Question(s) to those who believe salvation can be lost

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Jackson123

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Jan7777777 said:
that chapter he is speaking to his disciples at the last supper.....he knew they would be tempted to leave him, ..Jesus is the tree ( root) he will nourish us, prune us, cut off dead limbs (....persay) the ones that do not bear fruit( go through the actions of a Christians, yet not even saved) do NOT bear fruit, if they do not bear fruit they are not of the tree..dead if they were really by faith accepted Christ they would produce fruit. , they outwardly look like they are Christians, but they never had him come into their life. ....there are church member...I mean MEMBERS....that have dry bones inside, have no fruits and do not have Christ. just outward appearance . the outward person that SAYS they are Christians, yet are not his, are like a branch that withers.....no fruits, they die out and SUCH branches are thrown into the fire...of course they are they are not his.
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So you believe Jesus warn disciple not to leave Him?

Is that mean there is posibility to leave Him or lost their salvation isn't It?

If there No posibility to leave why bother to warn?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You say If one realy save must bear the fruit and we know the fruit of Holy Spirit is love.

What about If murderer repent for 10 years than back to murder,

Is he consider bear the fruit?

You ask how many sin till one lost his salvation, now I ask you If murderer repent for 10 year then back to murder for the rest of his life is he lost his salvation or not
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Why do you wish to place people under law?

Israel failed to keep it, why do you think you can?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Lets see

God gave the death penalty for some sin

He gave Lesser penalties for other sin

I am talking about reaction to sin here on earth to society

Every king had multiple wives. So david living wiht many wives did not harm society

Him taking a mans wife while he is at home when he shoudl have been leadin ghis troups. Then getting her pregant. Then having her husband killed to try to hide his sin.

Well look at how it affected david in society. He suffered greatly. He was apposed by his own people. And things were never the same

As for spiritual life or death

The penalty of sin is death Period

Are you mormon or Islam? I ask because they are the only two religions i know that say poligamy is ok.
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How about this verse

Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Is that mean only serious sin Will be death?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jackson123 said:
How about this verse

Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Is that mean only serious sin Will be death?
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Do you know the difference between spiritual death and physical death?
 
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Jackson123

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eternally-gratefull said:
Why do you wish to place people under law?

Israel failed to keep it, why do you think you can?
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So you believe you not under the law?

Hebrews 10:16 New International Version (NIV)

16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[a]

Explain to me why God write laws in their heart. This is new testament.

You not under law, murder rape, rob the bank is ok, what is the porpuse for God to put the law in your heat when you not going to use it
 
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So you believe you not under the law?

Hebrews 10:16 New International Version (NIV)

16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”[a]

Explain to me why God write laws in their heart. This is new testament.

You not under law, murder rape, rob the bank is ok, what is the porpuse for God to put the law in your heat when you not going to use it
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I believe what the bible says

I am not under law I am under grace

If your under law. 1 sin, no matter how small that sin may be, Makes you guilty of the whole law. And you will end up in hell with no hope.

James 2: 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guiltyof all.

Gal 3: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed iseveryone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
 
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Jackson123 said:
You say If one realy save must bear the fruit and we know the fruit of Holy Spirit is love.

What about If murderer repent for 10 years than back to murder,

Is he consider bear the fruit?

You ask how many sin till one lost his salvation, now I ask you If murderer repent for 10 year then back to murder for the rest of his life is he lost his salvation or not
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a murderer repented for 10 years then went BACK to murder...how did he have Christ at all? people can be sorry for things they do, doesn't mean they are saved
 
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Jackson123

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eternally-gratefull said:
I believe what the bible says

I am not under law I am under grace

If your under law. 1 sin, no matter how small that sin may be, Makes you guilty of the whole law. And you will end up in hell with no hope.

James 2: 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guiltyof all.

Gal 3: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed iseveryone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
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You have to read the context friend, law in this verse is OT law,

You not under law, is that mean murder is not sin anymore?
 
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Jackson123 said:
So you believe Jesus warn disciple not to leave Him?

Is that mean there is posibility to leave Him or lost their salvation isn't It?

If there No posibility to leave why bother to warn?
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he didn't say leave salvation....Christians even today , leave the church...doesn't mean they are lost
 
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Jackson123

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Jan7777777 said:
a murderer repented for 10 years then went BACK to murder...how did he have Christ at all? people can be sorry for things they do, doesn't mean they are saved
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So you believe If a person have Christ never sin anymore?
 
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Jackson123 said:
You have to read the context friend, law in this verse is OT law,

You not under law, is that mean murder is not sin anymore?
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No

Me not under law means murder can (actually any sin, why you focus on murder is just wrong, ALL sin is bad not just murer!). not condemn me anymore

if I murder, I will still be punished, By God and by society

Try to learn what under law means..
 
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Jackson123

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Jan7777777 said:
he didn't say leave salvation....Christians even today , leave the church...doesn't mean they are lost
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Don't you believe Jesus warn them not to leave Him or leave Jesus?

So you believe leave Jesus Do not mean lost their salvation?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Jackson123 said:
No, so you believe this verse talking about spiritual death?
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You answered your own question, If they di dnot die physically, then it was not physical death.

You were born dead in sin, and every sin you committed (no matter how small) just made you more worthy of death

So your left with 2 choices.

Continue to live in death

Or recieve the gospel and be made alive, adopted by God as his child..

The choice is up to you
 
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Jackson123 said:
How about this verse

Romans 6:23 King James Version (KJV)

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Is that mean only serious sin Will be death?
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Jackson123 said:
So you believe If a person have Christ never sin anymore?
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I am saying , if he desires to sin, he never was saved....a Christian will not DESIRE to sin.
 
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