Question(s) to those who believe salvation can be lost

[Jackson123]

A sinner sins every minute of every day, A person who has a bessetting sin just struggles with that sin. Like an alcoholic who struggles his whole life with alcohol.. They have good times and bad times. If they are saved, God is not going to kick them out of his family because they are sick, He loves them the same..

You not answer my question friend, my question is what the different between fall in sin and live in sin

 

[Jackson123]

I do not understand how you make such connection, or what you are trying to prove, or what is the point of this seemingly irrelevant question that you asked here?

I ask question not try to prove anything

Question because you Seem to believe salvation can not be lose even If a person murder every day

 

[Jackson123]

Jackson 123 you just answered one of your other questions with this verse.....we are not going to perish in hell if we belong to him. ..... read the story about swept garnished but empty in the bible..( matthew 12; 43-45)
..a preacher preached on this one sunday and 5 MEMBERS of the church got saved....they repented, and felt great....that feeling wasn't salvation it was their sins swept away, as they requested......but as the verse says, the demons came back and saw this person , swept, garnished but EMPTY......empty cause they repented, and got their sins forgiven...and satan whispers, you got saved you felt different supernatural different...........of course, your sins were forgiven...but remember he stands at the door and knocks.....if you do not ask him in, you are only got your sins forgiven.....look at the verse, it said , when the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.....then he saith I will return into my house from whence I came out and when he is come, he findth it empTy, swept , and garnished, then goeth he, and taketh with himself 7 other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there; and the last state of the man is worse than the first. even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.....THIS IS THE PERSON THAT COMMITTED MURDER AGAIN AFTER REPENTING......you have to do more then repent, you have to ask Christ in , he doesn't jump in after you repent, he stands at the door and knocks you have to receive him in . ask him in...otherwise you will be swept garnished but EMPTY.

So you believe when you repent, and ask Jesus into your heart there is No posibility to go back to do sin?

 

[RickyZ]

The silence is amazing here. This is precisely the point I want answered but so far nobody has stepped up

I wonder why. Usually people are all over those OSAS threads. HMM!

I think your original premise may be flawed. Every charismatic congregation I've ever been a part of has believed that once you go apostate there is NO going back.

 

[RickyZ]

So you believe murder every day is save as long as you believe Jesus is God?

While works will not determine your salvation, they are a reliable witness as to whether your 'salvation' is real. Thus, if one murders every day, then no they do not believe in Jesus, no matter what their lying lips may say.

 

[justpassinthrough]

wouldn't that person be repenting and getting baptized every day

Repenting and confessing our sin to God, to be forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness is the to continue with the Lord; to abide in Him.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 3:24




If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 15:6



This is the principle, Jesus was teaching in the parable of the lost sheep.


Being forgiven.



Matthew shows us how to regain someone who sins against us.

....Judas for instance......he was part of Jesus' followers.... but he did not accept Christ, he had a outward appearance , he is LIKE a branch that is withered ( inside) and SUCH branches will burn, they have no fruit...they do not have Christ living within

How can someone be joined to Christ without believing?



JLB

 

[eternally-gratefull]

While works will not determine your salvation, they are a reliable witness as to whether your 'salvation' is real. Thus, if one murders every day, then no they do not believe in Jesus, no matter what their lying lips may say.

Even serial killers do not murder every day, I love how they make up these fictional extreme people who do not resemble anyone to try to prove their point.

 

[Jan7777777]

So you believe when you repent, and ask Jesus into your heart there is No posibility to go back to do sin?

I don't know see that, when you repent, he wipes away sins, doesn't mean we wont get consequences from it....just like a child gets consequences from parents when they do wrong, because that parent is trying to mold them, do perfection. (takes a lifetime to some....lol) again, our nature is born in sin, flesh is comfortable when it sins, its a battle for the Christian daily to fight the wants of the flesh....are we perfect...no not yet, some day we will have a sinless nature in Heaven.

 

[Jan7777777]

Repenting and confessing our sin to God, to be forgiven and cleansed of all unrighteousness is the to continue with the Lord; to abide in Him.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 3:24




If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 15:6



This is the principle, Jesus was teaching in the parable of the lost sheep.


Being forgiven.



Matthew shows us how to regain someone who sins against us.





How can someone be joined to Christ without believing?



JLB

there are church members that has joined the church but it doesn't mean they are saved.

 

[justpassinthrough]

there are church members that has joined the church but it doesn't mean they are saved.

Church members?

I asked how a person can be joined to Christ, “in Christ”, unless the believe?


The scripture refers to those who are in Christ, then removed from Christ.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6



JLB

 

[Jackson123]

How can you lose something you could never earn to begin with. Please explain this..

I do not say one lose something that he never own It.

My question is If one accept Jesus for some time than back life in sin, is he lose his salvation?

 

[Jackson123]

I believe a person under grace will go to heaven I sin every day, If a murderer goes to hell. So will I so will you, so will every man woman and child

Of course, I do nto believe a child of God can murder every day.. You have him doing that through Gods chastening.. If they do not listen to God chastening, then they sin unti death so they can;t sin anymore

Only a non child of God can continue to murder every day for years.

But then again, A liar is just as guilty as a murderer, all sin is equal in Gods eyes for spiritual death

So why do you focus on murder? You think it makes you right, all your doing is convincing yourself your right. Your not.

So you believe If a person murder every day go to hell than you go to hell

That mean you believe murder and your sin (I do not know what kind of sin you do) is equal.

Am I correct

 

[Jackson123]

While works will not determine your salvation, they are a reliable witness as to whether your 'salvation' is real. Thus, if one murders every day, then no they do not believe in Jesus, no matter what their lying lips may say.

I know we save by faith not by work, but real faith is like a branch that abide to the tree, It Will produce a good fruit or good work

Work not produce salvation but

Salvation produce work.

 

[Jackson123]

I don't know see that, when you repent, he wipes away sins, doesn't mean we wont get consequences from it....just like a child gets consequences from parents when they do wrong, because that parent is trying to mold them, do perfection. (takes a lifetime to some....lol) again, our nature is born in sin, flesh is comfortable when it sins, its a battle for the Christian daily to fight the wants of the flesh....are we perfect...no not yet, some day we will have a sinless nature in Heaven.

You say: "I don't see that" mean you believe after accepting Jesus people may back to sin.

But you do not believe after accepting Jesus people must keep repent every time they sin. Am I correct?

You believe No matter what you do, you not lose your status as God child. Am I correct?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I do not say one lose something that he never own It.

My question is If one accept Jesus for some time than back life in sin, is he lose his salvation?

1 John 3:
Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

There is your answer. Move on.

 

[Jackson123]

1 John 3:
Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

There is your answer. Move on.

So you believe after accepting Jesus can not sin. But you say you sin every day

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you believe after accepting Jesus can not sin. But you say you sin every day

No

That passage says literally. A child of God can not live in sin, The word speaks of habitual sin. Not just sin, If it did John contradicted himself.

 

[Jan7777777]

You say: "I don't see that" mean you believe after accepting Jesus people may back to sin.

But you do not believe after accepting Jesus people must keep repent every time they sin. Am I correct?

You believe No matter what you do, you not lose your status as God child. Am I correct?

of course people should repent, and they will want to if they are his child. ..... I believe you do not lose your salvation, you don't become his child and then lose being his child... how many sins would it take to lose being his child....how many sins would it take to lose your parents being your parents...... that's like me saying just because I did something against what my parents believe they are not going to let me be theirs any longer.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

of course people should repent, and they will want to if they are his child. ..... I believe you do not lose your salvation, you don't become his child and then lose being his child... how many sins would it take to lose being his child....how many sins would it take to lose your parents being your parents...... that's like me saying just because I did something against what my parents believe they are not going to let me be theirs any longer.

Even if they decided to kick you out. Their blood and dna is still in your body. You would still be their daughter. Nothing can break that.

 

[Jackson123]

No

That passage says literally. A child of God can not live in sin, The word speaks of habitual sin. Not just sin, If it did John contradicted himself.

So murder every day go to hell am I correct?