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These are two very different things.... a saved believer who continues to drink... will reap what he sows

a weak liver
wasting the money God provides him
maybe fights or conflict
as well as reproof from brothers and sisters
and whatever other physical trials come from his behavior
..... none of this is God chastening him
though God can use these things for good TO chasten him and show him truths


God chastens us as a Father chastens His children.....

if my son started a fight and got a black eye... that black eye is reaping what he has sown

my scolding to make sure he knows what he did was wrong

and to listen to me and do better.... that is my chastening


Hebrews 12:6-11
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.



proverbs 3
11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:

12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.



this is done through Him working in us
and us hearing Him.... even if not audible
we know by the Holy spirit we have done wrong

and we
as His children

are grieved

not ashamed of His gospel
not ashamed of His grace

but ashamed of our slanted walk


wether a son/daughter has little fruit
or salt has little flavor
or light has little shine

if it is His
He will worry about this ones salvation
He will judge this ones walk

but He will keep them by HIS power

and will not lose even one of His children

...as He has said
I am so glad that we had pur conversations when you joined and above all you were willing and open to the truth.....a rare oddity indeed.......thumbs up for your stance migo.
 
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I am so glad that we had pur conversations when you joined and above all you were willing and open to the truth.....a rare oddity indeed.......thumbs up for your stance migo.
Our Father is so great, He can make a worthless, selfish, blind, arrogant, aggressive, lustful, lying, hardheaded, hateful, man-child as I was without Him.... into something useful for His kingdom....


He is so wonderful....

I never will deserve the gifts He gives freely.....but I have forever to thank Him over and over.... for all He has done.... and does for me

including His use of you and my many brothers and sisters here


thanks bro....
I appreciate you more than you know...

one of these days you owe me a whooping in chess😆

If you think youre up to it.
:cool:
 
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As soon as you find me a verse where Jesus said all we have to do is "believe" in Him and we'll be saved. He NEVER said this. He just said we have to be born from above.
John 6:29 says we are to believe in Him....but NO ONE here is willing to explain what BELIEVE means.
It pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe!

Sirs, what must I do to be saved.....Believe that God has raised him from the dead and thou shalt be saved
 
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Our Father is so great, He can make a worthless, selfish, blind, arrogant, aggressive, lustful, lying, hardheaded, hateful, man-child as I was without Him.... into something useful for His kingdom....


He is so wonderful....

I never will deserve the gifts He gives freely.....but I have forever to thank Him over and over.... for all He has done.... and does for me

including His use of you and my many brothers and sisters here


thanks bro....
I appreciate you more than you know...

one of these days you owe me a whooping in chess😆

If you think youre up to it.
:cool:
Hahha you are on migo.......hahah then we can crack off a few hundred rounds out of my AR-15 hahhaha
 
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Oh.
Well. THIS IS TRUE then.

IF you want to say that JESUS DOES IT ALL....
And WE have nothing to do with it....

THEN
you must understand that He is also responsible for when you sin....
Since HE does it all and we have nothing to do with it.

You have to bring your arguments to the logical conclusion.
Not hardly Fran......and you know better......
 

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As soon as you find me a verse where Jesus said all we have to do is "believe" in Him and we'll be saved. He NEVER said this. He just said we have to be born from above.
John 6:29 says we are to believe in Him....but NO ONE here is willing to explain what BELIEVE means.
Wonder why???


John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that He sent His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on Him shall be saved and have eternal life..

Key phrase: Whosoever BELIEVES ON HIM.
Edit: BTW, "believe" means to have faith..
 
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Consider this D,
If it's all Christ, as you say....before, and AFTER salvation...

Then should we be holding HIM responsible for when we sin?

Will be leaving for a while....



This is a rather strange idea?
God is not bound by time, He is eternal.
 

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Quote below is a lie......

"If we're born again and follow in His ways, we REMAIN saved.
If we do not follow Him and are not a disciple of His...we return to being unsave"

This is false.

We do not maintain our salvation.

If you want to know the truth the statement should say

"If we are born again we will follow His ways. Sometimes we will make mistakes, but we can fall on our knees and repent when God by His grace shows us our sins . We Remain saved because God gives us His Holy Spirit who remains with us.

Once adopted by God into His family, He will never toss us out into the street. He will always love us. Some of us may be prodigals but even when we run away from Home, God waits with open arms for us to return.

He never disowns us but loves us with Agape love."

Can you see the difference between the Gospel message of the New covenant and the lies of a secular old covenant mindset imitatition?

Modern day Pharisees.
 

AgapeShellArt

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Edit: BTW, "believe" means to have faith..
Exactly...

I wonder what we are "doing" if we listen to the Bible verse "Be still and know that I am God"?

Our beliefs will change as God reveals His truth.

For example I used your believe you would turn into an alligator if you ate sleeping down, but now know it's just a Cambodian proverb.

However the only Belief that matters is in the work of Jesus upon the Cross

Was it enough to save or do you have to add to it?

If Jesus work upon the Cross for the redemption of my sins isn't enough to save me, then nothing I do will ever be.

I don't work to be saved. I work because I know that I am saved and a beloved child of God.

Do you work to earn a reward/fear of losing your salavtion?

Or because your heart is overflowing with love?
 

blue_ladybug

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Exactly...

I wonder what we are "doing" if we listen to the Bible verse "Be still and know that I am God"?

Our beliefs will change as God reveals His truth.

For example I used your believe you would turn into an alligator if you ate sleeping down, but now know it's just a Cambodian proverb.

However the only Belief that matters is in the work of Jesus upon the Cross

Was it enough to save or do you have to add to it?

If Jesus work upon the Cross for the redemption of my sins isn't enough to save me, then nothing I do will ever be.

I don't work to be saved. I work because I know that I am saved and a beloved child of God.

Do you work to earn a reward/fear of losing your salavtion?

Or because your heart is overflowing with love?

Personally, I do works because it's the right thing to do when a person wants to serve God and be His example. No adding needed..

Every one on this thread who knows me, knows that I believe that works are not necessary to gain, maintain, keep or secure salvation. We do works to obey God and show His love to others. :)
 

blue_ladybug

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Salvation is a free gift. If we have to work for it as a reward, then it's not truly free. God's ONLY requirement to obtain salvation, is simply to believe in Jesus.
 
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Quote below is a lie......

"If we're born again and follow in His ways, we REMAIN saved.
If we do not follow Him and are not a disciple of His...we return to being unsave"

This is false.

We do not maintain our salvation.

If you want to know the truth the statement should say

"If we are born again we will follow His ways. Sometimes we will make mistakes, but we can fall on our knees and repent when God by His grace shows us our sins . We Remain saved because God gives us His Holy Spirit who remains with us.

Once adopted by God into His family, He will never toss us out into the street. He will always love us. Some of us may be prodigals but even when we run away from Home, God waits with open arms for us to return.

He never disowns us but loves us with Agape love."

Can you see the difference between the Gospel message of the New covenant and the lies of a secular old covenant mindset imitatition?

Modern day Pharisees.
Amen.....the scriptures are replete with the truth and it points fully to the security of the believer.......
 
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Salvation is a free gift. If we have to work for it as a reward, then it's not truly free. God's ONLY requirement to obtain salvation, is simply to believe in Jesus.
Amen Blue....the simplicity found in Christ.....

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe
 

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Just received this from a friend this morning. Just sharing this as info.

Everything hindering the rapture has been removed. Gospel has been preached almost everywhere. All the prophecies have been fulfilled. Angels physically seen and captured on camera @ Dansoman also gives a 'sign'. The devil is working very hard to occupy Christians with the things of this world so that the day will catch them unawares. Please be prepared. There is no more time, Use the advantage of this free sms to send this message to at least all ur contacts. Do not ignore. This is also a source of evangelism. Souls are dying. GOD bless you!Let’s Pray Hard: 6 6 6 The Mark of The Beast Prophesy Finally Fulfilled… as Written By: Jonathan Annobil. The US Senate has passed the Obama Health Bill into law. The implementation would commence soon. This bill would require all Americans to be implanted with a Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chip in order to access medical care. The device will be implanted on the forehead or on the arm. This is to fulfill the prophesy in the Book of Revelation 13: 15-18 concerning the MARK OF THE BEAST. Are you still doubting the END TIME? Do U know that the special car which was made for Obama is known as the BEAST? Get READY. The rapture is near! Revelations 13 is being played out right before us. Many are still unaware. Why is the chip being implanted exactly where the Bible says it would be? Why on the hand and forehead. Why not anywhere else? Why is it being connected to your bank account? Remember the Bible says you won't be able to buy or sell without the mark 6 6 6. And guess what! The chip is connected to your financial details. What breaks my heart the most is that many people in the Church will not make it if JESUS comes now? Many are unaware that the end is near. Don’t tell me that it's advancement in technology or development. If any area of your life is not in sync with GOD’s word, repent and be converted. If you miss heaven you can never miss hell….. think about it. Hell is not a pretty place. The worst part is that it is for eternity… He who has ears, let him hear what the Spirit says to the church. Please rather than post and forward senseless messages. Send this one to everyone you know. Do the work of an Evangelist. PLEASE SHARE THIS MESSAGE WITH ALL YOUR CONTACTS. Have you ever wondered what should have happened if we treat the Holy Bible the way we treat our mobile phone? And we really can’t live without it. Only 7% percent will re-send this message. Don’t be of the 93% who will not share the message. Satan said. “I wonder how humans claim to LOVE GOD and disobey HIM, and claim they hate me yet they obey me” Do not send later. Share and send now. May Almighty GOD grant success to everyone who reads and sends this message. Tomorrow may be too late. Stay blessed.
 

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...They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good. Titus 1:16
 

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This is a rather strange idea?
God is not bound by time, He is eternal.

I have thought of that most of my Christian Life.

HE declares the End from the Beginning, Because HE is already in simultaneously in both Places.

HE wrote our Names in the Book of Life, before the Foundation of the World, because their is NO TIME WITH GOD.

GOD IS NOT A CREATED BEING TRAVELING THROUGH TIME, HE LITERALLY IS THE CREATOR OF TIME AS WE KNOW IT.

GOD DOES NOT FIT IN A BOX THAT WE CALL TIME.

INFINITE IS OUR GOD, AND FINITE IS THE TIME WE LIVE IN.


GRASP THAT, AND YOU REALIZE THAT GOD IS MUCH, MUCH BIGGER THAN YOU USED TO THINK OF HIM.
 

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... It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. THE LORD WILL PUNISH MEN FOR ALL SUCH SINS, as we have already told you and WARNED YOU. For GOD DID NOT CALL YOU TO BE IMPURE, BUT TO LIVE A HOLY LIFE. Therefore, HE WHO REJECTS THIS INSTRUCTION DOES NOT REJECT MAN BUT GOD, who gives you his Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8

... Therefore, PREPARE YOUR MINDS FOR ACTION; be self-controlled; SET YOUR HOPE FULLY ON THE GRACE TO BE GIVEN YOU WHEN JESUS CHRIST IS REVEALED. As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:13-16

... But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

...I know your deeds, you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF MY GOD.3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT, AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3

...See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, IF WE TURN AWAY FROM HIM WHO WARNS US FROM HEAVEN? Hebrews 12:25
 
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I have thought of that most of my Christian Life.

HE declares the End from the Beginning, Because HE is already in simultaneously in both Places.

HE wrote our Names in the Book of Life, before the Foundation of the World, because their is NO TIME WITH GOD.

GOD IS NOT A CREATED BEING TRAVELING THROUGH TIME, HE LITERALLY IS THE CREATOR OF TIME AS WE KNOW IT.

GOD DOES NOT FIT IN A BOX THAT WE CALL TIME.

INFINITE IS OUR GOD, AND FINITE IS THE TIME WE LIVE IN.


GRASP THAT, AND YOU REALIZE THAT GOD IS MUCH, MUCH BIGGER THAN YOU USED TO THINK OF HIM.

Amen and Amen, thank you for sharing this!! :)

(But when I try to think on this my head does start to hurt. LOL)