Know that summer is near - we are now living in the last of the last days

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Nehemiah6

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Amo 8:1 Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit.
Amo 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

The verses above are what happened when summer came to Israel. Are you suggesting that this is future?
You cannot take the prophecy of Amos and indiscriminately apply it to the future. Amos is about the judgment which would come upon the kingdom of Israel for their idolatry and disobedience.
 
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You cannot take the prophecy of Amos and indiscriminately apply it to the future. Amos is about the judgment which would come upon the kingdom of Israel for their idolatry and disobedience.
Oh really, indiscriminately huh? Can you show me where the sun went black at noon back in Hosea’s time?

Amo 8:9 (KJV) And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:

I can show you where it went dark at the time of Christ. You know the time when Christ cursed the fig tree and said no fruit shall grow on you forever.... the time when Hosea said the end has come upon my people of Israel. It happened at the time darkness covered the land from noon to three.

Mat 27:45 (KJV) Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

Are you going to continue to deny the truth of Hosea?
 
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Olivet discourse.

Matt 24: 30-31
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I don’t see the rapture in those verses. Do you think gathering his elect is the rapture?
 
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You cannot take the prophecy of Amos and indiscriminately apply it to the future. Amos is about the judgment which would come upon the kingdom of Israel for their idolatry and disobedience.
Was the tabernacle of David rebuilt in Hoseas time?


Amo 9:11 (KJV) In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

No but it was when Christ came and took the kingdom from the Jews.
 

bygrace

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The Rapture of the Church could happen any moment.

Matthew 24

“32 Now learn a Parable of the fig tree (the Bible presents three trees, the fig, the olive, and the vine, as representing the nation of Israel, nationally, spiritually, and dispensationally); When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (is meant to serve as the illustration of Israel nationally), ye know that summer is near (refers to Israel as the greatest Prophetic Sign of all, telling us that we are now living in the last of the last days):

33 So likewise ye (points to the modern Church), when you shall see all these things (which we are now seeing as it regards Israel), know that it is near, even at the doors (the fulfillment of Endtime Prophecies).”

“34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass (the generation of Jews which will be alive at the beginning of the Great Tribulation; as well, it was a prediction by Christ, that irrespective of the problems that Israel would face, even from His day, they would survive), till all these things be fulfilled (there is no doubt, they will be fulfilled).

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away (doesn’t refer to annihilation, but rather a change from one condition or state to another), but My Words shall not pass away (what the Word of God says, will be!).

36 But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the Angels of Heaven, but My Father only.”


Mark 13

“28 Now learn a Parable of the fig tree (symbolic of Israel and the Second Coming); When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves (refers to the rebirth of Israel as it began in 1948; for about nineteen hundred years this “fig tree” produced nothing, now this tree, taking life from the roots, is beginning to “put forth leaves”), you know that summer is near (Israel is God’s prophetic time clock; looking at Israel, we now know that summer is near, i.e., “the Endtime Prophecies are about to be fulfilled”):

29 So you in like manner, when you shall see these things come to pass (the beginning of these things predicted by Christ, has already begun), know that it is near, even at the doors (should have been translated, “He is near,” because it refers to Christ).”

“30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass (concerns the generation in existence at the time of these happenings, which will be the time of the Great Tribulation), till all these things be done (speaks of the events proclaimed in Rev., Chpts. 6-19).

31 Heaven and Earth shall pass away (better translated, “Heaven and Earth shall pass from one condition to another”): but My Words shall not pass away (what Christ is saying will come to pass, and without fail!).”

JSM
yes, we are in the last days.
 

GraceAndTruth

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Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.


Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I don’t see the rapture in those verses. Do you think gathering his elect is the rapture?
yes. Going on to the end of the chapter it is all about some taken and some left. Matt 25 continues that narrative.
 

bygrace

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The last days were the last days of Israel, not us.
You would be right if Jesus did not speak otherwise in Matthew when the question was asked to by the Disciples

Matthew 24 :3

" Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Jesus Himself said in verse 30-31

"Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His[d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Then in verse 37 HE provides more clearly the time we will be in before the day of Hid coming.


37-39

" 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.


Now with all that is going on in the world today and the truth, that knowledge has increased so fast with technology even a person in the Appalachian mountains with no internet or phone knows we are in the last days.
 
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How is it that all the writers in the Bible talked about them being in the last days of the kingdom of Israel and people today think that means the end of time?

Do you guys care about truth at all or are you more interested in twisting scriptures to prop up the false doctrine of dispensationalist.

Seriously, how does the last days of Israel become the end of time?
 

bygrace

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How is it that all the writers in the Bible talked about them being in the last days of the kingdom of Israel and people today think that means the end of time?

Do you guys care about truth at all or are you more interested in twisting scriptures to prop up the false doctrine of dispensationalist.

Seriously, how does the last days of Israel become the end of time?
that is your opinion if you cannot see that Jesus did speak in Matthew and answered three questions asked of the disciples.

"Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

You choose to attack other with a false narrative and name call just when I thought you were doing so well. You are wrong and you did not prove by scripture how we twisted anything. So you result to name calling, how immature
 
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You would be right if Jesus did not speak otherwise in Matthew when the question was asked to by the Disciples

Matthew 24 :3

" Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”
The buildings were destroyed in AD 70.

Jesus said he would come before the disciples finished evangelized all the cities of Israel and he did return from the grave in all power and glory before they finished going over the cities of Israel.

The end of the age was the end of the age of the Law and Old Testament. But the better translation is "the end of the world" - Israel's world ended. You're taking "the end of the age" and wrongly assigning it to the end of time and totally ignoring Jesus saying that all those things would happen to that generation.

Everything Jesus said would happen in Matthew 23:4 happened during that GENERATION.
Jesus Himself said in verse 30-31

"Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His[d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Then in verse 37 HE provides more clearly the time we will be in before the day of Hid coming.


37-39

" 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Jesus said in Mark 14 that the high priest would see him coming with the clouds of heaven, and he did when Christ returned from the grave in power and glory. Right after this, he sent his angels to gather his elect in Matthew 28:19. Why would you think this is future? Jesus said "all these things would happen in THIS generation.

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Now with all that is going on in the world today and the truth, that knowledge has increased so fast with technology even a person in the Appalachian mountains with no internet or phone knows we are in the last days.
I agree that we are close to the 2nd advent of Christ but "the last days" in the bible are the last days of Israel, not the end of time.
 
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that is your opinion if you cannot see that Jesus did speak in Matthew and answered three questions asked of the disciples.

"Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

You choose to attack other with a false narrative and name call just when I thought you were doing so well. You are wrong and you did not prove by scripture how we twisted anything. So you result to name calling, how immature
I'm not name calling, I'm telling you guys that according to scripture you are wrong and you're leading people astray. Here are two of many many verses that prove that you guys are wrong.

Mat_10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Mat_24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
 

JaumeJ

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doesnt' matter how long you THINK a generation is, the point was the Jesus said their generation would not pass away until that prophecy (in part) would be fulfilled...........and it was.

I said "in part" because the rapture is still future and we know that it was not part of the trib prophecy because there was a division made when the the word "THEN" was inserted before that event.

First came the trib, THEN came the rapture......but not in their generation although Preterists would disagree with that!

Man does not live by bread alone but by every word proceeding fromthe mouth of God..pph
 

iamsoandso

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Amo 8:1 Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit.


Amo 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, The end is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more.

The verses above are what happened when summer came to Israel. Are you suggesting that this is future?

lol, but was it the carnal Israel or the Israel that was always the true Israel from the beginning,, or the one that it was given to that would bring forth fruit? It's always interesting to see replacement positions look at the verse and speak of God not passing by them anymore just as it is with those who see the true Israel always being from the beginning and them not being passed by anymore.
 

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There is no mention in the Bible of THE LAST OF THE LAST DAYS only the last days. This is another example of an opinion being treated as scripture. Dispensationalists thrive on adding to scripture sometimes known as connecting the dots its a pity that the
dots are connected to form such a distorted picture.

John said as follows.....

Little Children it is the last hour and as you have heard that the antichrist
is coming even now many antichrists have come by which we know that it
is the last hour

1 John 1:18 NKJV

If we are in the last days as some understand them Johns hour must be the longest in history

Paul writes about what happened to Israel due to disobedience. He ends with this........

Now all these things happened to them as examples and they were written for
our admonition upon whom the ends of the ages have come

1 Cor 10:11 NKJV
 
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lol, but was it the carnal Israel or the Israel that was always the true Israel from the beginning,, or the one that it was given to that would bring forth fruit? It's always interesting to see replacement positions look at the verse and speak of God not passing by them anymore just as it is with those who see the true Israel always being from the beginning and them not being passed by anymore.
Very simple soandso.... True Israel is in the basket, they are the summer fruit, so what does that make the "the end is come upon my people of Israel, whom God will not pass by again"? Carnal Israel.

And I just can't understand where this "replacement position" or "replacement theology" comes from... You can't replace something that never existed to begin with. Spiritual Israel has ALWAYS been God's chosen people and still are today.... Who has replaced them in your mind? Rather who do you think I think replaced spiritual Israel?
 
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There is no mention in the Bible of THE LAST OF THE LAST DAYS only the last days. This is another example of an opinion being treated as scripture. Dispensationalists thrive on adding to scripture sometimes known as connecting the dots its a pity that the
dots are connected to form such a distorted picture.

John said as follows.....

Little Children it is the last hour and as you have heard that the antichrist
is coming even now many antichrists have come by which we know that it
is the last hour

1 John 1:18 NKJV

If we are in the last days as some understand them Johns hour must be the longest in history

Paul writes about what happened to Israel due to disobedience. He ends with this........

Now all these things happened to them as examples and they were written for
our admonition upon whom the ends of the ages have come

1 Cor 10:11 NKJV
Dispenstionalism is a cult, and I know this for a fact because I WAS one of them. That Jew worshiping false theology is so engrained in their minds that they can't read a single prophetic verse in the bible without twisting it to fit their view. It's really sad.
 

iamsoandso

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Very simple soandso.... True Israel is in the basket, they are the summer fruit, so what does that make the "the end is come upon my people of Israel, whom God will not pass by again"? Carnal Israel.

And I just can't understand where this "replacement position" or "replacement theology" comes from... You can't replace something that never existed to begin with. Spiritual Israel has ALWAYS been God's chosen people and still are today.... Who has replaced them in your mind? Rather who do you think I think replaced spiritual Israel?

lol, I'm not replacement or dispensationist.

Think about what your saying,,,If there's only the "spiritual Israel" as you put it and there wasn't ever anyone else then it says that God will never pass by "spiritual Israel anymore"(wrong right?)
 
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lol, I'm not replacement or dispensationist.

Think about what your saying,,,If there's only the "spiritual Israel" as you put it and there wasn't ever anyone else then it says that God will never pass by "spiritual Israel anymore"(wrong right?)
There isn't only spiritual Israel, there's also flesh and blood descendants of Israel. God's elect are the spiritual descendants of Israel but the flesh descendants were chosen by God to do all of Romans 9:4-5.

Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

God is done with them now, all of the things above are completed. The fruit has been gathered, there is no use for them any more.