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JaumeJ

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Ok genius, then why did Paul need to write the epistles? Why not copy paste what Jesus said? Wouldn’t it make sense that the reader hear it directly from the author that apparently in your interpretation was speaking to you, the lost sheep of Israel?
Are you telling all here that Paul taught something other than the Gospel of Jesus Christ?

Do you actually read the epistles? They are not in addition to the Gospel, the one gospel of which is from Jesus Christ he speackes of?

No, you are picking and choosing what you wish to convey to others from your fleshy mind. My understanding begins with tGenesis and is completed at the final amen of Revelation , completed by the HOly Spirit.

I am the first to know i KNOW VERY LITTLE, BUT SO IT IS WITH ALL WHO BELIEVE, FOR ONLY THE wORD IS EXPERT IN ALL.

tHANK YOU FOR ASKING gOD TO HELP ME WITH MY MANY LACKS IN UNDERSTANDING, BUT WHEN i POST FOR OTHERS, I am very careful,,,,,,, no cherry picking as those who seem to be at a loss resort to say about others when they have no sound reason with which to speak or respond.
 
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Haha I mean I am littleraly at work, trying to respond to some mild persecution.....I’m being somewhat sarcastic...at first I thought posting what was in my heart here would benefit someone, but I’m realizing that my delivery is pretty much horrible...so I am learning how to convey what the spirit has taught me....without creating an argument that no one will benefit from
That is quite ok, and honorable my friend it is a dicey thing to deliver with patience of speech and quickness of thought.
 
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It is not putting words in your mouth and I am fine where I am....I do not know the names you speak of but I will say this....I apologize if I have come off as judgemental or angry....this is a public forum and I am just coming to realize what watered down grace really is
Nope, sorry, you put words in my mouth in a most condemning, disgraceful and unChristian manner. And you speak of concern over grace?
 

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If you do not understand that Paul preached the finished work of the cross, and Jesus was teaching in his earthly ministry, gospel relating to the lost sheep of Israel, I have nothing to say other than read more....of course everything Jesus said is holy and to be revered as he is the author of everything, he is a part of the god head....what you guys do not understand is that he has a specific message for the Jews, as did Paul for the gentiles....

kThe finished work on the cross? Do you have any idea of what the Old Testament teaches on this? nONE IST SEEMS. sTART WITHT HE STORY OF THE CROS IN Psalms. Go to the story of Jesus Christ, hHis suffering, and His mission in Isaiah and in Zechariah. YOu are one of those NT only folks too ignorant of th Old TEstament writings to make reference to them. The same writings converts learned from for almost 300 years afgter Jesus came with the Gospel for all of th world. You prove you know very little here in telling others how ignorant you believe theya re.... you go to your dispensations, and I will remain with the same teaching that began with Genisis.
 
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Haha I mean I am littleraly at work, trying to respond to some mild persecution.....I’m being somewhat sarcastic...at first I thought posting what was in my heart here would benefit someone, but I’m realizing that my delivery is pretty much horrible...so I am learning how to convey what the spirit has taught me....without creating an argument that no one will benefit from
No one here has persecuted you, not in the least. It's quite the opposite. Please don't be disingenuous, it's unbecoming of one professing to know Christ.
 

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Be very cautious abut throwing that word, heresy, into posts. It does smack of an inquisitor, and I do not refer to myself.
 
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each of us have a different walk in life that has lead us to where we are....if you believe in Christ, that he died for your sins and rose again in the third day, we are brothers in Christ...if I be a liar and not believe, then you are correct, I have a warped belief system....but I will say this.....I have watched families tear each other apart in my local churches, including members of my own family....most of it pertaining to judgement of brethren....Many in this church doctrine look for rebuke at the drop of a dime.....I do not see the love Jesus spoke of and what Paul repeated over and over....a doctrine that leads a congregation to look at one another in rebuke, and forego the work at the cross, as the members call out sin amongst each other is heart breaking to me...family’s literally fall apart and the message is lost....I believe that Christ died for all sin, I believe that Christ fulfilled the law at the cross as he said it is finished....I believe we are in the dispinsation of grace, that we are meant to accept the lamb that god promised us in genesis, as sufficient to cover the sin of the world. That does not mean it is ok to sin....we are to grow in Christ Jesus as we read all of his inspired word....but I do not believe that the specifics of his teaching, referring to the deciples that were commission goto the lost sheep of Israel Matthew 10. And not go unto the gentiles, was pertinent and had a reason...I believe that reason was manifested in Paul on the way to Damascus....I believe he is the apostle to the gentiles (in writing) for I know that now there is neither Jew nor gentile...but during Christ’s earthly ministry....there were Jews and gentiles....and Jesus told the deciples specifically not to go the gentiles...I believe this is purposeful and with great meaning, as to the gentile at that time, were being reserved for Paul, whom was to show them the mystery we have all read about....why such a mystery? Why such imphasis on a message if it were not to be different than what Jesus was telling the deciples to do, as they were told to goto the lost sheep of Israel and not leave....at this time, a mystery that god said was held hidden from all until it was revealed to Paul in the way to Damascus....that was that the gentile would be grafted into the fold and be given a gift of salvation through grace and no works of his own....why does it feel as though no one sees this mystery as anything special? Why was it held in secret as god spoke of it? I have not forsaken my god, his son whom died for me, or the Holy Spirit that I know resides in me....but I cannot see how it is profitable to take 1 ounce of glory from Christ and what he died for...it feels very unnatural to me to hear a congregation in church, preach from the book of Matthew, And not bring the scriptures into context, that is was before the crusifictiin, and applied under the law.....I know that we are not under the law....the law is what was given to show us our sin, without the law, and with the grace of god that is now given to us through his son, we have been redeemed....Paul does take issue with slipping back into slavery and bondage? What does he mean is he does not mean the law? Either we are subject to it, or we are not....there is no in between. Christ was crucified so that we would no longer be in bondage or slavery....the gospels that Jesus taught were before this amazing gift was given....our Christ had not been out in the cross....so how does teaching scripture that is not put into context, and taught as though it were just as relevant as the message of Christ crucified make any sense? You all know well what Matthew, Luke, Mark is the inspired word of god, and you all know well that Paul was a Jew and taught Jews and gentiles alike....when you read the scripture, and you see Paul speaking of the Jew, under the law, it is a different message to the gentile whom is not under the law.....2 specific messages preached amoung 2 different people as Paul has said.....so why am I teaching false doctrine if what I read is plain to see and without an ulterior motive?
 
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No one here has persecuted you, not in the least. It's quite the opposite. Please don't be disingenuous, it's unbecoming of one professing to know Christ.
Now that was unbecoming of you, everyone can clearly see that I was being sarcastic.
 
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Now that was unbecoming of you, everyone can clearly see that I was being sarcastic.
Sorry, let's start over, albeit I'm not buying what you're selling. Jaumej gave you some decent advice, you don't grasp the OT Scriptures, therefore you really should not be attempting to teach others.

You really ought to apologize for your name calling and we can all have a fresh start. How about that? It would be refreshing, although I do forgive you, but you should fess up, it will serve you well!
 
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each of us have a different walk in life that has lead us to where we are....if you believe in Christ, that he died for your sins and rose again in the third day, we are brothers in Christ...if I be a liar and not believe, then you are correct, I have a warped belief system....but I will say this.....I have watched families tear each other apart in my local churches, including members of my own family....most of it pertaining to judgement of brethren....Many in this church doctrine look for rebuke at the drop of a dime.....I do not see the love Jesus spoke of and what Paul repeated over and over....a doctrine that leads a congregation to look at one another in rebuke, and forego the work at the cross, as the members call out sin amongst each other is heart breaking to me...family’s literally fall apart and the message is lost....I believe that Christ died for all sin, I believe that Christ fulfilled the law at the cross as he said it is finished....I believe we are in the dispinsation of grace, that we are meant to accept the lamb that god promised us in genesis, as sufficient to cover the sin of the world. That does not mean it is ok to sin....we are to grow in Christ Jesus as we read all of his inspired word....but I do not believe that the specifics of his teaching, referring to the deciples that were commission goto the lost sheep of Israel Matthew 10. And not go unto the gentiles, was pertinent and had a reason...I believe that reason was manifested in Paul on the way to Damascus....I believe he is the apostle to the gentiles (in writing) for I know that now there is neither Jew nor gentile...but during Christ’s earthly ministry....there were Jews and gentiles....and Jesus told the deciples specifically not to go the gentiles...I believe this is purposeful and with great meaning, as to the gentile at that time, were being reserved for Paul, whom was to show them the mystery we have all read about....why such a mystery? Why such imphasis on a message if it were not to be different than what Jesus was telling the deciples to do, as they were told to goto the lost sheep of Israel and not leave....at this time, a mystery that god said was held hidden from all until it was revealed to Paul in the way to Damascus....that was that the gentile would be grafted into the fold and be given a gift of salvation through grace and no works of his own....why does it feel as though no one sees this mystery as anything special? Why was it held in secret as god spoke of it? I have not forsaken my god, his son whom died for me, or the Holy Spirit that I know resides in me....but I cannot see how it is profitable to take 1 ounce of glory from Christ and what he died for...it feels very unnatural to me to hear a congregation in church, preach from the book of Matthew, And not bring the scriptures into context, that is was before the crusifictiin, and applied under the law.....I know that we are not under the law....the law is what was given to show us our sin, without the law, and with the grace of god that is now given to us through his son, we have been redeemed....Paul does take issue with slipping back into slavery and bondage? What does he mean is he does not mean the law? Either we are subject to it, or we are not....there is no in between. Christ was crucified so that we would no longer be in bondage or slavery....the gospels that Jesus taught were before this amazing gift was given....our Christ had not been out in the cross....so how does teaching scripture that is not put into context, and taught as though it were just as relevant as the message of Christ crucified make any sense? You all know well what Matthew, Luke, Mark is the inspired word of god, and you all know well that Paul was a Jew and taught Jews and gentiles alike....when you read the scripture, and you see Paul speaking of the Jew, under the law, it is a different message to the gentile whom is not under the law.....2 specific messages preached amoung 2 different people as Paul has said.....so why am I teaching false doctrine if what I read is plain to see and without an ulterior motive?
Brother, paragraphs are your friend! :) :geek:
 

JaumeJ

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Now that was unbecoming of you, everyone can clearly see that I was being sarcastic.

Actually, everyone here does not know this, not after your history of labeling others a needing God's help, being heretics and more...…… I love you, but love does not tolerate erroneous behaviour, Úntil you learn to converse and dialogue with others who are serious about their understanding also, you are all alone I am afrad.
 
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Actually, everyone here does not know this, not after your history of labeling others a needing God's help, being heretics and more...…… I love you, but love does not tolerate erroneous behaviour, Úntil you learn to converse and dialogue with others who are serious about their understanding also, you are all alone I am afrad.
Everyone that read the thread does know because I said “I’m being sarcastic” not sure how you missed that one. I mistakenly have a habit of treating others how they treat me. Love does not tolerate erroneous behavior? What happened to love endurith all? Coming from a senior member I would expect more than redefining what love is
 
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True, Jesus in the Gospels is primarily speaking to Jews and their laws.
However, Jesus’ message is that none of us can please God in our own efforts. Our version of right and wrong is not Gods version.
Without carful study of Jesus life and his example of Love we miss the message.
What is it that Paul says? We became a law to ourselves.
Jesus is who we are to imitate.

Plus, how do combat the influences to be under law if you do not study the teachings of Jesus against the law?
I agree with you, it was not meant to come across as not to be studied and applied in a matter that it should be...my point was that is shouldn’t be applied where it ought not be
 

JaumeJ

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Everyone that read the thread does know because I said “I’m being sarcastic” not sure how you missed that one. I mistakenly have a habit of treating others how they treat me. Love does not tolerate erroneous behavior? What happened to love endurith all? Coming from a senior member I would expect more than redefining what love is
Love does not tolerate misbehavior, especially if it is sin which it usually is. We are taught to treat such as non-believers until their behavior conforms to the mutual faith and believe of all. Now if we were a tru congregation, I would be amisss in pointing this out in this forum, but, it is a forum. of Bible discussion not brow-beaating with what an individual has decided is rightly dividing the Word....take it from there, love does not tolerate sin for long.
 
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Love does not tolerate misbehavior, especially if it is sin which it usually is. We are taught to treat such as non-believers until their behavior conforms to the mutual faith and believe of all. Now if we were a tru congregation, I would be amisss in pointing this out in this forum, but, it is a forum. of Bible discussion not brow-beaating with what an individual has decided is rightly dividing the Word....take it from there, love does not tolerate sin for long.
Well I thank god I am not in your congregation
 
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Everyone that read the thread does know because I said “I’m being sarcastic” not sure how you missed that one. I mistakenly have a habit of treating others how they treat me. Love does not tolerate erroneous behavior? What happened to love endurith all? Coming from a senior member I would expect more than redefining what love is
In the midst of your name calling, yes, we should have known you were being sarcastic all of a sudden. Terrible thing for me to call you out on your behavior as a professing believer. Shame! ;)
 

JaumeJ

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Well I thank god I am not in your congregation

And dyou call this remark carcasm. Do you believe sarcasm has any room in a serious discussion of God's Word? The Word is Jeus, Yeshua, you know?

I believe all who truly believe Jesus Christ are members of His Body as I beliee I am also, so why would you feel this way about your own Body? I do not feel this way about you.
 
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Well I thank god I am not in your congregation
So you'd rather be in a congregation that doesn't hold you accountable, and you'd call that love. Being called out for it equals being unloving. Quite the opposite of the biblical mandate, but OK.
 
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And dyou call this remark carcasm. Do you believe sarcasm has any room in a serious discussion of God's Word? The Word is Jeus, Yeshua, you know?

I believe all who truly believe Jesus Christ are members of His Body as I beliee I am also, so why would you feel this way about your own Body? I do not feel this way about you.
I’m just going to stop and allow any readers to see what manipulation of the word looks like...you have demonstrated it well, but yes, I still love you, I just don’t like your attitude, or the inability to recognize the members that were less than patient with me...