Is Catholocism bad?

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DustyRhodes

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Love Fulfills the Law
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Catholicism is flawed absolutely. But so is every other denomination
on the planet. Baptists, Mormans, Evangelicals all of them, every one.
Jesus on the washing of the feet gave us example that so we also should
do. So that is what we do is follow His example. But every Christian
denomination creates a law which is completely wrong. For reference
read Galatians 3. So no one has the right to chastise other denominations
until they clean up their own house. Jesus on the cross died so we are
free of the law yet everywhere it is being created.
 

GraceAndTruth

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The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES... (Romans 1:16).

To believe the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.
Jesus set the tone for the missions of the apostles. The gospel is short and to the point, anything beyond that is tossing pearls to pigs, which is what forums are for.......packing up our pearls and tossing them out to anyone that asks even the most STUPID questions. It amuses the unsaved to play "stump the Christian" and there is even a web site to suggest questions for them. Of course the questions come from ignorance, but sadly so do a lot of the answers given by some well meaning but misguided apostates.

The "all sufficient" means to salvation is God's power to create pots destined for glory, giving them ears to hear and eyes to see the gospel of grace.
 

GraceAndTruth

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The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who BELIEVES... (Romans 1:16).

To believe the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.
Do you actually think you need to tell me that?
 

GraceAndTruth

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Love Fulfills the Law
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[b] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Catholicism is flawed absolutely. But so is every other denomination
on the planet. Baptists, Mormans, Evangelicals all of them, every one.
Jesus on the washing of the feet gave us example that so we also should
do. So that is what we do is follow His example. But every Christian
denomination creates a law which is completely wrong. For reference
read Galatians 3. So no one has the right to chastise other denominations
until they clean up their own house. Jesus on the cross died so we are
free of the law yet everywhere it is being created.

there is no flaw in 'calvinism"..........the doctrines are as old as scripture beginning with the sovereignty of God

Correct, defend, admonish, contend for the faith, rebuke, ..just some of the words used in scripture advocating confronting false teachers and teaching.
 

Lambster

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There are people that hold a belief that is not part of the Bible, and it becomes their foundation for the interpretation of scriptures.

Joseph Smith, Mormon Church, had a belief that was not part of the Bible, and interpreted the scriptures that way.

The new age movement has a belief not part of the Bible, the occult, and evolution, and interpret the scriptures that way.

Christian Science, Scientology, and many have a belief not part of the Bible, and interpret scriptures that way.

And many people do it in little things, such as those that love money, interpret it that way that God blesses them with their wants, when having food, and clothing, be content, and liking to drink alcohol, and interpret it that way, when the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the prejudice interpret it that way, like England believing the throne of David moved to England giving them the God given right to rule the world, and the royal family the descendants of David, and the lost tribes of Israel being Europeans, and the African Americans believing they are the true Jews of the tribe of Judah.

And so forth, many different interpretation of people because they have a belief, or something they like, and interpret the Bible that way.

It is obvious that when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity that they did not get rid of their religious ways, paganism, the occult, and it became their foundation for the interpreting of scriptures.

Which is why they do so many practices that are unnecessary like pagans do, and traditions aplenty, and why the Pope can be the Holy Father, when Jesus said do not call anyone on earth father in a spiritual sense, but only your heavenly Father, and a man called the man Christ Jesus good, and He said why call Me good, there is only one good and that is God, giving glory to God that He is doing good because of God.

And Mary can be called the Queen of heaven, and the mother of God, and they have a statue of her, and reverence her, because pagans have a female deity, or great religious figure, but Jesus was speaking to a crowd, and the disciples said Jesus your mother, and brethren, stand without the crowd desiring to speak with you, and Jesus said who is My mother, and who is My brethren, and pointed to the disciples and said, behold My mother, and brethren, for whoever does the will of the Father the same is My mother, brethren, and sisters.

And Jesus was speaking to a crowd, and a woman spoke up and said basically blessed is the mother that gave birth to you, and Jesus said, yea rather, blessed is he that hears the word of God and does it.

So Jesus did not give any reverence to Mary, and did not exalt her, and said anybody that follows God is on the same level as her, and He called her woman throughout the scriptures, for while Mary is the mother of the man Christ Jesus, He is God that called her woman, and God gets the glory for He caused the conception to happen.

The Roman Catholic Church is pagan at it's roots, and because of that they can sway in their interpretation of scriptures from one day to another, and because of their pagan roots, which they do a lot of things that identify with paganism, then they will eventually follow the new age movement interpretation of the Bible.

Which I believe they have been infiltrated to corrupt her from within even more, and to lead the new age movement.

But it has to be since the Bible says the new age movement is the future for this sinful world, and the time will come that the world will only want to hear the Bible according to their false interpretation, so it has to be a great leader that is known as following the Bible, but also has the respect of the other religions, which the Pope would fit that description.

And when they change over to Jesus is a good teacher in the evolutionary process and love, and God is the power of nature, and they can still evolve through nature, the other religions will listen to the Pope and give heed to him, and the Pope will be the leader of the unified religious system, and the Vatican the headquarters, and the Pope the false prophet for the New Age Christ, who is the final teacher in the evolutionary process.

But it had to be, for while the Bible can save souls, it will also by a false interpretation of it deceive the world, along with all religions interpreted the same way by the new age movement, and the Roman Catholic Church fits the mold more than anybody else.
You have such a long way to go in your understanding of Catholicism.

I have seen so many people think they have figured everything out, but they don't even understand even fractions of the topic.

The sad thing is they are denying themselves the most profound understanding of the Christian faith, and don't know it.
 

Lambster

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Richard Rohr is Franciscan and is one of the greatest teachers I know of. Many Catholics think on a spiritual plan most Protestants never achieve.

Exactly. It's a whole level of understanding above. It's not that the Protestants are stupid or bad, everyone is doing their best, however it's the difference between the inspired interpretation of scripture and the thousands of traditions of men that came after Luther who was the first major private interpreter of scripture.
 
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Exactly. It's a whole level of understanding above. It's not that the Protestants are stupid or bad, everyone is doing their best, however it's the difference between the inspired interpretation of scripture and the thousands of traditions of men that came after Luther who was the first major private interpreter of scripture.
.Yes not stupid or bad just not Catholic as good enough..(no one is walking on water)

Thats for sure It's a whole level of understanding that men place the things seen, the temporal "above" that not seen, the eternal . As if the kingdom of God did come by observation and therefore who needs to walk or understand by a unseen source of faith? Its God's interpretation to us. Not our private interpretations as personal commentaries neither of the Protestant of the catholic private .Faith is not measured by the things seen the temporal but rather the unseen eternal of what we hope he is teachings as we do seek His approval . Called the law of faith

One of the prescriptions for rightly dividing the things of men seen the temporal for the things of God not seen the eternal

2 Peter 1:19-21 King James Version (KJV)We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that "no prophecy of the scripture" is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

I would think if we do desire to walk by faith in respect to the holy unseen place of God we would use what he has given to us that we can see the one who has no form. The purpose of His ministry was to give sight to the spiritual blind and ears to hear to those deaf of hearing Christ. He gives them ears to hear what the Spirits says to the churches. He also came to blind those who say they can see they are not walking by father and stumble over the purpose of the cross . The light of the gospel is needed.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18

You could a say when a person tries to make the things of men the temporal seen and hold that up as a higher form of authority above the things of God unseen
 
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I haven’t looked at all the replies to your post yet but I saw this thread and I decided to post.
IMO,Catholicism Is not only a doctrine mainly of works before GOD will save but It’s also about making a man the authority of GOD regardless of what the WORD says.

GOD IS a SPIRIT and those who worship HIM MUST worship HIM HIS SPIRIT to our spirit and our spirit to HIS SPIRIT In TRUTH.

The truth about what a person does should match what a person believes and they should not say one thing and think now I’m golden because I said the right thing.
 

preacher4truth

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So Catholics (who hold to a false gospel being apostate) are on a much higher "plan" <sic> than all others...but no, no, no, they're not calling Protestants stupid. Lol!!!!!! Uh-huh.

And then the Catholic proponents who place their heretical traditions above God's Word say Protestants follow the traditions of man...uh LOL!!!! Hilarious!!!
 

tourist

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Catholicism is wrong, and being an SDA is wrong too, or so I have been led to believe by a few members on this site who are obviously more knowledgeable than I am regarding these denominations even though I was born and raised a Catholic and my wife was born and raised as a SDA. Go figure. I have been called a heretic just because I hold a contrary opinion and that I am destined to hell. That's OK 'cause Jesus loves me just the way that I am and His shed blood on the cross is sufficient payment for any sins that I may have committed. My salvation and the salvation of others is more important than trying to prove my scriptural perception is the correct one regarding certain areas. Personally, I would rather be happy than right but that's just me.
 

tourist

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That is downright terrifying.
If proving yourself right results in harming someone else than where is the good in that? You can still be right without having the need to prove you are right to the detriment of others. Yeah, I would rather be happy than hurt someone else just to strut my perceived moral and scriptural superiority. The truth is that I am no better than anyone else.
 

Demi777

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The sacrements are already flawed...
paws from Catholicism and on the bible and ur on a good road
 

Budman

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If proving yourself right results in harming someone else than where is the good in that? You can still be right without having the need to prove you are right to the detriment of others. Yeah, I would rather be happy than hurt someone else just to strut my perceived moral and scriptural superiority. The truth is that I am no better than anyone else.
It's not about pride in proving oneself to be right, it's the idea of being happy at the expense of wrong theology is what I think to be terrifying.

I mean, do you place yourself on the same spiritual plane as Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc?
 

preacher4truth

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All we are seeing in the self defense of heresy are myriads and facets of not enduring sound doctrine. It comes in many forms, even that of appearing nice, appeasing, as kindness, but it is still a rejection of truth and is a compromising of the Gospel.

This is why I've always been more leary of wolves always pointing to their fleece coats; ("See how nice I am? See my wool?") ;)

Brothers and sisters of mine may appear as wolves or mean-spirited to some due to their biblical defense of the Gospel, but that is of no matter whatsoever, it has always been this way. By the way, no wolf has ever liked the rod of a shepherd, just read the prophets and you'll see it time and again.