Not By Works
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Hi ReturnToGod please show the forum where dcontroversal said or implied the words highlighted in your post; "if works and faith are completely divorced", dcontroversal never said or even implied these words why? Because he knows as well as all of us know that; "works are evidence that a true Christian is born again.
In addition no Christian believes that you can, "act anyway you please," after you are saved, this is a non sequitur and flat out a lie.
Please support what you claim in your post by proving proof that dcontroversal said these things.
You know he never said these things and you are putting words in his mouth. It is shameful to carry stories about another Christian that are not true an you should truly apologies.
In addition no Christian believes that you can, "act anyway you please," after you are saved, this is a non sequitur and flat out a lie.
Please support what you claim in your post by proving proof that dcontroversal said these things.
You know he never said these things and you are putting words in his mouth. It is shameful to carry stories about another Christian that are not true an you should truly apologies.
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John 4:10 (NCV)
10 Jesus said, “If you only knew the free gift of God and who it is that is asking you for water, you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.“
John 4:14 (NCV)
14 but whoever drinks the water I give will never be thirsty. The water I give will become a spring of water gushing up inside that person, giving eternal life.“
Romans 6:23 (NASB)
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 5:16 (NCV)
16 After Adam sinned once, he was judged guilty. But the gift of God is different. God’s free gift came after many sins, and it makes people right with God.
Ephesians 1:6 (NCV)
6 and it brings praise to God because of his wonderful grace. God gave that grace to us freely, in Christ, the One he loves.
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One more thing ReturnToGod, the people on this forum and in particular this thread "Not By Works" are very loving and forgiving. I have made false statements in the past on this thread and admitted I was wrong and then sought reconciliation. Folks here were cheerful to accept me back into the fellowship.
What kind of character does that reveal about you to just give up and say, "I'm done."
Zachariah8:16
"These are the things you must do: Speak truth to one another, render true and sound decisions in your gates,"
What kind of character does that reveal about you to just give up and say, "I'm done."
Zachariah8:16
"These are the things you must do: Speak truth to one another, render true and sound decisions in your gates,"
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You may not know this, but I too have noticed some POSTS get posted right after you download the REPLY from another person before you GET to comment on it. You had 3 back to back like that. THERE IS AN OPTION TO DELETE THE POST when that happens, but the same 5 minute edit rules applies. Down on the bottom row is the DELETE OPTION next to the EDIT button.
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I agree with all this, but as i mentioned in another post, i am unaware of virtually any continuous present reference to sanctification. It is almost universally represented in the Aorist tense meaning a one time event.
Brother no problem; thank you for reaching out. Even though i have some ideas of what Calvin and Arminius stand for, I study neither. I study scripture and the underlying language. I have attended churches (Baptist, Calvary, Church of Christ, AOG, Foursquare, etc) for years so I cannot speak to YOUR beliefs but i can speak to what is taught and what other believers tell me. We are living in the era of the Laodicean Church. The evidence is all around us and it is GENERALLY supported by sound bite teaching from the pulpit. Furthermore, if you will research what early church fathers believed you will find that it differs from the reformers. You may want to consider "A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs: A Reference Guide to More than 700 Topics Discussed by the Early Church Fathers." if you have not already read it. Those in the intermediate church age were also different. I will re-look at your points and address them point by point IF YOU WISH. If you aren't interested in hearing that no problem but all I believe comes from scripture and not men. In short, we see all sorts of Christians living in willful sin (and of course there are others that aren't) because of modern teachings. Consider even this research from George Barna: http://freshlightsource.com/believers/whypastorsnottellingtruth.html
Brother no problem; thank you for reaching out. Even though i have some ideas of what Calvin and Arminius stand for, I study neither. I study scripture and the underlying language. I have attended churches (Baptist, Calvary, Church of Christ, AOG, Foursquare, etc) for years so I cannot speak to YOUR beliefs but i can speak to what is taught and what other believers tell me. We are living in the era of the Laodicean Church. The evidence is all around us and it is GENERALLY supported by sound bite teaching from the pulpit. Furthermore, if you will research what early church fathers believed you will find that it differs from the reformers. You may want to consider "A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs: A Reference Guide to More than 700 Topics Discussed by the Early Church Fathers." if you have not already read it. Those in the intermediate church age were also different. I will re-look at your points and address them point by point IF YOU WISH. If you aren't interested in hearing that no problem but all I believe comes from scripture and not men. In short, we see all sorts of Christians living in willful sin (and of course there are others that aren't) because of modern teachings. Consider even this research from George Barna: http://freshlightsource.com/believers/whypastorsnottellingtruth.html
I TOLD YOU THAT IS A TOTAL FALSE STATEMENT. And associated Works with SALVATION is a False Gospel.That is number TWO, so next time you go on my IGNORE LIST.
Please TRY to grasp SPIRITUAL IMPLICATIONS, that a BORN AGAIN Human Spirit has GOD'S LOVE SOWN INTO IT AS THE FERTILE SEED in our HEARTS (Human Spirit); therefore your LOGICAL IMPLICATIONS does not matter, BECAUSE GOD's LOVE over rides LOGIC every time. HE USES THAT LOVE HE had the Holy Spirit Pour Into our HEARTS, to produce OBEDIENCE OUT OF PURE LOVE.
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I think you can make that claim but again what Romans 8:1 may not say in the newer versions, is essentially replicated in Romans 8:4 in all versions. The claim is the same in Galatians 6:7-9. Live by the spirit (not simply be indwelt) and you will inherit eternal life. Live by the flesh and we won't. Also as you say, there are no chapters and verses in the original manuscripts which i am sure you know but there is a strong condemnation against sinning in Chapter 6.
One more thing ReturnToGod, the people on this forum and in particular this thread "Not By Works" are very loving and forgiving. I have made false statements in the past on this thread and admitted I was wrong and then sought reconciliation. Folks here were cheerful to accept me back into the fellowship.
What kind of character does that reveal about you to just give up and say, "I'm done."
Zachariah8:16
"These are the things you must do: Speak truth to one another, render true and sound decisions in your gates,"
What kind of character does that reveal about you to just give up and say, "I'm done."
Zachariah8:16
"These are the things you must do: Speak truth to one another, render true and sound decisions in your gates,"
God commands us to abide in Him. I trust in God also first and foremost. If you are trusting in God while living in rebellion to Him good luck. If you are trying to be faithful, your trust will not be misplaced.
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
ACCORDING the BLUE LETTER BIBLE, your definition of Aorist Tense is IN ERROR.
The Aorist Tense
This tense is hardly a tense at all. It describes indefinite or undefined action. The word aoristos derives from an alpha privative (ie. negation) and the verb horizô (meaning "to bound") thus meaning "without boundaries". [2] With the indicative mood it is often best translated as a simple past: "I loosed."
Example: Jhn 3:16
For God so loved the world
The aorist tense is characterized by its emphasis on punctiliar action; that is, the concept of the verb is considered without regard for past, present, or future time.
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