Cut off her hand revisited

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Scrobulous

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Dear members, I posted a thread called ‘Cut off her hand’ that received a lot of replies. LPT has just provided a post that completely explains the verses in Deuteronomy, by looking at the original hebrew, and this changes the interpretation completely. Since there were strong opinions expressed on this subject, I would encourage anyone who posted to the original thread to go back and look at LPTs post. It completely reversed my understanding of the passage.
 

JaumeJ

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Dear members, I posted a thread called ‘Cut off her hand’ that received a lot of replies. LPT has just provided a post that completely explains the verses in Deuteronomy, by looking at the original hebrew, and this changes the interpretation completely. Since there were strong opinions expressed on this subject, I would encourage anyone who posted to the original thread to go back and look at LPTs post. It completely reversed my understanding of the passage.
Hi, will you post the link here? Thanks either way and God bless you… Oh, You could explain it to us all here if you like.
 

OneFaith

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Dear members, I posted a thread called ‘Cut off her hand’ that received a lot of replies. LPT has just provided a post that completely explains the verses in Deuteronomy, by looking at the original hebrew, and this changes the interpretation completely. Since there were strong opinions expressed on this subject, I would encourage anyone who posted to the original thread to go back and look at LPTs post. It completely reversed my understanding of the passage.
I didn't see the first post. But my thought is that that could effect his seed. I mean what if you are born handicapped and deformed just because your dad was in a fight one day and your future physical body was damaged, and would that effect the DNA of future descendants? I don't think it's about a wife protecting her husband, one woman drove a stake through a guys skull and killed him. I never really thought of that, cause women are taught that if a guy attacks you to knee him between the legs in order to escape. I know in the case of rape the baby should not be aborted- the baby should not get the death penalty for his father's sin. I guess in the same way, the baby should not be deformed because of his father's sin. Does this mean we shouldn't knee a guy in the groin in order to escape him? Yeek, I never thought of it that way.
 

Scrobulous

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Hi, will you post the link here? Thanks either way and God bless you… Oh, You could explain it to us all here if you like.
Anyone who reads Deut 25:11-12 is faced with a chilling text. It was not israel’s practice to amputate limbs and the principle of the punishment fitting the crime had already been established. As I commented in the original post, this scripture is not only a departure from these principles, it reflects badly on God to include such a regulation in the law, when Ps 1:2 says we are to delight in the law. Clearly God thinks the law encapsulates the principles of fairness and justice and in most things it does! But what about Deut 25:11-12?

The explanation is provided in LPT’s post and the link he provides.

https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/5137/what-is-the-meaning-of-deuteronomy-2511-12

It is well worth reading, but in short, the words translated ‘hand’ are all different in the hebrew and the interpretation is that if a woman renders a man infertile by grabbing him by the genitals, then the punishment is to cut off her hip. This sounds even worse than the english translation, until you realise it means to cut off her right to a Levirate marriage. In other words, if her husband dies, his brothers have no obligation to raise children for her.
This is just. The man is made infertile and in this way, the woman is too. It fits the principle of Talion. No limbs are amputated!
There are also some interesting ideas about tha hebrew language and the principles by which the israelites interpret the law. A scripture that sounds brutal in English is actually designed to prevent the excessive use of force.
 

Scrobulous

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I didn't see the first post. But my thought is that that could effect his seed. I mean what if you are born handicapped and deformed just because your dad was in a fight one day and your future physical body was damaged, and would that effect the DNA of future descendants? I don't think it's about a wife protecting her husband, one woman drove a stake through a guys skull and killed him. I never really thought of that, cause women are taught that if a guy attacks you to knee him between the legs in order to escape. I know in the case of rape the baby should not be aborted- the baby should not get the death penalty for his father's sin. I guess in the same way, the baby should not be deformed because of his father's sin. Does this mean we shouldn't knee a guy in the groin in order to escape him? Yeek, I never thought of it that way.

This idea and many others were discussed. See ‘cut off her hand’ on the forum!
 

JaumeJ

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I do not like the things you quoted at all, even though I have read them a few times on my own…..but Jesus gave me the entire solution when He chided the hypocrites for their understanding of the law.

Jesus told them they overlooked the three principles to be applied in understanding and applying the law which are:

Mercy

Justice

and faith.

I have faith in the love and mercy of Jesus that cutting off the hand or worse of even someone guilty of this infraction is totally without mercy or justice.. A woman attmpting to help or even save her husband should not be held responsible for she is not acting out of hate it would seem but out of love and fear for her mate.

Whenter I am corrct or not the punishment is totally lacking mercy…….and mercy is what we believe we receive for any and all of our own infractions…….and I know I req2uire mercy every day, and that can only come fromt heBlood of Jesus, our beloved and blessed Savior.

No, Anyi law on punishment for sin is not valid, not at all according to my faith in Jesus.....

YIour way of explaining it is chilling, but right on the point of why we must extend the mercy we expect, and that in itself takes a burden off of usbecaus we no long need concern ourselves with the guilt of others for we are given to extend mercy, neato-pizo as the kid used to sau---

Thanks for the subject and your explanation, all blessings in Jesus Christ.
 

OneFaith

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Anyone who reads Deut 25:11-12 is faced with a chilling text. It was not israel’s practice to amputate limbs and the principle of the punishment fitting the crime had already been established. As I commented in the original post, this scripture is not only a departure from these principles, it reflects badly on God to include such a regulation in the law, when Ps 1:2 says we are to delight in the law. Clearly God thinks the law encapsulates the principles of fairness and justice and in most things it does! But what about Deut 25:11-12?

The explanation is provided in LPT’s post and the link he provides.

https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/5137/what-is-the-meaning-of-deuteronomy-2511-12

It is well worth reading, but in short, the words translated ‘hand’ are all different in the hebrew and the interpretation is that if a woman renders a man infertile by grabbing him by the genitals, then the punishment is to cut off her hip. This sounds even worse than the english translation, until you realise it means to cut off her right to a Levirate marriage. In other words, if her husband dies, his brothers have no obligation to raise children for her.
This is just. The man is made infertile and in this way, the woman is too. It fits the principle of Talion. No limbs are amputated!
There are also some interesting ideas about tha hebrew language and the principles by which the israelites interpret the law. A scripture that sounds brutal in English is actually designed to prevent the excessive use of force.
"Hand" could also mean "wrist", but i can't see how it could possibly mean "hip". Besides, things in the old testament were not symbolic but physical.
 

Scrobulous

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"Hand" could also mean "wrist", but i can't see how it could possibly mean "hip". Besides, things in the old testament were not symbolic but physical.
You have to look at the original hebrew language. The same word means hand, foot or hip and this in itself is very odd. Read the link. It’s all there!
 

JaumeJ

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The lifting up of the hands, is praise of god. Yad is the root of the word for praise in Biblical Hebrew. It is interesting.

I also find the name Adam interesting. Damd, from Adam, is blood, and it is red. Adam is also mankind and red dirt or dust. From Adam though are and unto Adam shalt thou return…. Dam dam means bright red...…….

It is fascinating...…..and much prophesy is understood in knowing certain Hebrew. It may also lead some to conslusions of the intellect as opposed to undersanding of the Holy Spirit so all things in moderation and in the Spirit.