What was the nature of Adams death?
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What can I say, thank you. I was not quite so eloquently minded when faced by those questions but you came through like Shakespeare.
The work of Christ corrupting the first creation began the ageing, decaying, leading to death and destruction promise for violating the commandment. From the first moment both the corrupted spirit and corrupted body began its work to reveal the wrath of God being revealed from heaven .
The lifeless, spiritless flesh and blood return to the dust of the field and the temporal corrupted spirits returns to the father who gave it temporally to some. To others a new spirit that will rise on the last day and receive the new incorruptible bodies .
It would seem the rate of corruption has changed possibly twice. The first and the time of Noah or David in the Psalms..
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
When he corrupted it I would guess at the end of the third day .Using three many time to represent the end of the matter .The fourth day he started to two temporal time keepers. The Sun and the Moon . They will disappear a quickly as they came (twinkling of the eye ) on the lay day when we do receive our new incorruptible bodies
Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
These are some good points. Thanks.
There is a great mystery here, having to do with life and death.
I love that verse you quoted. (John 11:26)
Which pairs nicely with this one below.
Luke 20:38
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”
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There is a connection between physical and spiritual life that is hard for us to grasp.
This gets into the whole question about the immortality of the human mortal soul.
What both physical life and spiritual life mean. And both physical and spiritual death.
In the context of the verse above, Jesus is talking about the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Thus inferring that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are alive. And confirmed in the verse you brought. (John 11:26)
In the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus, Jesus relates two different destinies and two different paths to get there.
When the beggar Lazarus dies, the angels carried him to Abraham’s side to be comforted. When the Rich Man dies he is buried and is transported to Hades where he is in torment.
Luke 16:22-23
“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
When the beggar Lazarus dies, the angels carried him to Abraham’s side to be comforted. When the Rich Man dies he is buried and is transported to Hades where he is in torment.
Luke 16:22-23
“The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side.
Not a rebuttal, just further discussion points for consideration.
This is interesting to consider. What happened exactly? What was it like before the Fall and after?
God put humankind in the garden to work it. Would that include removing dead leaves from the trees?
What is to work if there is not a full cycle of life and death? The trees brought forth fruit.
Did that fruit not ripen and then over-ripen and die? Were there not seeds in the fruit that were designed
to fall and die and then bring forth new life? The reproductive process of replacing what is dying.
And as a consequence of the Fall, thorns and thistles and the sweat of one's brow to do the work.
Obviously no thorns or thistles in the garden of Eden and no labor by the sweat of one's brow to do the work.
So, what can we make of all this?
My understanding of this is that it did not end with the Fall but rather with the flood.
A vapor canopy covered the earth held in by cloud cover.
The break in this canopy revealed the rainbow in the sky with the associated promise.
Something never seen previously, due to the vapor canopy. That's the theory anyway.
Adam died a physical death just like the vast majority of people since His time..
Adam died in a spiritual sence when He adopted the knowledge of Good and Evil .. His former Good self died and he became a faulty human being, no longer good..
As a matter of fact
....The earnest expectation of the creation eagerly awaits the revelation of the sons of God. For the creation was not willingly subjected to vanity, but through Him subjecting it , on hope; that also the creation will be freed from the slavery of corruption to the freedom of the glory of the children of God.
(Rom 8:19-21)
