believe you are now living in that age(Rev. 20:1-8) isn't that pre mil. ? I mean you cant be living in something("entire age we are currently living in") as you say and say it's false both,lol. If you think about it if you also believe Jesus will return at the end of the age and another will begin this one is (pre) millennium to the next.
Yes, Hymenaeus and Philetus saw the resurrection of the Old Testament saints and thought that the resurrection was past already... as in the resurrection had come and gone.
What they didn't understand was that Christ and those Old Testament saints were the firstfruits of the resurrection. In other words they didn't understand that the resurrection is like a harvest where the firstfruits come in first and then the main harvest comes later at the end.
But how are you relating this to Christ returning before the disciples have time to spread the gospel to all the cities of Israel?
What they didn't understand was that Christ and those Old Testament saints were the firstfruits of the resurrection. In other words they didn't understand that the resurrection is like a harvest where the firstfruits come in first and then the main harvest comes later at the end.
But how are you relating this to Christ returning before the disciples have time to spread the gospel to all the cities of Israel?
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1. Amills have to make prophesy an allegory. Literal interpretation DESTROYS their doctrines.
2. Prophesy (according to God) Is use to prove he is the one true God (in the OT we are told if a prophet prophesies, and what he says does not come true, that prophet is a false prophet and should not be listened too)
3. The 1000 years occures AFTER the return of Christ, which occures AFTER the 7th trump.
4. Satan will be bound, so he is not able to decieve the nations. Look at the last 2000 years. satan has been decieving many nations and been using them as puppets to keep Gods word out of their nations)
5. Christ is said to rule with a rod of Iron (look at the last 2000 years. if christ is ruling with a rod of Iron, He is not very successful in keeping evil at bay)
6. Isreal is said to be restored. For the firt time after they were both removed completely (offured 70 AD) they will be restored after they repent and christ will lead them, While gentile familie who refuse to come worship will be punished with NO RAIN
There is so much scripture which when taken literally as prophesy SHOULD be taken that refutes Amil it is not even close.
1. Amills have to make prophesy an allegory. Literal interpretation DESTROYS their doctrines.
2. Prophesy (according to God) Is use to prove he is the one true God (in the OT we are told if a prophet prophesies, and what he says does not come true, that prophet is a false prophet and should not be listened too)
3. The 1000 years occures AFTER the return of Christ, which occures AFTER the 7th trump.
4. Satan will be bound, so he is not able to decieve the nations. Look at the last 2000 years. satan has been decieving many nations and been using them as puppets to keep Gods word out of their nations)
5. Christ is said to rule with a rod of Iron (look at the last 2000 years. if christ is ruling with a rod of Iron, He is not very successful in keeping evil at bay)
6. Isreal is said to be restored. For the firt time after they were both removed completely (offured 70 AD) they will be restored after they repent and christ will lead them, While gentile familie who refuse to come worship will be punished with NO RAIN
There is so much scripture which when taken literally as prophesy SHOULD be taken that refutes Amil it is not even close.
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...plus it says grevious sores develop on those accepting the mark.
Inferring it is indeed under the skin.
Both tatoo and chip are under the skin.
I believe it is both. A chip and that freaks image or logo.
Obama had that sun/moon logo that was synonymous with his person
He was a forerunner of the AC.
Inferring it is indeed under the skin.
Both tatoo and chip are under the skin.
I believe it is both. A chip and that freaks image or logo.
Obama had that sun/moon logo that was synonymous with his person
He was a forerunner of the AC.
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_timothy/2-18.htm #'s 1096 and 2235 1096 is a verb 2235 is an adverb describing the timing...
He in 2 Thess. also says it is not present tense(ongoing) in 2 Thess. 2:2 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/2_thessalonians/2-2.htm (see 1764/is present)...
No idea where you get the idea Thayer's is the "best" lexicon. In fact, in theological and scholarly Biblical studies, Brown-Driver-Briggs is the best lexicon for Hebrew, and Bauer, or BDAG is the best Greek lexicon by far. If you had acutally studied the original languages, you would know this.
Here is one reason why:
"In February 1891 Thayer published a lecture in which he expressed disagreement with the position of Biblical inerrancy, asserting that his own acceptance of various errors of history and science in the Bible did not materially detract from his belief in the overall soundness of Christianity."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Henry_Thayer
Here's another: (A Unitarian?? Yikes)
- "A word of caution is necessary. Thayer was a Unitarian, and the errors of this sect occasionally come through in the explanatory notes. The reader should be alert for both subtle and blatant denials of such doctrines as the Trinity (Thayer regarded Christ as a mere man and the Holy Spirit as an impersonal force emanating from God), the inherent and total depravity of fallen human nature, the eternal punishment of the wicked, and Biblical inerrancy. When defining metamelomai [the Greek word for regret], Thayer refuses to draw a clear distinction between this word and metanoeo [the Greek word for a change of mind - repentance]. Underlying this refusal is the view that man is inherently good, needing Christ not as a Savior but only as an example."
- https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/lexicon_corrupt.htm
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Hello KJV1611. Good to see you joining the conversation again. I would question your interpretation of John 5: 25 being the resurrection of Old Testaments saints because of the immediate context of verse 24 right before it.
John 5: 24, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. "
Jesus is speaking about people hearing Him preach and those that believe in the Father and Him have passed from death to life. So the context in verse 25 is a spiritual resurrection. I see verse 28& 29 being about the physical resurrection. That's why he says the hour "now is" (spiritual resurrections through faith in Him), and the "hour is coming" (physical resurrection at the end of time).
John 5: 24, "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. "
Jesus is speaking about people hearing Him preach and those that believe in the Father and Him have passed from death to life. So the context in verse 25 is a spiritual resurrection. I see verse 28& 29 being about the physical resurrection. That's why he says the hour "now is" (spiritual resurrections through faith in Him), and the "hour is coming" (physical resurrection at the end of time).
Where does the binding of Satan in Rev 20: 1-3 say that he is totally bound? It says he is only bound from "deceiving the nations/gentiles".
Jesus says in John 12: 31-32, "Now is the judgment of this world; now the RULER OF THIS WORLD WILL BE CAST OUT. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to Myself.”
Luke 10: 17-19, "Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you."
The apostles are full of joy saying the demons are subject to them and Jesus says "satan fell like lighting". This happened at the cross. He was cast out. Bound from "deceiving the nations" during the 1,000 years (which is a symbolic number).
Luke 10 which I just quoted above tells you the "serpent and scorpions" are demons and evil principalities and powers.
It is systematic theology. It does not carry impossibilities. You need to do the research so you can understand it. I showed from Rev 11: 15-19 and especially verse 18 in my post #209 how a 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth is impossible according to Scripture.
And don't forget Job 14: 12, "Man lies down and does not rise again until the heavens are no more." Premillennialism has people being raised while there is still a heavens which Scripture denies.
Jesus says in John 12: 31-32, "Now is the judgment of this world; now the RULER OF THIS WORLD WILL BE CAST OUT. 32 And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to Myself.”
Luke 10: 17-19, "Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you."
The apostles are full of joy saying the demons are subject to them and Jesus says "satan fell like lighting". This happened at the cross. He was cast out. Bound from "deceiving the nations" during the 1,000 years (which is a symbolic number).
Luke 10 which I just quoted above tells you the "serpent and scorpions" are demons and evil principalities and powers.
It is systematic theology. It does not carry impossibilities. You need to do the research so you can understand it. I showed from Rev 11: 15-19 and especially verse 18 in my post #209 how a 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth is impossible according to Scripture.
And don't forget Job 14: 12, "Man lies down and does not rise again until the heavens are no more." Premillennialism has people being raised while there is still a heavens which Scripture denies.