[Orthodox Christianity] Why does God force all people to live, even though a lot of us will be damned for all eternity?
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When I was at tthe University of Illinois,Champaigne-Urbana, I had been active against the war in Viet Nam, even the Weathermen underground were afraid to deal with me becaus I was radical, moreso than they who were cosidered rads.
I became aware of Biafra's separating from from Nigeria. People in Biafra were starving, being besieged by Nigeria, and I saw images of children starving, the living with swollen bellies due to abject malnutrition.
I was terribly heartbroken aout all the killing in the world, and it was made worse when I foundout the US had sent aid to Biafra but parked it all abut three hunted miles way from Biafra because it did not want to pset diplomatic relations with Nigeria.; this hurt me terribly.
I wondered why God, if there was one, allowed such evil in this world.. Now, I had always liked Jesus christ but never actually knew Him but i ALWAYS Bbelieve this man loved all peple
I locked myself in a room determined to talk to Whoever is in charge ofev erything. I shook my fist to heaven and said, "You Are Who You Are, if You are good,, and if you really are in charge of everything, and if there really is a good outcome to all of this, I would like to know you." I said I was not going to eat or leave that room until I got a reply.
For some reason, I know now, I fell asleep, a deep sleep and I dreamed. I was "spoken to, and I was given the layout of the paths of alll men, they varied but all were going to the same destination, mine was not on one of the easy highways, it was up a mountain, a dark mountain on a very bad winding raod full of chuckholes . I was shown a vehicle anad I started to get in the driver's side, but I as told I am not driving....I road shotgun. In the back of the vehicle were may others, passengers. Off on the left there was a lake with people fishing swimmin waterskiing all smiling and waving as the vehicle departed.....There were words for me, but not for others so I will omit that.
I awoke in the morning and I felt exhilerated and content, yet everythig seemed new and strange to me. I went out on Green street which led to the campus, and as cars went by, although I know basically they were cars, they seemed like something unknown. One was blue I recall and I thought it looked lik a blue shape coming down the street.
Arriving to the Student Union I mentioned to a friend that I had had avery unusual experience after prying and I suppose, fasting albeit a very short fast. Then I as going tosee another frind to share this with who as in the astrophysics department. As I as crossing the Quadrangle, I was all I can call it is prayer thinking. I kept saying "Boy is man bad, boy is man ever wicked, he is just plaine wicked" Suddenly it occurred to me, 2Hey, I am a man(with this realization I realized I am part of that evil), and I said, "You are It( It meaning all that is good and in control.) This was turning from this age and this world to the Maker of all that is and truly giveng Him the glory. He spoke to me, a very simple message, there were no words no sound yet it was clear, "Everything is going to be just fine."
More happened, much more................much more.
I became aware of Biafra's separating from from Nigeria. People in Biafra were starving, being besieged by Nigeria, and I saw images of children starving, the living with swollen bellies due to abject malnutrition.
I was terribly heartbroken aout all the killing in the world, and it was made worse when I foundout the US had sent aid to Biafra but parked it all abut three hunted miles way from Biafra because it did not want to pset diplomatic relations with Nigeria.; this hurt me terribly.
I wondered why God, if there was one, allowed such evil in this world.. Now, I had always liked Jesus christ but never actually knew Him but i ALWAYS Bbelieve this man loved all peple
I locked myself in a room determined to talk to Whoever is in charge ofev erything. I shook my fist to heaven and said, "You Are Who You Are, if You are good,, and if you really are in charge of everything, and if there really is a good outcome to all of this, I would like to know you." I said I was not going to eat or leave that room until I got a reply.
For some reason, I know now, I fell asleep, a deep sleep and I dreamed. I was "spoken to, and I was given the layout of the paths of alll men, they varied but all were going to the same destination, mine was not on one of the easy highways, it was up a mountain, a dark mountain on a very bad winding raod full of chuckholes . I was shown a vehicle anad I started to get in the driver's side, but I as told I am not driving....I road shotgun. In the back of the vehicle were may others, passengers. Off on the left there was a lake with people fishing swimmin waterskiing all smiling and waving as the vehicle departed.....There were words for me, but not for others so I will omit that.
I awoke in the morning and I felt exhilerated and content, yet everythig seemed new and strange to me. I went out on Green street which led to the campus, and as cars went by, although I know basically they were cars, they seemed like something unknown. One was blue I recall and I thought it looked lik a blue shape coming down the street.
Arriving to the Student Union I mentioned to a friend that I had had avery unusual experience after prying and I suppose, fasting albeit a very short fast. Then I as going tosee another frind to share this with who as in the astrophysics department. As I as crossing the Quadrangle, I was all I can call it is prayer thinking. I kept saying "Boy is man bad, boy is man ever wicked, he is just plaine wicked" Suddenly it occurred to me, 2Hey, I am a man(with this realization I realized I am part of that evil), and I said, "You are It( It meaning all that is good and in control.) This was turning from this age and this world to the Maker of all that is and truly giveng Him the glory. He spoke to me, a very simple message, there were no words no sound yet it was clear, "Everything is going to be just fine."
More happened, much more................much more.
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Well thanks, You just proved you know nothing of grace.. Or What revelations says, They shall be tried for their works not sins) or what Jesus himself said “EVERY SIN and BASPHEMY SHALL (not might) Be forgive MEN (all men) but BLASPHEMY of the HS (rejecng his ffer of Grace) SHall never be forgiven.
But hey, If you want to make God a dictator who does not love, Thats on you.
Well thanks, You just proved you know nothing of grace.. Or What revelations says, They shall be tried for their works not sins) or what Jesus himself said “EVERY SIN and BASPHEMY SHALL (not might) Be forgive MEN (all men) but BLASPHEMY of the HS (rejecng his ffer of Grace) SHall never be forgiven.
But hey, If you want to make God a dictator who does not love, Thats on you.
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The wages of sin is death.....hell is a place of torment according to Jesus. Hell was created for Satan and his fallen to be confined forever more.
You are right in assuming hell is not a punishment ,it's not , but it is the place where a unrepentant, unregenerated soul ends up..
Good people with good moral standards go to hell. Seems unfair but it's all about Jesus and not about us.
Satan is a liar, a thief, a murderer, there is no good in him at all. He wants to share that m.o. with as many as he can. Why??? Because it hurts God. It hurts the witness of God.
You are right in assuming hell is not a punishment ,it's not , but it is the place where a unrepentant, unregenerated soul ends up..
Good people with good moral standards go to hell. Seems unfair but it's all about Jesus and not about us.
Satan is a liar, a thief, a murderer, there is no good in him at all. He wants to share that m.o. with as many as he can. Why??? Because it hurts God. It hurts the witness of God.
He who is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul desires. He created us for his own good purposes by performing that which is appointed to us. We reap the benefits as blessings of His work .He did not create us as a free agent that has a will of its own . Which he alone is, having no mother or father beginning of days or end of Spirit life .
Orthodox Christianity belongs to the Orthodox churches. Bible Christianity belongs to Bible churches. And there is a difference.
God does not *force* anyone to live. But He gives life to whom He gives life, which is His divine prerogative.
People choose to be damned when they refuse to obey the Gospel. God wants all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:3,4).
God does not *force* anyone to live. But He gives life to whom He gives life, which is His divine prerogative.
People choose to be damned when they refuse to obey the Gospel. God wants all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:3,4).
There are so many things erroneous in this post that to begin to address it would take pages upon pages......
Can I ask a few questions
a. Are you serious
b. Do you really believe what you posted
c. Are you even a believer or saved
d. Where do you get the idea of anything posted in the OP
Wow!
Can I ask a few questions
a. Are you serious
b. Do you really believe what you posted
c. Are you even a believer or saved
d. Where do you get the idea of anything posted in the OP
Wow!
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Wrong, God says if we do not punish wrong doing,
they will continue in the path of self destruction.
They will be a burden on society and would never learn.
If you do not correct wrong that children do , you do not even love them.
Of coarse there is a right way and a wrong way to do this.
Sometimes a swift smack to the ass seems to be the only thing that works.
they will continue in the path of self destruction.
They will be a burden on society and would never learn.
If you do not correct wrong that children do , you do not even love them.
Of coarse there is a right way and a wrong way to do this.
Sometimes a swift smack to the ass seems to be the only thing that works.
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