Can a Christian believe in Noahs flood not being Universal?

[luigi]

A Person must believe the earth is flat to be a Christian!

Unfortunately, the kindergarten carnal perspective of Christianity is that where Adam and Eve and their offspring represent all of modern humanity.

God is Spirit. When God created man in His image; He created man in the image of love, as God is love.
Prior to this, man had no spirit of love.

 

[Embankment]

Unfortunately, the kindergarten carnal perspective of Christianity is that where Adam and Eve and their offspring represent all of modern humanity.

God is Spirit. When God created man in His image; He created man in the image of love, as God is love.
Prior to this, man had no spirit of love.

I like that answer!

 

[preacher4truth]

Oh, the myths and fables people make up about creation is just laughable, but predicted, 2 Timothy 4:1-4:. And they stroke each other over their fables in adoration. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[luigi]

Unfortunately, you can't put new wine (common sense reasoning in corroboration with the Word) into old wine skins (dogmas contrary to common sense reasoning, and the Word).

 

[ChristisCreator]

Nobody is denying the flood - just the scope.

Peter was talking about his own generation "scoffing" not later generations.

Context is key.

Genesis 7 states that the 'waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth...all...were covered'. And that' 'all flesh...died'; so the Flood was global and covered the whole Earth, killing everything that breathed air. Moreover, 85% of the rocks on Earth's surface are sedimentary, meaning they were created by water, and that supports the Genesis account of a global flood.

 

[PS]

Genesis 7 states that the 'waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth...all...were covered'. And that' 'all flesh...died'; so the Flood was global and covered the whole Earth, killing everything that breathed air. Moreover, 85% of the rocks on Earth's surface are sedimentary, meaning they were created by water, and that supports the Genesis account of a global flood.

Here is how. The earth was covered with water at creation:
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Gen 1:2 KJV)

 

[jaybird88]

what year was the flood?

 

[PS]

what year was the flood?

Noah was born 3836 B.C. Elsewhere life continued as normal without a break.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_millennium_BC

 

[ChristisCreator]

what year was the flood?

around 2300 BC, based on Bible geanologies and events.

 

[PS]

around 2300 BC, based on Bible geanologies and events.

I was using this time-line

3962 B.C. Adam dies. (Genesis 5:4) .
3905 B.C. Enoch is taken by God. (Genesis 5:22-23) .
3836 B.C. Noah born (D:Heb/70)(B:Heb/70/Sam Genesis 5:32) .
3334 B.C. Shem born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/70/Sam Genesis 5:10) .
3236 B.C. Methuselah dies (Genesis 5:26-27). Worldwide Flood begins (Genesis 7:6, 11). .
3235 B.C. Flood Ends. (Genesis 8:13-14) Post-Flood
3234 B.C. Arphaxad born (D:Heb/Sam) (B:70/Sam Genesis 11:12) .
3099 B.C. Cainan born (D:70)(B:70 Genesis 11:13 Septuagint only) - Luke 3:36 2

Ancient Near East: Early Bronze Age.
3000 B.C. Sumerian Civilization begins to arise in Mesopotamia (until 2340 B.C.)

Egyptian Civilization begins to arise. Archaic Period. First king Narmer (also called Menes) Writing arises. Era of written history begins.
2969 B.C. Salah (alt. Shelah) born (D:Heb/Sam)(B:70/Sam Genesis 11:14) .
2888 B.C. Noah dies. (Genesis 9:28-29) .

http://www.bibleistrue.com/qna/qna63.htm

 

[ChristisCreator]

I was using this time-line

3962 B.C. Adam dies. (Genesis 5:4) .
3905 B.C. Enoch is taken by God. (Genesis 5:22-23) .
3836 B.C. Noah born (D:Heb/70)(B:Heb/70/Sam Genesis 5:32) .
3334 B.C. Shem born (D:Heb/70/Sam)(B:Heb/70/Sam Genesis 5:10) .
3236 B.C. Methuselah dies (Genesis 5:26-27). Worldwide Flood begins (Genesis 7:6, 11). .
3235 B.C. Flood Ends. (Genesis 8:13-14) Post-Flood
3234 B.C. Arphaxad born (D:Heb/Sam) (B:70/Sam Genesis 11:12) .
3099 B.C. Cainan born (D:70)(B:70 Genesis 11:13 Septuagint only) - Luke 3:36 2

Ancient Near East: Early Bronze Age.
3000 B.C. Sumerian Civilization begins to arise in Mesopotamia (until 2340 B.C.)

Egyptian Civilization begins to arise. Archaic Period. First king Narmer (also called Menes) Writing arises. Era of written history begins.
2969 B.C. Salah (alt. Shelah) born (D:Heb/Sam)(B:70/Sam Genesis 11:14) .
2888 B.C. Noah dies. (Genesis 9:28-29) .

http://www.bibleistrue.com/qna/qna63.htm

I can see you have put some thought into this. Another thought would be the BC dates are not in the Bible, scholors derived them through genealogies and events that transpired at known dates. Using these data Bishop Ussher placed the beginning of the world around 4004 BC and the Flood around 2348 BC. Creation Ministries International has published some papers on the topic if you're interested...

 

[Sketch]

So it’s nor far fetched to believe in the universal flood.

That's a curious way to say it.

Probably not what you meant, but...
Seems to indicate one who is standing on science as an authority while looking at the Bible saying,
"There seems to be evidence that the Bible might be true."
As opposed to one standing on the Bible as an authority saying, "In some cases science agrees with the Bible."

 

[Sketch]

I personally don't believe the flood was world-wide in scope. Often, when the bible says "all the earth", its doesn't mean global, but is referring to a specific area affected by what's being described. The deluge was huge, but imo limited to the wickedness which infected the descendants of Adam, it was all the land they occupied that flooded. Therefore, Noah did not take 2 of every species on earth, but only those animals indigenous to his area.

http://www.orange-street-church.org/text/noah-flood.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/DeafPreterist/noah.html

http://www.depodio.com/noah.htm

The rainbow was a sign. What was it a sign of?

Genesis 9:12-15
And God said, “This is the sign of the covenant I am making between me and you and every living creature with you, a covenant for all generations to come: 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life.

Genesis 7:17-24
For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. 21 Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

 

[ChristisCreator]

That's a curious way to say it.

Probably not what you meant, but...
Seems to indicate one who is standing on science as an authority while looking at the Bible saying,
"There seems to be evidence that the Bible might be true."
As opposed to one standing on the Bible as an authority saying, "In some cases science agrees with the Bible."

Here's a snippet from an earlier post...Genesis 7 states that the 'waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth...all...were covered'. And that' 'all flesh...died'; so the Flood was global and covered the whole Earth, killing everything that breathed air. Moreover, 85% of the rocks on Earth's surface are sedimentary, meaning they were created by water, and that supports the Genesis account of a global flood.

 

[Sketch]

Could the whole world be represented by they whom God/love came to know through Adam (in the Middle East), and not the rest of humanity throughout the world who had yet to be assimilated nine generations from Adam?

Did you say, "assimilated"? Better ask Locutus. (resistance is futile)

 

[jaybird88]

Noah was born 3836 B.C. Elsewhere life continued as normal without a break.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_millennium_BC

around 2300 BC, based on Bible geanologies and events.

this would put the flood right in the middle of the Egyptian, Babylon and Indus valley civs yet none of them mention a flood going on. i dont know if you guys are young earthers or just passing the info, but how do the young earth people respond to this?
also the civilizations listed all mention floods but their flood was tens of thousands of years earlier.

 

[PS]

I can see you have put some thought into this. Another thought would be the BC dates are not in the Bible, scholors derived them through genealogies and events that transpired at known dates. Using these data Bishop Ussher placed the beginning of the world around 4004 BC and the Flood around 2348 BC. Creation Ministries International has published some papers on the topic if you're interested...

That is what they did in the link I gave you. Usher based his calculations on the ages of the patriarchs for example without reference to known historical events.

 

[Sketch]

this would put the flood right in the middle of the Egyptian, Babylon and Indus valley civs yet none of them mention a flood going on.

What part of all life on earth was destroyed don't you understand?

Where there are no reporters, there is no news.

 

[Hevosmies]

We got pages of discussion about:

"Can a christian not believe the witness of:

Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

2Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

etc"

Thats basically the question. Is Genesis 6:17 true or not? Hmm. I hope nobody gets offended at me just WILDLY interpreting "all flesh wherein is the breath of life from under heaven and everything that is in the earth" to mean EVERYONE except Noah and his family, which is supported by 2 Peter 2:5.

But hey, these are Holy Spirit inspired writings, maybe the modern luciferian scientists are wrong after all?

 

[PS]

this would put the flood right in the middle of the Egyptian, Babylon and Indus valley civs yet none of them mention a flood going on. i dont know if you guys are young earthers or just passing the info, but how do the young earth people respond to this?
also the civilizations listed all mention floods but their flood was tens of thousands of years earlier.

Correct. There was no world-wide flood that destroyed all civilisations.

The Old Testament is about Eretz Yisrael and Their World.

The plague of Locusts in Exodus 10:5 that "covered the face of the whole earth" did not extend to the whole world. It was a local plague.

In Numbers 22:5,11 we read that when the Israelites settled in Canaan they "Covered the face of the earth." They were not in the whole world.

In Gen 4 the Bible says "Behold thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." Cain was driven out from the land where he was living.

When the devil tempted Jesus he took him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world. It was what they could see. Their world.

When the Israelites conquered Canaan we read in Deut 2:25 This day I will begin to put the dread and fear of you on the peoples who are under the whole heaven. The whole heaven was their immediate neighbours.

Language changes. In medieval England when they wrote about the county in which they lived, they wrote country. About a mile from where I live is a boundary between two villages called "World End." People went out of one world and into another. We need to understand these things.