Is God that cruel?

[pottersclay]

Let.s say you have a son..and he did something terible, hurt someone or broke something...you as a parent, would you send him to burn in hell for eternity because of that?...i guess not, cause he's your son and you love him...so i ask you..how could God punish people with an eternity in hell because of their sins...God, who is pure love...he could to that? Isn.t that a little cruel?

Why your absolutely right, it is cruel. And if this were God who are we that could stop him? All have sinned (done bad things) and come short of his glory. Why he could trash the whole world and justifiably so.
But friend he chose not to and that cost him his own son. By that grace that he displayed on Calvary he has given us forgiveness, and he has given us the power to become son's and daughters of the most high God. That's the message you have missed.
God isn't against you he's for you....for even yet while we were sinners, mockers, scorners, fit for that fire you talk about Christ died for us. It doesn't have to be that way in fact God's thoughts toward you are precious each and every day.

 

[p_rehbein]

Well..as you can see..everything is dual, dark and light, cold and warmt, good and bad..and that makes me believe that God is dual too..that he is good and evil at the same time. Otherwise how do you explain evil..how it appeared? If not created by God..cause he is the alpha and omega.(who put the pride in Lucifer's heart?...it wasn't born of anything i'm sure)
I don't know the answer to this either..because God is too big and complex for some intelectual animals like us to understand..in the state we find ourself now, full of ego. But i'm sure we can descover more and more if we seek Him..and to do that we must descover ourself first "Man, know yourself and you will know the Universe and the Gods."

At least you answered, and, goodness.......


oooooooooooo, noooooooooooo,

 

[p_rehbein]

My point in what i was saying is that..it seems absurd to me that God only created us to live just one life..no other chances to get better. For example there are a lot of kids who die as babies, or 5-6 yrs old and they not even get the chance to live..to know God. How is that possible? Why they haven't got the chance to live?..What is going to happen to them?

JUST speaking of children..............THEY WILL LIVE FOREVER WITH HIM!

 

[Nekka]

All of this reference to everything having "duality" is common in Buddhist teachings. Buddhism falls under the umbrella of new age. The only duality taught biblically is the war of the inner self between flesh and spirit of one that has been saved.

And this line "Man, know yourself and you will know the Universe and the Gods."
I'm not sure the basis of it but a quick search brought up freemasonry, not biblical, and gnosticism, also not biblical.

Another quick search I discovered that line comes from the Temple of Delphi. An ancient Greek religious temple to the pagan god Apollos. Or what is commonly known as Mythology.

So you're using eastern philosophy mixed with ancient paganism which is utilized by "esoteric freemasons" and agnostics, among others.
It's safe to say whatever your starting point is it's not a Christian or biblical one.


And I just spotted where you essentially dismissed the bible. People like you I always see as the lowest. Rather than coming to the site honest and open you sneak in the shadows until your own words expose you. You don't even have the capacity to be brave enough to reveal who you really are. Utter cowardice. Zero respect for such an individual. Such a waste of time.

I was raised in a christian church..but as child i never question anything because i was thought that my religion is the right one, the right way. But as i grow up some things I noticed have no logic, parts of the Bible that contradict each other....so I wasn't so sure of it anymore. And i start to asking questions. And no one from the church could give me a solid answer. And yes..i started to search for answers in other cultures..in gnosticism. But I have the impression that you don't know much about it, so please measure your words before you speak. Gnosis doesn't deny the Bible, on the contrary, it even refers to many passages in the Bible. Let me give an example, i was talking about reincarnation, so here are some passages to prove it: Matthew 11:14-15 "And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.Whoever has ears, let them hear." Matthew 17:11,12,13, " Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist."
I didn't "sneak" here to try to convert somebody, or what else you think about me...I was hoping that i could find some good answers and opinion about my believes from the "children of God" as you call yourself...But most of you answered very badly and rude as if I tried to attack you in some way. Everybody has free will as you all said. So don't judge me for what i believe in and call it paganism.

 

[p_rehbein]

God is a Just God. He doesn't send folks to eternal damnation, they CHOOSE eternal damnation by denying Him.

Don't blame God for being Just...........blame the folks who deny Him for being stupid

I guess I should have "blame the FOOLS who deny Him."

STUPID:

: slow of mind : OBTUSE
b: given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner
c: lacking intelligence or reason : BRUTISH
airhead, birdbrain, blockhead, bonehead, bubblehead, chowderhead, chucklehead,clodpoll (or clodpole), clot [British], cluck, clunk, cretin, cuddy (or cuddie) [British dialect], deadhead, dim bulb [slang], dimwit, dip, dodo, dolt, donkey, doofus [slang],dope, dork [slang], dullard, dum-dum, dumbbell, dumbhead, dummkopf, dummy,

FOOL:

airhead, birdbrain, blockhead, bonehead, bubblehead, chowderhead, chucklehead,clodpoll (or clodpole), clot [British], cluck, clunk, cretin, cuddy (or cuddie) [British dialect], deadhead, dim bulb [slang], dimwit, dip, dodo, dolt, donkey, doofus [slang],dope, dork [slang], dullard, dum-dum, dumbbell, dumbhead, dummkopf, dummy,

1. One who is deficient in judgment, sense, or understanding.
2. One who acts unwisely on a given occasion


And, of course, Scripture would have proved me right:

Psalm 14:1) (To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

 

[p_rehbein]

I was raised in a christian church..but as child i never question anything because i was thought that my religion is the right one, the right way. But as i grow up some things I noticed have no logic, parts of the Bible that contradict each other....so I wasn't so sure of it anymore. And i start to asking questions. And no one from the church could give me a solid answer. And yes..i started to search for answers in other cultures..in gnosticism. But I have the impression that you don't know much about it, so please measure your words before you speak. Gnosis doesn't deny the Bible, on the contrary, it even refers to many passages in the Bible. Let me give an example, i was talking about reincarnation, so here are some passages to prove it: Matthew 11:14-15 "And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.Whoever has ears, let them hear." Matthew 17:11,12,13, " Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist."
I didn't "sneak" here to try to convert somebody, or what else you think about me...I was hoping that i could find some good answers and opinion about my believes from the "children of God" as you call yourself...But most of you answered very badly and rude as if I tried to attack you in some way. Everybody has free will as you all said. So don't judge me for what i believe in and call it paganism.

uh, I don't think those Scriptures mean what you want them to mean...........and, you kinda attacked God, not us............but your OP was so confusing, as have been many of your responses, it's like WHUT?

And, by the way, you have been given answers, they just were not the answers you wanted, right?

It is kinda rude to speak of God as you have, how would you expect those who love and respect Him to respond?

Mayhaps, you should try another thread, and another subject.......this one is a loss.......

 

[Lillywolf]

You all don't see that the title i put is ironic....I don't think that God is cruel

Maybe you should ask a moderator of this particular board to add a ? to your thread title.
It's clearly a question but maybe it actually needs the ? for clarity.

 

[Lillywolf]

I'm going to begin with a secular answer by saying people choose their own path. It is a well-known fact that people are happiest among their own kind. Birds of a feather flock together. Would a wicked person be happy in heaven or would they prefer the company of their own kind? Some choose Christ who will forgive our sins if we truly repent. Others reject Christ. We have that choice and we each choose our own path, one leads to hell, the other to heaven. The son in your question makes his own choice but like the prodigal son, he can always return to the Father. It is HIS choice and his alone and if they chose Christ, he will welcome the sinner with open arms. Just do not blame God when people choose differently. It is not God's fault that people reject Him. So don't blame God for that persons wickedness.

Your formula of course implicates first the Christians that flock together.
Though they really don't do they? Not as they should as the Ekklesia. Witness even in this forum those who insist brick and mortar structures are the church. And are imperative! When God said no such thing. The denominational forumla and the creedal system divide the church.
Mark 3:24-26 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end.


According to Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there exist roughly 43,000 Christian denominations worldwide in 2012. That is up from 500 in 1800 and 39,000 in 2008 and this number is expected to grow to 55,000 by 2025. [SOURCE-Further Reading]

 

[garee]

Yes...the bible just tells you what to do, to became a better person ..but it doesn't show you how to do it. It tells you "be good" but doesn.t show you how[/QUOTE

Did you mean show you how to obey by doing the good commandments ? What wrong with just do it ? Seeing it is God who works in us to both will and perform his good pleasure.

 

[garee]

Because..it has more sense to me...and no one could convince me otherwise...they don't have any argumenst against it

It has make sense as a law not subject to change not a philosophy of men

God's law has a argument to make against the philosophies of men that pass away when the person does.

Corrupted flesh and blood could never enter the new creation, heaven and earth . A man or woman must be born of the incorruptible seed as it is written.

1 Corinthians 15:53-54 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever

 

[presidente]

Let.s say you have a son..and he did something terible, hurt someone or broke something...you as a parent, would you send him to burn in hell for eternity because of that?...i guess not, cause he's your son and you love him...so i ask you..how could God punish people with an eternity in hell because of their sins...God, who is pure love...he could to that? Isn.t that a little cruel?

Suppose there were some thug who was not a part of you family. He insulted you, violated your rights and did terrible things to you. Imagine he killed your son then mocked him.

You offer to forgive him and adopt him as a son, but he gave you the finger and said no.

 

[Lillywolf]

All of this reference to everything having "duality" is common in Buddhist teachings.

Buddhism has nothing to do with this discussion whatever.
Isaiah 45 There is God and no other. God, the Holy Spirit, is creator of all things All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. That would mean the darkness and the light. The evil and the good.

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.


John 1:3
All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.




John 15:16 You did not chose Me, but I chose you.
5. The 6 chapters of Ephesians (155 verses)
Ephesians chapter 1 (23 verses) - Before creating the world, God chose who to bless and save

 

[Lillywolf]

Suppose there were some thug who was not a part of you family. He insulted you, violated your rights and did terrible things to you. Imagine he killed your son then mocked him.

You offer to forgive him and adopt him as a son, but he gave you the finger and said no.

Imagine instead if he said yes.
Would you sleep in peace with that under your roof? Being who he was then moving in was the same one as did all those evil things prior.

 

[Lillywolf]

Did you mean show you how to obey by doing the good commandments ? What wrong with just do it ? Seeing it is God who works in us to both will and perform his good pleasure.

Are you aware there are those, even in this community, that insist the laws of God no longer apply? Which would include those good commands that were extant before Sinai.

 

[Endoscopy]

How can they choose when God chose those by name for salvation before the world, and the salvation principle, came to exist?

When God set creation in action He knew the end from the beginning. He didn't force people but just foreknew what they would choose to do. That is a significant difference. They chose!!

 

[garee]

Are you aware there are those, even in this community, that insist the laws of God no longer apply? Which would include those good commands that were extant before Sinai.

I am aware of that kind of approach to the gospel. But scripture is clear. Not one jot or tittle will be removed as long as we live in the realm under the Sun.

If they cut off the law they cut off their own foot. For it is the law that quickens our souls and gives us the understanding of Him not seen. Sometime people forget there are two kinds of law that make up the one law of God.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[garee]

When God set creation in action He knew the end from the beginning. He didn't force people but just foreknew what they would choose to do. That is a significant difference. They chose!!

They can chose because it is God who works in them to both will and perform his good pleasure. No God working in a person, no choice, no faith.

 

[PS]

Your formula of course implicates first the Christians that flock together.
Though they really don't do they? Not as they should as the Ekklesia. Witness even in this forum those who insist brick and mortar structures are the church. And are imperative! When God said no such thing. The denominational forumla and the creedal system divide the church.
Mark 3:24-26 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand. And if Satan has risen up against himself and is divided, he cannot stand, but is coming to an end.


According to Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, there exist roughly 43,000 Christian denominations worldwide in 2012. That is up from 500 in 1800 and 39,000 in 2008 and this number is expected to grow to 55,000 by 2025. [SOURCE-Further Reading]

Hello, you are right. Bricks and mortar do not go to heaven. The apostle Paul very humbly and with great regret said, "I persecuted the church of God" 1Co 15:9. He did not persecute buildings, he persecuted the people who followed Jesus.

"The Lord knows those who are his" and "Those who say that they belong to the Lord must turn away from wrongdoing." (2Ti 2:19 GNB)

Blessings.

 

[Lillywolf]

They can chose because it is God who works in them to both will and perform his good pleasure. No God working in a person, no choice, no faith.

That makes God sound like a pool player making shots as he pleases. And we are the balls.

Or/

 

[PS]

Are you aware there are those, even in this community, that insist the laws of God no longer apply? Which would include those good commands that were extant before Sinai.

Those who follow Jesus every step of the way, and keep HIS commandments in spirit and truth, will hear the words, "Well done my good and faithful servant." How come? Because "Jesus is LORD" (Rom 10:9) of both the Old and New Testaments.