Are there two gospels or ONE?
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Yes,this is the main problem.
We have a pauline adherant in our mens bible study.
Very disruptive and paranoid over the law.
In james the opening sentance " to the 12 tribes..."
So ANYTHING from James he rejects.
Same with 1 peter,revelation,the ot,and the gospels.
They ERRONEOUSLY place the gospels in the ot.
Very very off and poorly thought out.
We have a pauline adherant in our mens bible study.
Very disruptive and paranoid over the law.
In james the opening sentance " to the 12 tribes..."
So ANYTHING from James he rejects.
Same with 1 peter,revelation,the ot,and the gospels.
They ERRONEOUSLY place the gospels in the ot.
Very very off and poorly thought out.
The reaction of the disciples and the apostles to Jesus being arrested and beaten and hung on a crucifix and killed is the answer to understanding the Olivet Discourse. Pardon me for saying this bluntly but until it is understood why the disciples reacted(their acts) the way they did after Jesus was was crucified the question the disciples ask Jesus will not make any sense at all because they were not asking about his second coming.
One has to rightly divide the word of truth. We have to make sure we are following ou God given spokesman for the church, the body of Christ which is the Apostle Paul and the directions the Lord gave him for us to follow.
For example, the Lord gave Abraham directions to follow. If Abraham ignored thos directions and instead followed the directions the Lord gave Noah, he would have been obeying God’s directions, just not the right directions for him specifically. Abraham would have been in error. It’s called progressive revelation. As human history developed, God gave man exactly what he needed.
After the resurrection and the rejection of Israel of their Messiah, God would choose Paul to reveal more truth to establish the body of Christ made up of mostly Gentiles. Paul received an abundance of revelation of truth that had not yet been revealed to anyone else. As we follow Paul, we follow Christ and His direction for His body.
For example, the Lord gave Abraham directions to follow. If Abraham ignored thos directions and instead followed the directions the Lord gave Noah, he would have been obeying God’s directions, just not the right directions for him specifically. Abraham would have been in error. It’s called progressive revelation. As human history developed, God gave man exactly what he needed.
After the resurrection and the rejection of Israel of their Messiah, God would choose Paul to reveal more truth to establish the body of Christ made up of mostly Gentiles. Paul received an abundance of revelation of truth that had not yet been revealed to anyone else. As we follow Paul, we follow Christ and His direction for His body.
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James and Peter agreed with Paul's message, as shown by their endorsement of Paul at the council of Jerusalem in Acts ch15. And Peter, in his second letter likened Pauls letters to the scriptures, so I doubt they believed Paul preached a different gospel as it were, but he explained it in a way they did not.
You have to remember, Paul had been an ardent Pharisee who fully understood the laws demands. He knew no one could be righteous by obeying the law. Her wasn't against righteous living, or adherence to what was actually written in the moral law, for he earnestly preached righteousness, but how he believed righteous living was to be achieved was certainly new for the time.
Some today will stress you must obey the Ten Commandments for instance. They may tell you, you must obey that law to prove you love Jesus, or, you must obey it because it is moral law and no one can expect to be in a saved state if they ignore the moral law/moral living. It sounds great, but how many who state that have the understanding Paul had as to what such obedience entails? Paul knew that to covet/lust/dwell on impure thoughts in your mind broke the tenth commandment. You can break the ten commandments in thought, without anyone but God knowing you are doing that. How many who insist you must obey the ten commandments understand that? Therefore to obey the ten commandments, with stipulation they must be obeyed to be in a saved state, is to demand something that is impossible for man to fully achieve. For Paul knew, the letter of that law killed(2Cor3:6-9)
Paul was vehemently against righteousness of obeying the law. For he knew such true righteousness was unobtainable, for it required perfect obedience of it. But he was for what was written in the moral law being reflected in a believers life:
Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law Rom3:31
I think many find it hard to understand Paul's central message, Peter said some things Paul wrote were hard to understand.
You have to remember, Paul had been an ardent Pharisee who fully understood the laws demands. He knew no one could be righteous by obeying the law. Her wasn't against righteous living, or adherence to what was actually written in the moral law, for he earnestly preached righteousness, but how he believed righteous living was to be achieved was certainly new for the time.
Some today will stress you must obey the Ten Commandments for instance. They may tell you, you must obey that law to prove you love Jesus, or, you must obey it because it is moral law and no one can expect to be in a saved state if they ignore the moral law/moral living. It sounds great, but how many who state that have the understanding Paul had as to what such obedience entails? Paul knew that to covet/lust/dwell on impure thoughts in your mind broke the tenth commandment. You can break the ten commandments in thought, without anyone but God knowing you are doing that. How many who insist you must obey the ten commandments understand that? Therefore to obey the ten commandments, with stipulation they must be obeyed to be in a saved state, is to demand something that is impossible for man to fully achieve. For Paul knew, the letter of that law killed(2Cor3:6-9)
Paul was vehemently against righteousness of obeying the law. For he knew such true righteousness was unobtainable, for it required perfect obedience of it. But he was for what was written in the moral law being reflected in a believers life:
Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law Rom3:31
I think many find it hard to understand Paul's central message, Peter said some things Paul wrote were hard to understand.
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Ok.....so you have Matthew, Mark, Luke, John.....all during Christ’s earthly ministry...all given the Great Commision......why enter Paul? If there is no significance to him, (as you say, same as the others, same message etc) Why magnify his office? why send Paul to the gentiles? He was not present at the ascension, he was not a witness to the life of Jesus in his earthly ministry...why?
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Good stuff.
The how of Christ’s death is revealed in the four Gospels, but the whys and wherefores of His death where not completely revealed until after His death. Only then, did the world find out that Christ died specifically for our sins, became sin for us, and we must trust in Him for forgiveness of sins.
The how of Christ’s death is revealed in the four Gospels, but the whys and wherefores of His death where not completely revealed until after His death. Only then, did the world find out that Christ died specifically for our sins, became sin for us, and we must trust in Him for forgiveness of sins.
Oh.....sooooo Christ whom picked each deciple in his earthly ministry, did not figure in each deciples ability? Man had to figure out that the Great commission was not without its flaws? Hmm.....I find it hard to believe that GOD, was insufficient with whom he originally selected to preach the Great Commision, suddenly felt like they were incapable.....as you say, Paul understood better right? I have a better one, Paul had a specific message, not known from ages before, Paul unveiled the mystery to the Gentile as Christ told him to do....
Jesus speaking about being born again is prophetic in nature because He knew that He was sent to die on the cross for the sins of man. That truth, however, was hidden from man until after the resurrection.
John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
This truth is prophetic in nature. He's telling Nicodemus what He was sent to do, but none understood this truth at the time.
Remember, the entire Bible is written for you, but not all of it is written to you.
John 3
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
This truth is prophetic in nature. He's telling Nicodemus what He was sent to do, but none understood this truth at the time.
Remember, the entire Bible is written for you, but not all of it is written to you.
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Right. They would not have known/understood to ask such a question (I am continually making that point 
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At the time of His Olivet Discourse (and their question to Him in 24:3), He HAD already spoken to them about "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" (when the angels will "REAP"; Matt13:30,39,40,49-50) and "the age [singular] to come" (Matt12:32; what WE now label as "the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom"), and His response follows that, in 2 chpts (24-25). They knew/understood of nothing else (and their "understanding" is still reflected in their Q of Acts 1... they just did not understand the TIMING of it, which is how Jesus responds there; that is, regarding its TIMING, not its NATURE)
).At the time of His Olivet Discourse (and their question to Him in 24:3), He HAD already spoken to them about "the end [singular] of the age [singular]" (when the angels will "REAP"; Matt13:30,39,40,49-50) and "the age [singular] to come" (Matt12:32; what WE now label as "the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom"), and His response follows that, in 2 chpts (24-25). They knew/understood of nothing else (and their "understanding" is still reflected in their Q of Acts 1... they just did not understand the TIMING of it, which is how Jesus responds there; that is, regarding its TIMING, not its NATURE)
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1 Corinthians 4:16-17, Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me. For this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus, who is my beloved son, and faithful in the Lord, who shall bring you into remembrance of my ways which be in Christ, as I teach every where in every church.
2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
Philippians 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
Philippians 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
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IMO, that ^ is kinda like saying the following:
[which of the following statements is TRUE?]
--because Jesus said the words in Matthew 24:36, this means He STILL does NOT "know" anything regarding the "day and hour" (of that subject/context) even after His "exaltation" [32ad or thereabouts, whichever year you believe He died/rose again]
--[OR] the word "knoweth" is in the "perfect tense" which means (basically) "until further information is supplied that changes that status," which is what I believe the LATER "[The] Revelation of Jesus Christ [95ad], WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [Jesus] TO SHEW UNTO His servants things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]..." concluding with His Second Coming to the earth (the SUBJECT of Matt24:36 and its Olivet Discourse CONTEXT). [incl'g its numerous time-stamps details, throughout (Rev)]
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Jesus HAD said (just before His death), "I have YET MANY THINGS to say unto you..." (but few seem to think He spoke any further; 1Cor2)
[which of the following statements is TRUE?]
--because Jesus said the words in Matthew 24:36, this means He STILL does NOT "know" anything regarding the "day and hour" (of that subject/context) even after His "exaltation" [32ad or thereabouts, whichever year you believe He died/rose again]
--[OR] the word "knoweth" is in the "perfect tense" which means (basically) "until further information is supplied that changes that status," which is what I believe the LATER "[The] Revelation of Jesus Christ [95ad], WHICH GOD GAVE UNTO HIM [Jesus] TO SHEW UNTO His servants things which must come to pass IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]..." concluding with His Second Coming to the earth (the SUBJECT of Matt24:36 and its Olivet Discourse CONTEXT). [incl'g its numerous time-stamps details, throughout (Rev)]
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Jesus HAD said (just before His death), "I have YET MANY THINGS to say unto you..." (but few seem to think He spoke any further; 1Cor2)