Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning
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There is only one salvation my friend. There is no twofold salvation neither a twofold faith.
Correct! But just because the Native American Indians believed in a 'Happy Hunting Ground' is not proof they were regenerate. If that is the case, the Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and any other cultic religion that believes in an afterlife are regenerate as well.
Look up the missionary John Eliot. He was the first to publish a bible in North America in Algonkian language. He was the first missionary to witness Jesus to them. Without them knowing anything about Jesus, they could not be saved. That was the thrust of Paul's argument in Romans 10:14-17. No one can believe in Jesus unless they know He exists, and these Indians never knew about Him. Faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is about Jesus Christ.(Romans 10:17) God does not zap people in remote places, regenerate them, and then later on, they come to saving faith.
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Correct! But just because the Native American Indians believed in a 'Happy Hunting Ground' is not proof they were regenerate. If that is the case, the Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and any other cultic religion that believes in an afterlife are regenerate as well.
Look up the missionary John Eliot. He was the first to publish a bible in North America in Algonkian language. He was the first missionary to witness Jesus to them. Without them knowing anything about Jesus, they could not be saved. That was the thrust of Paul's argument in Romans 10:14-17. No one can believe in Jesus unless they know He exists, and these Indians never knew about Him. Faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is about Jesus Christ.(Romans 10:17) God does not zap people in remote places, regenerate them, and then later on, they come to saving faith.
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@ForestGreenCook look at Romans 1:18-23...
18-23 But God’s angry displeasure erupts as acts of human mistrust and wrongdoing and lying accumulate, as people try to put a shroud over truth. But the basic reality of God is plain enough. Open your eyes and there it is! By taking a long and thoughtful look at what God has created, people have always been able to see what their eyes as such can’t see: eternal power, for instance, and the mystery of his divine being. So nobody has a good excuse. What happened was this: People knew God perfectly well, but when they didn’t treat him like God, refusing to worship him, they trivialized themselves into silliness and confusion so that there was neither sense nor direction left in their lives. They pretended to know it all, but were illiterate regarding life. They traded the glory of God who holds the whole world in his hands for cheap figurines you can buy at any roadside stand.
Here is he talking about people who know about God through natural revelation, but that is not enough to save them. Natural revelation saves no one, as it does not explain to them the gospel of Jesus. He is, in my opinion, talking about pagans who have never heard of Jesus. They take what they see in natural revelation and attribute that to some idol, whether it be made of stone, clay, wood, bronze, gold, silver, iron, or any other material.
Just because a group of people believe in an afterlife is not proof of regeneration my friend.
18-23 But God’s angry displeasure erupts as acts of human mistrust and wrongdoing and lying accumulate, as people try to put a shroud over truth. But the basic reality of God is plain enough. Open your eyes and there it is! By taking a long and thoughtful look at what God has created, people have always been able to see what their eyes as such can’t see: eternal power, for instance, and the mystery of his divine being. So nobody has a good excuse. What happened was this: People knew God perfectly well, but when they didn’t treat him like God, refusing to worship him, they trivialized themselves into silliness and confusion so that there was neither sense nor direction left in their lives. They pretended to know it all, but were illiterate regarding life. They traded the glory of God who holds the whole world in his hands for cheap figurines you can buy at any roadside stand.
Here is he talking about people who know about God through natural revelation, but that is not enough to save them. Natural revelation saves no one, as it does not explain to them the gospel of Jesus. He is, in my opinion, talking about pagans who have never heard of Jesus. They take what they see in natural revelation and attribute that to some idol, whether it be made of stone, clay, wood, bronze, gold, silver, iron, or any other material.
Just because a group of people believe in an afterlife is not proof of regeneration my friend.
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A disclaimer...
To all on here, and especially those who have participated in this thread, what @ForestGreenCook is advocating is Hyper-Calvinism. H-C teaches that God will save all His elect, whether they hear the gospel or not, whether they come to know Jesus in a personal relationship or not. H-C denies the one eternal salvation given to the believer, but has a twofold salvation(i.e. Conditional Time Salvation) and that His people can live like the devil all the way up until death and be welcomed in to heaven with open arms(i.e. Free Grace Theology). Mainstream Calvinists and Calvinism both deny all of these false claims. Calvinists and Calvinism teach that those whom God elected will be saved, and none of them will die lost, but that they will hear the gospel and be saved, and knowing Jesus in a most personal relationship. We believe that the gospel is the only means by which God has chosen to save His people from their sins.
So, please let me beg you, do not accept @ForestGreenCook 's ideologies as being ours as well. Thank you.
To all on here, and especially those who have participated in this thread, what @ForestGreenCook is advocating is Hyper-Calvinism. H-C teaches that God will save all His elect, whether they hear the gospel or not, whether they come to know Jesus in a personal relationship or not. H-C denies the one eternal salvation given to the believer, but has a twofold salvation(i.e. Conditional Time Salvation) and that His people can live like the devil all the way up until death and be welcomed in to heaven with open arms(i.e. Free Grace Theology). Mainstream Calvinists and Calvinism both deny all of these false claims. Calvinists and Calvinism teach that those whom God elected will be saved, and none of them will die lost, but that they will hear the gospel and be saved, and knowing Jesus in a most personal relationship. We believe that the gospel is the only means by which God has chosen to save His people from their sins.
So, please let me beg you, do not accept @ForestGreenCook 's ideologies as being ours as well. Thank you.
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The verses you quoted defeats you own saying. Preachers are sent and no one can be sent unless they are appointed and given authority to spread the gospel. Appointments are physical and appointments by God ceased in the 1st century. Dreams/Theology degrees/ feelings- basically what we have today are never appointments. Self appointments make the word of God of no effect at all- it saves no one because salvation is also tied to obedience and obedience to authority-subordinate relationship and authority to physical appointment.
Again, the gospel works two ways:
1. It saves
2. It condemns/judges
A self appointed preacher will make the gospel of no effect but will surely condemn his congregation, yet God is faithful, He saves those that He saves even in such congregations.
Again, the gospel works two ways:
1. It saves
2. It condemns/judges
A self appointed preacher will make the gospel of no effect but will surely condemn his congregation, yet God is faithful, He saves those that He saves even in such congregations.
If the child of God looses direction, death comes swiftly to save them. That is why it is said the days of the elect are shortened:
Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
the devout are taken away,
and no one understands
that the righteous are taken away
to be spared from evil.
2Those who walk uprightly
enter into peace;
they find rest as they lie in death.
Psalm 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His saints.
Isa 57:
1The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
the devout are taken away,
and no one understands
that the righteous are taken away
to be spared from evil.
2Those who walk uprightly
enter into peace;
they find rest as they lie in death.
Psalm 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His saints.
I imagine there is SOMETHING (or rather, someone) behind all these weird teachings. There is NO WAY to pick up the Bible and read it and come up with any of this stuff.
I understand you can come up with false doctrine by just reading the Bible if you dont understand things correctly and dont take into account the WHOLE counsel of God, but its a difference between small things like that and MASSIVE weird ideas like this.
I understand you can come up with false doctrine by just reading the Bible if you dont understand things correctly and dont take into account the WHOLE counsel of God, but its a difference between small things like that and MASSIVE weird ideas like this.
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Please bear with this sort of long response. I believe you will deem it both appropriate and helpful.
Now that I have gained a better understanding of this CTS heresy, please allow me to explain it a little more in detail so others can grasp it, see why it is erroneous, where it is coming from, and why it distorts the one true Gospel of Christ. This information was gathered through reading and through comparing the teachings of PB’s with Scripture.
For the record “PB” means Primitive Baptist(s). “CTS” means “Conditional Time Salvation.”
When the PB churches came about via a split with the now Missionary Baptist side there was a campaign to further their "anti-means" “gospel” which was brought to light. This came about around the time William Carey became a missionary to India and was rebuked by the PB “church” with a statement similar to this; “If God wants to convert the heathen he will do it without you!”
By necessity there then came reason to assault the preaching of the true Gospel which God determined to use to save souls; Romans 1:16; James 1:12, 1 Peter 1:18-25; Romans 10:11-21. It must then be turned into something else altogether.
Please take time to read or reacquaint yourself with the above texts with an understanding that the PB will now attempt to distort their true meanings, change definitions &c.
Why? All this must be done because the PB now sees that many texts of Scripture must be reinterpreted in order for the PB “anti-means” “gospel” to survive. The PB knows that means are used in the Gospel, while denying it at the same time (depending upon what they want it to mean in any given circumstance). The meaning of the Gospel must either be changed or they will need to recant their “anti-means” “gospel.” The PB knows that once “anti-means” is disproven, and it is, their gospel will be found to be false. That is the point and objective of this entire response, to show their “anti-means” “gospel” as false and to proclaim and defend the true; Philippians 1:7, 16; Jude 4.
What does the “anti-means” gospel entail? The issue at hand is that to the PB God does not use any means to accomplish eternal salvation, it is all done mystically. To the PB preaching the Gospel is then not necessary for “eternal salvation” because God has already given eternal salvation to everyone he determines to save. Mission work to this end is to the PB “unbiblical,” as they only preach “for the love of fame” (thank you Sackcloth-N-Ashes for bringing this to our attention). Scripture that proves otherwise must fall under another interpretation. Therefore the meaning of salvation in the NT and even the Gospel itself is not immune to being reinterpreted, mitigated and attacked.
In addition to this some Scriptures must be taken to extreme misinterpretation and misapplication. One favorite text for such a misusage is 1 Corinthians 2:14. This misused text is foundational for them in order for the PB to prove “anti-means” teaching. The PB uses this text to “prove” that the person who has any kind of “spirituality,” has any “spiritual life” believes in any sort of god, afterlife, “heaven” or “hell” must have received this mystically through God and are therefore declared “eternally saved” by the PB.
This is why the PB now sees “eternal salvation” in the heathen everywhere. Any type of spirituality seen in tribal groups, Eastern Mysticism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Native Americans &c is then construed as “regeneration,” “conversion” “eternal salvation” without them ever hearing the Gospel. They have to do this again for one main reason: to prove their “anti-means” “gospel”. Any belief in an afterlife, a god, anything spiritual along these lines automatically places them “into heaven” and as converted. To the PB these people are on their way to heaven. It is of no matter that they reject Christ, hate God, may hate and reject the Gospel, have no understanding of the Gospel or even know that they are even “eternally saved.” They’ll simply be amazed by it all “when they get to heaven.” This systematically denies justification by faith, and is therefore a false gospel.
The PB’s call this teaching “attractive” and such a false gospel is; it lends itself to the carnal desires of men. Many theological issues arise because of this “attractive” teaching such as antinomianism, mitigation of sanctification, mysticism, special revelation &c but that is too much to get into here and now. My point is to show why CTS is heresy, where it came from, and that the true Gospel is to eternal life, not temporary salvation “in time.” Please note 2 Timothy 2:8-10 shows plainly this gospel is to “eternal glory in Christ.” This is the means of the Gospel of Christ; eternal salvation wrought through the preaching of the Gospel, something the church has always believed and preached.
But we must go back and see that this is not the meaning of the text of 1 Corinthians 2:14 nor its intent as used above by the PB.
One can see the extreme extent of which the PB misuses the text.
The text instead shows natural men outside the Gospel are lost, are in need of eternal salvation, and that through the preaching of Gospel these men can come to believe the truth. This is shown in other texts of Scripture. God opens hearts and understanding through the preaching of the Gospel; Matthew 11:25-10; Acts 16:14; 2 Corinthian 4:1-5; Luke 24: 32, 45; Job 33:16; 1 John 5:20 &c. 1 Corinthians 2:14 is therefore not teaching that men cannot be affected by hearing the Gospel and thereby be saved eternally. Please note the context of 2:14 begins in chapter 1, that 2:14 should not be divorced from that context, and note especially verse 10. Paul is not speaking of some mystical salvation devoid of the Gospel, but of eternal salvation via the Gospel. It is not teaching that the only reason a person believes the Gospel, or the PB “gospel” is because they were already “eternally saved.” That is absurd. It is not the teaching of the text, yet every text of Scripture must be reinterpreted and fall under PB CTS teaching in order to assault these known truths.
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Now that I have gained a better understanding of this CTS heresy, please allow me to explain it a little more in detail so others can grasp it, see why it is erroneous, where it is coming from, and why it distorts the one true Gospel of Christ. This information was gathered through reading and through comparing the teachings of PB’s with Scripture.
For the record “PB” means Primitive Baptist(s). “CTS” means “Conditional Time Salvation.”
When the PB churches came about via a split with the now Missionary Baptist side there was a campaign to further their "anti-means" “gospel” which was brought to light. This came about around the time William Carey became a missionary to India and was rebuked by the PB “church” with a statement similar to this; “If God wants to convert the heathen he will do it without you!”
By necessity there then came reason to assault the preaching of the true Gospel which God determined to use to save souls; Romans 1:16; James 1:12, 1 Peter 1:18-25; Romans 10:11-21. It must then be turned into something else altogether.
Please take time to read or reacquaint yourself with the above texts with an understanding that the PB will now attempt to distort their true meanings, change definitions &c.
Why? All this must be done because the PB now sees that many texts of Scripture must be reinterpreted in order for the PB “anti-means” “gospel” to survive. The PB knows that means are used in the Gospel, while denying it at the same time (depending upon what they want it to mean in any given circumstance). The meaning of the Gospel must either be changed or they will need to recant their “anti-means” “gospel.” The PB knows that once “anti-means” is disproven, and it is, their gospel will be found to be false. That is the point and objective of this entire response, to show their “anti-means” “gospel” as false and to proclaim and defend the true; Philippians 1:7, 16; Jude 4.
What does the “anti-means” gospel entail? The issue at hand is that to the PB God does not use any means to accomplish eternal salvation, it is all done mystically. To the PB preaching the Gospel is then not necessary for “eternal salvation” because God has already given eternal salvation to everyone he determines to save. Mission work to this end is to the PB “unbiblical,” as they only preach “for the love of fame” (thank you Sackcloth-N-Ashes for bringing this to our attention). Scripture that proves otherwise must fall under another interpretation. Therefore the meaning of salvation in the NT and even the Gospel itself is not immune to being reinterpreted, mitigated and attacked.
In addition to this some Scriptures must be taken to extreme misinterpretation and misapplication. One favorite text for such a misusage is 1 Corinthians 2:14. This misused text is foundational for them in order for the PB to prove “anti-means” teaching. The PB uses this text to “prove” that the person who has any kind of “spirituality,” has any “spiritual life” believes in any sort of god, afterlife, “heaven” or “hell” must have received this mystically through God and are therefore declared “eternally saved” by the PB.
This is why the PB now sees “eternal salvation” in the heathen everywhere. Any type of spirituality seen in tribal groups, Eastern Mysticism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Native Americans &c is then construed as “regeneration,” “conversion” “eternal salvation” without them ever hearing the Gospel. They have to do this again for one main reason: to prove their “anti-means” “gospel”. Any belief in an afterlife, a god, anything spiritual along these lines automatically places them “into heaven” and as converted. To the PB these people are on their way to heaven. It is of no matter that they reject Christ, hate God, may hate and reject the Gospel, have no understanding of the Gospel or even know that they are even “eternally saved.” They’ll simply be amazed by it all “when they get to heaven.” This systematically denies justification by faith, and is therefore a false gospel.
The PB’s call this teaching “attractive” and such a false gospel is; it lends itself to the carnal desires of men. Many theological issues arise because of this “attractive” teaching such as antinomianism, mitigation of sanctification, mysticism, special revelation &c but that is too much to get into here and now. My point is to show why CTS is heresy, where it came from, and that the true Gospel is to eternal life, not temporary salvation “in time.” Please note 2 Timothy 2:8-10 shows plainly this gospel is to “eternal glory in Christ.” This is the means of the Gospel of Christ; eternal salvation wrought through the preaching of the Gospel, something the church has always believed and preached.
But we must go back and see that this is not the meaning of the text of 1 Corinthians 2:14 nor its intent as used above by the PB.
One can see the extreme extent of which the PB misuses the text.
The text instead shows natural men outside the Gospel are lost, are in need of eternal salvation, and that through the preaching of Gospel these men can come to believe the truth. This is shown in other texts of Scripture. God opens hearts and understanding through the preaching of the Gospel; Matthew 11:25-10; Acts 16:14; 2 Corinthian 4:1-5; Luke 24: 32, 45; Job 33:16; 1 John 5:20 &c. 1 Corinthians 2:14 is therefore not teaching that men cannot be affected by hearing the Gospel and thereby be saved eternally. Please note the context of 2:14 begins in chapter 1, that 2:14 should not be divorced from that context, and note especially verse 10. Paul is not speaking of some mystical salvation devoid of the Gospel, but of eternal salvation via the Gospel. It is not teaching that the only reason a person believes the Gospel, or the PB “gospel” is because they were already “eternally saved.” That is absurd. It is not the teaching of the text, yet every text of Scripture must be reinterpreted and fall under PB CTS teaching in order to assault these known truths.
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The fact remains that God does use means to save his people eternally, and that is through the glorious Gospel of Christ and through its preaching. This use of means is not out of the ordinary with God. Throughout history God has used man to accomplish his will in many varying circumstances. The fact we have a Bible to read is because God used man as the means to record it. God used human means to bring forth His Son through the lineage of David and Mary his mother. God uses human means to judge nations, i.e. Israel. God uses men as means to human authority on earth, Romans 13. God uses men as the means to preach the Gospel of eternal salvation. There are many more examples of God using man as a means to accomplish his purposes so it is no surprise God has determined to use man to preach the Gospel to convert the lost. Paul has made this very clear in his magnum opus Romans, in 1 Corinthians and throughout his epistles.
We come then to the assault on the Gospel and the fact that the PB must now change the meaning of “salvation” to something else in the NT to protect its “anti-means” “gospel.” The PB knows that if they do not do this their “anti-means” “gospel” is disproven. The texts that are plain must be turned into a different meaning altogether.
One can then put together in their mind a list of things that must by necessity be changed in Scripture in order to continue to support this false gospel. If a lie is made, then other lies must also be made in order to continue and propagate a false narrative, and in this case a false gospel narrative.
What PB “theology” has done is to change the plain meaning of salvation into a temporary deliverance to those who are and who are not already “converted.” (Some PB’s teach that even the non-eternally saved can have a temporary in this life only “salvation” through their “gospel.”)
Why must the PB do this? Due to the fact that within texts of Scripture we see that God uses means to save his people eternally; Romans 10:11-21 &c. This is done via preaching, by calling the sinner to believe and repent, through God granting the spiritually dead eternal life by faith in Christ.
For this very reason these things (repentance and faith) must be construed into a work of man in PB doctrine, and since “eternal salvation” is not a work of man therefore Gospel salvation must be some “other kind of salvation.” Scripture must succumb to PB teaching, the PB will not succumb to Scripture.
“Anti-means” has been set in stone by the PB though it is contrary to the revelation of Scripture. It is their pivotal teaching, and all cult groups have at least one. Scripture is turned on its head.
One reason they do this is due to the belief that God cannot command man to do something he cannot do. But he does do this. Note Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead as an example; John 11. The valley of the dry bones in Ezekiel 37:1-14 is another example. Commanding the cripples to walk is another illustration of this with a spiritual significance; John 5:8 &c. Ephesians 2:1-10 where we see God speaks of quickening those now saved. This is done even while we were dead in sin. This is another example, noting that this was an imperative given them in their lost state through the preaching of the Gospel to repent and believe. The context of this is of course Ephesians 1, and the means for this is plainly the Gospel of Christ; Ephesians 1:13ff. There is of course the command to keep the law which no man could ever do.
But what of the PB argument that repentance and faith are “works” and therefore since we are not saved by works this salvation must mean something else? It must be noted that faith and repentance are the work of God in man, not a work of man, thus the call to repent and believe is a spiritual call which God accomplishes within the believer. To say this would make salvation by works is false, falls short of the truth, is a glaring error, and a misnomer. Belief is “the work of God” not the work of man; John 6:29; Ephesians 1:19; James 1:18; Acts 3:16. This is foundational, this is where PB CTS is proven in error and shown that at its very foundation it is faulty, their claim that this would be a works salvation falls flat on its face in light of Scripture. The PB will go to any extreme to discredit Gospel means of eternal salvation in order to protect its CTS and “anti-means” heresy.
Finally nowhere in the history of the church has this PB CTS and “anti-means” “gospel” ever been taught. It is a teaching that began and was limited to the United States among PB’s. It is at the least “special revelation” given only to them, is most definitely a false gospel and neo-Gnostic at its core. If it is being taught anywhere else it came from the USA and from PB’s specifically. It is not supported in Scripture nor in Christian orthodoxy and must be rejected.
The point is it cannot be traced throughout church history, cannot be found spoken of by the apostles, and no text of Scripture speaks of any type of gospel of temporary salvation being preached in the NT.
We can see plainly then that this PB CTS ”anti-means” “gospel” is an aberration, is completely false and must be rejected.
It is my hope that this will help each of us see more clearly the error of this system, understand why PB proponents teach the things they do while making us more capable of combating this false gospel with the truth of Scripture.
May God bless each of you who took the time to read this. Thank you.
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The fact remains that God does use means to save his people eternally, and that is through the glorious Gospel of Christ and through its preaching. This use of means is not out of the ordinary with God. Throughout history God has used man to accomplish his will in many varying circumstances. The fact we have a Bible to read is because God used man as the means to record it. God used human means to bring forth His Son through the lineage of David and Mary his mother. God uses human means to judge nations, i.e. Israel. God uses men as means to human authority on earth, Romans 13. God uses men as the means to preach the Gospel of eternal salvation. There are many more examples of God using man as a means to accomplish his purposes so it is no surprise God has determined to use man to preach the Gospel to convert the lost. Paul has made this very clear in his magnum opus Romans, in 1 Corinthians and throughout his epistles.
We come then to the assault on the Gospel and the fact that the PB must now change the meaning of “salvation” to something else in the NT to protect its “anti-means” “gospel.” The PB knows that if they do not do this their “anti-means” “gospel” is disproven. The texts that are plain must be turned into a different meaning altogether.
One can then put together in their mind a list of things that must by necessity be changed in Scripture in order to continue to support this false gospel. If a lie is made, then other lies must also be made in order to continue and propagate a false narrative, and in this case a false gospel narrative.
What PB “theology” has done is to change the plain meaning of salvation into a temporary deliverance to those who are and who are not already “converted.” (Some PB’s teach that even the non-eternally saved can have a temporary in this life only “salvation” through their “gospel.”)
Why must the PB do this? Due to the fact that within texts of Scripture we see that God uses means to save his people eternally; Romans 10:11-21 &c. This is done via preaching, by calling the sinner to believe and repent, through God granting the spiritually dead eternal life by faith in Christ.
For this very reason these things (repentance and faith) must be construed into a work of man in PB doctrine, and since “eternal salvation” is not a work of man therefore Gospel salvation must be some “other kind of salvation.” Scripture must succumb to PB teaching, the PB will not succumb to Scripture.
“Anti-means” has been set in stone by the PB though it is contrary to the revelation of Scripture. It is their pivotal teaching, and all cult groups have at least one. Scripture is turned on its head.
One reason they do this is due to the belief that God cannot command man to do something he cannot do. But he does do this. Note Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead as an example; John 11. The valley of the dry bones in Ezekiel 37:1-14 is another example. Commanding the cripples to walk is another illustration of this with a spiritual significance; John 5:8 &c. Ephesians 2:1-10 where we see God speaks of quickening those now saved. This is done even while we were dead in sin. This is another example, noting that this was an imperative given them in their lost state through the preaching of the Gospel to repent and believe. The context of this is of course Ephesians 1, and the means for this is plainly the Gospel of Christ; Ephesians 1:13ff. There is of course the command to keep the law which no man could ever do.
But what of the PB argument that repentance and faith are “works” and therefore since we are not saved by works this salvation must mean something else? It must be noted that faith and repentance are the work of God in man, not a work of man, thus the call to repent and believe is a spiritual call which God accomplishes within the believer. To say this would make salvation by works is false, falls short of the truth, is a glaring error, and a misnomer. Belief is “the work of God” not the work of man; John 6:29; Ephesians 1:19; James 1:18; Acts 3:16. This is foundational, this is where PB CTS is proven in error and shown that at its very foundation it is faulty, their claim that this would be a works salvation falls flat on its face in light of Scripture. The PB will go to any extreme to discredit Gospel means of eternal salvation in order to protect its CTS and “anti-means” heresy.
Finally nowhere in the history of the church has this PB CTS and “anti-means” “gospel” ever been taught. It is a teaching that began and was limited to the United States among PB’s. It is at the least “special revelation” given only to them, is most definitely a false gospel and neo-Gnostic at its core. If it is being taught anywhere else it came from the USA and from PB’s specifically. It is not supported in Scripture nor in Christian orthodoxy and must be rejected.
The point is it cannot be traced throughout church history, cannot be found spoken of by the apostles, and no text of Scripture speaks of any type of gospel of temporary salvation being preached in the NT.
We can see plainly then that this PB CTS ”anti-means” “gospel” is an aberration, is completely false and must be rejected.
It is my hope that this will help each of us see more clearly the error of this system, understand why PB proponents teach the things they do while making us more capable of combating this false gospel with the truth of Scripture.
May God bless each of you who took the time to read this. Thank you.
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What do we do with all these:
Jer 23:21
I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they prophesied.
Jeremiah 14:14
"The prophets are prophesying lies in My name," the LORD replied. "I did not send them or appoint them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a false vision, a worthless divination, the futility and delusion of their own minds.
Jeremiah 23:32
"Indeed," declares the LORD, "I am against those who prophesy false dreams they tell to lead My people astray with their reckless lies. It was not I who sent or commanded them, and they are of no benefit at all to these people," declares the LORD.
Jeremiah 27:14
Do not listen to the words of the prophets who tell you, 'You must not serve the king of Babylon,' for they are prophesying to you a lie.
15 For I have not sent them,' declares the LORD, 'and yet they are prophesying falsely in My name; therefore I will banish you and you will perish--you and the prophets who prophesy to you.'"
Jeremiah 29:8
For this is what the LORD of Hosts, the God of Israel, says: 'Do not be deceived by the prophets and diviners among you, and do not listen to the dreams you elicit from them
Jeremiah 5:31
The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their own authority. My people love it so, but what will you do in the end?"
Jer 23:21
I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they prophesied.
Jeremiah 14:14
"The prophets are prophesying lies in My name," the LORD replied. "I did not send them or appoint them or speak to them. They are prophesying to you a false vision, a worthless divination, the futility and delusion of their own minds.
Jeremiah 23:32
"Indeed," declares the LORD, "I am against those who prophesy false dreams they tell to lead My people astray with their reckless lies. It was not I who sent or commanded them, and they are of no benefit at all to these people," declares the LORD.
Jeremiah 27:14
Do not listen to the words of the prophets who tell you, 'You must not serve the king of Babylon,' for they are prophesying to you a lie.
15 For I have not sent them,' declares the LORD, 'and yet they are prophesying falsely in My name; therefore I will banish you and you will perish--you and the prophets who prophesy to you.'"
Jeremiah 29:8
For this is what the LORD of Hosts, the God of Israel, says: 'Do not be deceived by the prophets and diviners among you, and do not listen to the dreams you elicit from them
Jeremiah 5:31
The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their own authority. My people love it so, but what will you do in the end?"
John 12:47 - And if any man hear my voice, and believe not, I judge him not; for I came not to judge the world,(God's sheep), but to save (deliver them from a lack of knowledge) the world (the elect which are God's sheep). Matt 10:5-6 - These 12 Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any cities of the Samaritans, enter ye not, But go ye rather to the lost sheep (if they are sheep, they are God's children) of the house of Israel (house of Jacob because God changed Jacob's name to be called Israel which represents God's elect) and as ye go preach, saying, the The kingdom of heaven (which is the visible church) is at hand. Matt 15:24 - But Jesus answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.