Are there two gospels or ONE?

[Endoscopy]

No,he didnt preach the law.
Nor did he instruct his Jewish disciples to be under the law for a season.
The Ot ended at JTB. Not the resurrection.

Please explain the following quote of Jesus on the law.

Matthew 5 AMPC
17 Do not think that I have come to do away with or undo the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to do away with or undo but to complete and fulfill them.
18 For truly I tell you, until the sky and earth pass away and perish, not one smallest letter nor one little hook [identifying certain Hebrew letters] will pass from the Law until all things [it foreshadows] are accomplished.
19 Whoever then breaks or does away with or relaxes one of the least [important] of these commandments and teaches men so shall be called least [important] in the kingdom of heaven, but he who practices them and teaches others to do so shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


In addition to the 10 commandments there are the laws scattered through the Torah.

List of the 613 laws in the Torah
http://www.gods-word-first.org/bible-study/613commandments.html

Discussion about the 613 laws in the Torah
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments

 

[Absolutely]

"The one believing in the Son of God has the testimony in himself; the one not believing God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has testified [perfect tense] concerning His Son."

How else were we (nearly 2000 years later) to know anything about His death and resurrection, unless it were passed onto us through eye-witness testimony (of those who were there to witness that He was ALIVE again) including the subsequent recording of it in scripture (1Cor15:1-4); we were not present then and there... that gospel had to be passed onto us.


[Rom1:4 - "by [means of] resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord"]

Preacing the Gospel is not salvation.
The sinner meeting God through our efforts is a good thing.
The transaction is a personal thing.
Recieving a new heart and being born again can come without any man's help,or gospel message.
Paul and i ,as well as thousands others,have been brought in with no gospel message.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

See what is going on?
A message is bigger than the savior.
Oh how oh how oh how did this happen to the church?????

Except that no one is saying that people BEFORE the cross were not saved.

 

[Endoscopy]

Salvation has become a concept,not a person.

This should not be

Salvation is a concept not a person. It is accomplished by a person accepting the free gift from God of grace through faith in Jesus.

 

[Hevosmies]

Salvation is a concept not a person. It is accomplished by a person accepting the free gift from God of grace through faith in Jesus.

I AM the resurrection and the LIFE says Jesus. I am the door says Jesus

 

[Marcelo]

The OT ended at JTB.
16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Good point! I'll have to read all the text carefully.

 

[stonesoffire]

Salvation has become a concept,not a person.

This should not be

True for Yeshu in Hebrew translates to that. But, there are facts about what He's given to men.

First He sets up His kingdom within our Spirit. Then brings us to heaven upon our death or the catching up. Though we are positioned simultaneously in both....we then experience both.

 

[Endoscopy]

Preacing the Gospel is not salvation.
The sinner meeting God through our efforts is a good thing.
The transaction is a personal thing.
Recieving a new heart and being born again can come without any man's help,or gospel message.
Paul and i ,as well as thousands others,have been brought in with no gospel message.

That transaction is called salvation!!

 

[stonesoffire]

Luk_17:21　 People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you."

Try a topical study on the kingdom of God. For demons won't be cast out in the kingdom of heaven. That's already done.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Regarding Luke 16:16, a quote by Wm Kelly:

[quoting]

" "The law and the prophets [were] until John: from that time the glad tidings of the kingdom of God are preached,"' and every one forceth his way into it." It was in vain, therefore, to rest all upon the law and its rewards to faithfulness. In fact, they had broken the law; and because of this, indeed, were given the prophets, who reproved their iniquities, laid bare the actual state of ruin, and bore witness of a wholly new condition, which would end the present by judgment and introduce a new state, never to pass away. John Baptist, as the immediate herald of the Messiah, insisted on repentance in view of the immediate advent of Christ. This sweeps away all the self-righteousness of man. It is not that the law is not good; the defect lay not there, but in those who, being sinful, felt it not, but assumed to make out a righteousness of their own under law. "Since John's time," says our Lord, "the glad tidings of the kingdom of God are preached." It is not here as in Matthew 11:12: "The kingdom of the heavens is taken by violence and the violent seize on it." There it is a question of the true hope of Israel, and the necessity of breaking through all that opposes faith. But here it is much more ground opened to man if he believed. "The kingdom of God is preached, and every one forceth his way into it." "Is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also; seeing it is one God who shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through their faith. Do we then make law void through faith? Far be it. Yea, we establish law." (Romans 3:29f.) Thus the great apostle. So here the Lord says, "And it is easier that the heaven and the earth should pass away than that one tittle of the law should fail." (Matthew 5:18.) Neither the truth nor faith enfeebles the law; rather do they maintain its authority over all that are under it as well as its intrinsic righteousness. Certainly our Lord not only honoured it to the highest degree, but gave it the weightiest sanction; 412 for He obeyed it perfectly in His life and was made a curse according to it in His death.
"But those who while under it hope to stand on that ground before God do really destroy its authority, without intending or even knowing it. For they hope to be saved under law, though they know they have broken it and that it calls for their condemnation."

[end quoting; bold and underline mine]

--William Kelly, Luke 16 Commentary, source: Bible Hub

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ EDIT to add: This is the passage I mentioned earlier (and its parallel), from Peter's message in Acts 3 (regarding the TWO distinct "RAISE/RAISED" aspects in that chpt 3 [ONE in His earthly ministry BEFORE His death ('raise up to a position of prominence BEFORE His death'); the OTHER AFTER His death ('raised from THE DEAD')]):

"a prophet like unto Moses" - Acts 3:22 (7:37) [before His death]

 

[Endoscopy]

I AM the resurrection and the LIFE says Jesus. I am the door says Jesus

More complete scripture.

John 11 AMPC
25 Jesus said to her, I am [Myself] the Resurrection and the Life. Whoever believes in (adheres to, trusts in, and relies on) Me, although he may die, yet he shall live;
26 And whoever continues to live and believes in (has faith in, cleaves to, and relies on) Me shall never [actually] die at all. Do you believe this?

 

[Marcelo]

The OT ended at JTB.
16 The law and the prophets were until John:

I said I'll have to read the whole text carefully, but meanwhile could you answer me why did Jesus tell his disciples to obey the scribes and the Pharisees?

 

[John146]

Through a woman sin came,death to man
Through a woman the savior came ,life.
Just one of many doors to the Jesus room.
Jesus is salvation.
Jesus.
He is salvation.

If you said that to people, no one would get saved. You have to preach what Jesus accomplished on the cross.

 

[John146]

The Jailer got saved outside of that template.
Belived Jesus,got saved.
It is a given that he died and arose

Let's take a look:

Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

Paul and Silas expounded by what it meant to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[John146]

Kingdom of God, kingdom of heaven. Same thing. different wording. No need to make a distinction when none is there. Just like there is no difference between gospel of peace and gospel of God. ITS ALL THE SAME.

Here is proof KoG and KoH are used interchangeably:


Matthew 19:23-24 King James Version (KJV)
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

A quote from GotQuestions:

"Mark and Luke used “kingdom of God” where Matthew used “kingdom of heaven” frequently in parallel accounts of the same parable Compare Matthew 11:11-12 with Luke 7:28; Matthew 13:11with Mark 4:11 and Luke 8:10; Matthew 13:24 with Mark 4:26; Matthew 13:31 with Mark 4:30 and Luke 13:18; Matthew 13:33 with Luke 13:20; Matthew 18:3 with Mark 10:14 and Luke 18:16; and Matthew 22:2 with Luke 13:29. In each instance, Matthew used the phrase “kingdom of heaven” while Mark and/or Luke used “kingdom of God.” Clearly, the two phrases refer to the same thing. "

Source: https://www.gotquestions.org/kingdom-heaven-God.html

Simply put, the word kingdom and the word God are not the same. These are two different things. Jesus taught both aspects of the kingdom. One was physical and meant only for the Jews. The other spiritual and applied to Jew and Gentile. Both will be realized at His second coming.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

This was too long to quote, about Hebrews 7 and Melchisedec:

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/gaebelein/hebrews/7.htm

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ EDIT to add: This is the passage I mentioned earlier (and its parallel), from Peter's message in Acts 3 (regarding the TWO distinct "RAISE/RAISED" aspects in that chpt 3 [ONE in His earthly ministry BEFORE His death ('raise up to a position of prominence BEFORE His death'); the OTHER AFTER His death ('raised from THE DEAD')]):

"a prophet like unto Moses" - Acts 3:22 (7:37) [before His death]

[quoting the full verse now] Peter speaking to "ye men of Israel":

"For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up to you a prophet like me out from your brothers. You will listen to Him in all things, as many as He might say to you." - Acts 3:22.

[this was with regard to His earthly ministry BEFORE His death (that is, "RAISE" to a position of prominence BEFORE His death on the cross)--the other "raise" in the chpt is with regard to His "resurrection" following His death; TWO distinct "RAISE/RAISED" issues covered in this chpt 3]

 

[Rightlydivided]

Thousands are saved by Jesus.
Thousands are saved under a ministry preaching.
I got saved like paul. Just Jesus showing up. He showed up. I bowed. I worshipped Him. He put a new heart in me. I understood nothing,only that i had a new master.

The Gospel is a person,not a message,not paul,and not a section of a book.

Through a woman sin came,death to man
Through a woman the savior came ,life.
Just one of many doors to the Jesus room.
Jesus is salvation.
Jesus.
He is salvation.

Only one way sir, Oprah teaches many ways


1 Corinthians 15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Just one of many doors to the Jesus room.

You are trying to say that "preaching" [that is, some form of communication (spoken, written...)] is one of many ways to Jesus, but not the only way that a person can learn of Him [and "hear"]??



[1 John 5:10-11 - "...the record that God gave [perfect tense] of His Son. And this is the record, that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son"]



In 1Cor2:9-10,16b, it is speaking of Scripture as recorded following His death/resurrection... (via the NT "apostles and prophets")