How does the devil "sow" people?

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Hevosmies

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We know the parable of the wheat and tares, I understand how the Son of Man "sows" but I never understood the other part. How does the devil "sow" people (the tares)?
I know this is the favorite proof-text for the serpent seed doctrine, I dont know much about that but reading the geneology of Cain, it seems false already since the devil isnt listed as Cain's physical father (its mentioned in a spiritual way in the NT) but Adam is.

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

So thats the question: How does the devil "sow" people (tares)?
 
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Deception
Satin deceives people into believing they are saved.
 

Lanolin

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Hmm I dont think its necessarily people but truth (wheat) and lies (tares).

I do recall Jesus saying to some Pharisees that their father was the devil though they kept insisting it was Abraham. Not meaning they were literally born from the devil, but born in iniquity or from fornication. I dont know how God knows how everyone is born but I suppose when Adam was with Eve they didnt do it right the first time.
 

Nehemiah6

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So thats the question: How does the devil "sow" people (tares)?
Just like governments PLANT spies within other governments. It is simply a metaphor for a plant.
 
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Miri

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I read it that everyone is a tare, but some are born again and become
the wheat.

The field is just a metaphor for the world where both believers and
unbelievers dwell together.
 

blueluna5

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I honestly think the answer to this is a lot more intense than most Christians are willing to believe. Of course no one really knows other than just the typical it's a metaphor Christian response.

I do remember hearing the Cain being the Devils physical child theory. Actually...cains genealogy is not mentioned in the bible as far as being Adams son. It mentions his descendants though. Not sure about it still.

It could have to do with nephilim mentioned in the bible though...descendants of fallen angels and fallen man. Could also go further to all the people claiming aliens took them, etc. And....in the days of Noah so shall it be at the end of the world.

Like I said I believe the answer is a lot more intense than the average believer understands. I just don't personally dwell on it bc I dont think we'll fully understand it until the end anyhow.
 

JaumeJ

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We are all "procreated" by our parents, "pro" is the prefix meaning we do not actually do the creting, God creates us and forms us in the womb.

That said, as we develop in heart, mind and soul we learn of God and of the world. We learn of God from God either vicariously or directly. We learn of the world from the enmy.

During our time "gestating in the soil spiritually) we either decide on the creation or the Creator. We grow up as what we have chosen, as tares or as wheat……….

I have always understood this to be so. God does not sow tares,, He sows the Word.
 

Magenta

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I do remember hearing the Cain being the Devils physical child theory. Actually...cains genealogy is not mentioned in the bible as far as being Adams son. It mentions his descendants though. Not sure about it still..
Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. Genesis 4:1 (NIV)
 

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We know the parable of the wheat and tares, I understand how the Son of Man "sows" but I never understood the other part. How does the devil "sow" people (the tares)?
I know this is the favorite proof-text for the serpent seed doctrine, I dont know much about that but reading the geneology of Cain, it seems false already since the devil isnt listed as Cain's physical father (its mentioned in a spiritual way in the NT) but Adam is.

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

So thats the question: How does the devil "sow" people (tares)?
Probably by saying to them, "Yea hath God said ...?" (Genesis 3:1), and then proceeding to contradict what God said.
I don't know much about the "serpent seed" doctrine either, but remember "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). All physical descendants of Cain and all physical descendants of Seth (with the exception of Jesus) were born sinners and needed to be born again.
 

JaumeJ

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I believe the simplest explanation is hearing whaat Jesus said.

The field is the world.

The seed is the Gospel or Good News.

The enemy sowed his message, not the Gospel.

Those who heard teh good news and accepted it are the wheat, while those who did not are tthe tares, having accepted the message of teh enemy.
 

Adstar

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We know the parable of the wheat and tares, I understand how the Son of Man "sows" but I never understood the other part. How does the devil "sow" people (the tares)?
I know this is the favorite proof-text for the serpent seed doctrine, I dont know much about that but reading the geneology of Cain, it seems false already since the devil isnt listed as Cain's physical father (its mentioned in a spiritual way in the NT) but Adam is.

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

So thats the question: How does the devil "sow" people (tares)?
The seeds are not people..
The seed that God sows is the Word of God.. The wheat are people who come to believe in the Word of God..
The seed that satan sows are lies, deceptions, false religion. The tares that grow are people who love those lies..

In another Parable of Jesus.. the sower of the seed, the seed is the world of God..

Luke 8: KJV
5" A sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. {6} And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. {7} And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. {8} And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. {9} And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? {10} And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. {11} Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God."
 

Magenta

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The seeds are not people..
Hello Adstar :) I have been reading through Matthew for the last little while. In Matthew 13:38, when Jesus' disciples ask Him to explain the parable of the weeds in the field, part of what He says is, "The good seed stands for the sons of the Kingdom."
 
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Hello Adstar :) I have been reading through Matthew for the last little while. In Matthew 13:38, when Jesus' disciples ask Him to explain the parable of the weeds in the field, part of what He says is, "The good seed stands for the sons of the Kingdom."
That is interesting, now how does the statement line up with this one below.

Matthew 8:12
But the sons of the kingdom will be cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
 

louis

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We know the parable of the wheat and tares, I understand how the Son of Man "sows" but I never understood the other part. How does the devil "sow" people (the tares)?
I know this is the favorite proof-text for the serpent seed doctrine, I dont know much about that but reading the geneology of Cain, it seems false already since the devil isnt listed as Cain's physical father (its mentioned in a spiritual way in the NT) but Adam is.

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

So thats the question: How does the devil "sow" people (tares)?
Whatever overcomes a person is what they are servant to (2 Peter 2:19).
If it's cars, women, vacations, clothing; whatever an individuals desire is, is how the devil sows himself in the hearts of people.
The devil is the master of all carnal inclinations.

2 Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
 

Hevosmies

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That is interesting, now how does the statement line up with this one below.

Matthew 8:12
But the sons of the kingdom will be cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
What about that then, huh?

This is conclusive proof that EACH PARABLE must be interpreted as a STAND ALONE parable. You cant read son of the kingdom in the same way in every parable, otherwise we would have the good seed (sons of the kingdom) being thrown into outer darkness.

Thanks for pointing this out. I will keep this in memory. LESSON LEARNED!
 
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What about that then, huh?

This is conclusive proof that EACH PARABLE must be interpreted as a STAND ALONE parable. You cant read son of the kingdom in the same way in every parable, otherwise we would have the good seed (sons of the kingdom) being thrown into outer darkness.

Thanks for pointing this out. I will keep this in memory. LESSON LEARNED!
Indeed the two are used differently depending on context though not much different in IMO

the seed the extension offered to the gentiles, an then there is the seed the ones who rejected the offering first given to the Jews.

Parable of the wedding banquet.
 
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The customs of the ancients at their feasts and entertainments; which were commonly made in the evening, when the hall or dining room, in which they sat down, was very much illuminated with lamps and torches; but without in the streets, were entire darkness: and where were heard nothing but the cries of the poor, for something to be given them, and of the persons that were turned out as unworthy guests; and the gnashing of their teeth, either with cold in winter nights, or with indignation at their being kept out.
 

Locutus

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Best not to read too much into the parable.

Matt 8:12 is not to be confused with the sower and the seed.
 

Magenta

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That is interesting, now how does the statement line up with this one below.

Matthew 8:12
But the sons of the kingdom will be cast into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
The kingdom in that verse refers to the Jewish kingdom (Israel) comprising those who reject Jesus as their Messiah.
 
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We know the parable of the wheat and tares, I understand how the Son of Man "sows" but I never understood the other part. How does the devil "sow" people (the tares)?
I know this is the favorite proof-text for the serpent seed doctrine, I dont know much about that but reading the geneology of Cain, it seems false already since the devil isnt listed as Cain's physical father (its mentioned in a spiritual way in the NT) but Adam is.

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

So thats the question: How does the devil "sow" people (tares)?
Seed is DNA, DNA is words. The DNA of our spiritual man is either the incorruptible word of God or the corrupted word of the devil.

One produces true believers and the other one produces something that looks like Christians but are not really Christians.