Understanding The HolySpirit

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Noblemen

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John 15:26

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The HolySpirit is the comforter, Jesus, explaining to the disciples that when He left He would not leave them without a comforter.
He will be the Spirit of truth and He shall testify of me, John 16:13

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

I understand when the HolySpirit was poured out in the book of Acts it was quite amazing.
Just reading it thrills the believer beyond belief.
Through the years He has been made out to be something He is not.
The main ministry of the HolySpirit is that of a teacher.
For most, that simple ministry of the HolySpirit takes the wind out of their sails. They need more fire and cloven tongues to prove how God can use them.
Like they have a special calling, to their shagrin God is no respector of persons.
Simply put He does not get as exsited as much as we do when a celebrity or politician or king gets saved, it is all the same to Him. He does put much emphasis on a person's past, He is more interested in who and what you are today.
I know when I was involved in several different denominations, some had HolySpirit schools and meetings where they gave their ideas about the HolySpirit.
You say what is wrong with that, first it is not what Jesus said he would do when he came.
The HolySpirit needs to be taught but it must be in the context it was given.
My first sunday school class lesson after I got saved was on the HolySpirit. I didn't know a father from a son to a spirit, new to me but I was hungry. Our teacher was the associate pastor and very good teacher when I look back. I learned things that have stayed with me for all these years that have been invaluable. He gave us a paper for going through the class that I framed.
Has my understanding been perfect through the years, no, is it perfect now, no.
The point I'm trying to make is without your understanding the HolySpirit as your teacher you will never see Christ as your life.
We have the resurrected life of Jesus himself that dwells in every born again believer.
The HolySpirit is in the soul-mind where your understanding is, where you learn. We must yield our minds to him to see what he has to say.
Don't worry about power, don't worry about taking in tongues, yield your mind, the main member of your body to see who you are as a born again believer.
 
JaumeJ

JaumeJ

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Anyone hearing the Holy Spirit will understand…….otherwise it is not the Holy Spirit. As for understanding the nature of the Holy Spirit, this would be the same as understanding our Father's thought processes, and no man understands as does our Father.

We must always approach our Maker as children, for we are His children.
 
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Meditator

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Is experience of the holy spirit an essential aspect of being saved, even if you accept everything in the scriptures?

Also, can you truly understand the scriptures (and therefore what you purport to believe) if you don't have experience of the holy spirit?
 
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JaumeJ

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Meditator said:
Is experience of the holy spirit an essential aspect of being saved, even if you accept everything in the scriptures?

Also, can you truly understand the scriptures (and therefore what you purport to believe) if you don't have experience of the holy spirit?
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The witness of Jesus Christ, Yeshua, is of the Holy Spirit. When anyone feels he knows Jesus Christ,, whethr he is aware of it or not, he has experienced the Holy Spirit……….

In Revelation it says the witness of Jesus Christ is the Sñpirit of prophecy......this too is only of the HOly Spirit.

Do not allow anyone to take awy this truth from your understanding.
 
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lastofall

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1Co 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.
 
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bygrace

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Noblemen said:
John 15:26

26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

The HolySpirit is the comforter, Jesus, explaining to the disciples that when He left He would not leave them without a comforter.
He will be the Spirit of truth and He shall testify of me, John 16:13

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

I understand when the HolySpirit was poured out in the book of Acts it was quite amazing.
Just reading it thrills the believer beyond belief.
Through the years He has been made out to be something He is not.
The main ministry of the HolySpirit is that of a teacher.
For most, that simple ministry of the HolySpirit takes the wind out of their sails. They need more fire and cloven tongues to prove how God can use them.
Like they have a special calling, to their shagrin God is no respector of persons.
Simply put He does not get as exsited as much as we do when a celebrity or politician or king gets saved, it is all the same to Him. He does put much emphasis on a person's past, He is more interested in who and what you are today.
I know when I was involved in several different denominations, some had HolySpirit schools and meetings where they gave their ideas about the HolySpirit.
You say what is wrong with that, first it is not what Jesus said he would do when he came.
The HolySpirit needs to be taught but it must be in the context it was given.
My first sunday school class lesson after I got saved was on the HolySpirit. I didn't know a father from a son to a spirit, new to me but I was hungry. Our teacher was the associate pastor and very good teacher when I look back. I learned things that have stayed with me for all these years that have been invaluable. He gave us a paper for going through the class that I framed.
Has my understanding been perfect through the years, no, is it perfect now, no.
The point I'm trying to make is without your understanding the HolySpirit as your teacher you will never see Christ as your life.
We have the resurrected life of Jesus himself that dwells in every born again believer.
The HolySpirit is in the soul-mind where your understanding is, where you learn. We must yield our minds to him to see what he has to say.
Don't worry about power, don't worry about taking in tongues, yield your mind, the main member of your body to see who you are as a born again believer.
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I disagree with the context of the Holy Spirit as you have explained. Our mind is to be renewed by the word of God. The Holy Spirit role to the Believer is found in John 14 and 15 and 16. The Holy Spirit also empowers to be a witness as Jesus said in Acts 1:8 The Holy Spirit also equips the body of Christ as said in 1cor 12. The Holy Spirit comes upon and In the believer and abides with them.
 
GraceAndTruth

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Nobleman,.....amen amen amen
One of the best postings on the Holy Spirit I have seen lately.

Unfortunately the groups ( refuse to call their outlandish behavior "Christian") that demand a dog and pony show at every carnival meeting they call "church", will never agree with you. One must be born again and actually HAVE the Holy Spirit as teacher. This is why they and their leaders are so ignorant of scripture and misuse it constantly. They can't receive the things of the Spirit because they are spiritually apprised.

We all know he/she who hates truth is not of God.
 
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MessageOfTheCross said:
How does the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus function? Romans 8:2
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God is love. Christ told us He did not come to destroy but to fulfill. Mat_5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. So we know that Christ did not destroy the law. So the law as it is in Christ is the law through love.

It wouldn't be enough not to steal, bear false witness, covet, etc., but when we love we can not do these things. This is the law in the spirit.
 
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JaumeJ

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MessageOfTheCross said:
How does the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus function? Romans 8:2
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It is written in Romans also "faith establishes the law." The Holy Spirit explains all to all about this.
 
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Noblemen

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bygrace said:
I disagree with the context of the Holy Spirit as you have explained. Our mind is to be renewed by the word of God. The Holy Spirit role to the Believer is found in John 14 and 15 and 16. The Holy Spirit also empowers to be a witness as Jesus said in Acts 1:8 The Holy Spirit also equips the body of Christ as said in 1cor 12. The Holy Spirit comes upon and In the believer and abides with them.
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Sticking tongue out, kidding grace I tryed
 
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Noblemen

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GraceAndTruth said:
Nobleman,.....amen amen amen
One of the best postings on the Holy Spirit I have seen lately.

Unfortunately the groups ( refuse to call their outlandish behavior "Christian") that demand a dog and pony show at every carnival meeting they call "church", will never agree with you. One must be born again and actually HAVE the Holy Spirit as teacher. This is why they and their leaders are so ignorant of scripture and misuse it constantly. They can't receive the things of the Spirit because they are spiritually apprised.

We all know he/she who hates truth is not of God.
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I have seen alot and to my shame been involved, will not even talk about it.
When I write about it I keep it clean, I don't want posts looking like Jerry Springer shows.
 
JaumeJ

JaumeJ

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There is only One Object of faith for all mankind...….Faith establishes the law.
 
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