Praying in Tongues

[Ignorun]

how would you know when you admit you are spiritually challenged and it appears you have ignored any reference I made to that

what has been clearly established and revealed is that you don't have a peg leg to stand on

And you're a wolf in wolf's clothing! You can't hide. A heart full of dead men's bones. A Jezebel. Dogs licked up her blood. Your responses are ungodly, judgmental, and full of hate. Woman of Babylon: Quit gloating in assumptions and selfrighteouness.

 

[notuptome]

huh

well when you speak in tongues you get to really really really understand what it is to know the Lord and those who are His and the oneness of spirit through His Spirit

too bad you are missing out

How is that possible if you do not know the tongue? Truly beyond highly speculative.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Yeah it was nuts.....people running across the stage to be bowled over by a jacket swing.....97% of it is nothing but flesh........the funny thing...Jesus sat the people down and in decent order taught the word of God, he did not back flip down the isle uttering some mumbo jumbo.....I worked with one once that sat at a break table and said, " We got so besides ourselves yesterday that we forgot to preach the word." I said, " Well, you did not worship God then." He got all puffed up as they all do and proceeded to mouth and I said listen pal....The worship of God is in spirit and IN TRUTH....If you did not PREACH the word you did not worship God........

The order of service, how the Lord did it, what Paul commanded pastors in Timothy and Titus is clear.........regardless of what anyone states.....!

well Jesus did a whole buncha things you would not have approved of and still does today by the Holy Spirit

now neither Jesus and probably most folks here, are not in agreement with the Hinn sideshow. if that is your criteria for judging tongues, I would like to point out that is not biblical criteria for anything but rejecting what is going on

Paul was quite succinct in his instructions to Corinth and even so, sometimes stuff 'happens'...like when all the demons in the Gadarene man went into the pigs and the pigs went swimming and drowned. you know, God does not fit the average sermon on a Sunday or any other day morning.

men are control freaks if left to their own devices. just like the religious leaders of Jesus day. puffed up, full of pride and as boring as hades

why allow the Holy Spirit to lead, when most men want to be the center of attention and be admired for all their cough cough 'knowledge'

y'all must think heaven consists of Jesus with a mic telling everyone to sit down and listen up for the guest speaker

 

[7seasrekeyed]

And you're a wolf in wolf's clothing! You can't hide. A heart full of dead men's bones. A Jezebel. Dogs licked up her blood. Your responses are ungodly, judgmental, and full of hate. Woman of Babylon: Quit gloating in assumptions and selfrighteouness.

no, I am actually a spirit filled believer who speaks in tongues, also has the gifts of a 'word of knowledge', occasionally wisdom and often praise and worship

you are seriously in need of accepting our Lord Jesus Christ as your Savior and it appears you hang around wanting some, but the devil has a grip on you

you know enough of scripture though to appear to have at one time sat down under someone

 

[RickyZ]

Knowledge received while privately praying in tongues stopped an acquaintance from slicing her wrists and led her to a place of ministry - don't you DARE assume that all uses are without value!

Ignorun gave a thumbs down to someone being Spiritually stopped from cutting herself and possibly dying? Wow. Pretty much says everything one needs to know as to why he is so out to lunch on this.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Ignorun gave a thumbs down to someone being Spiritually stopped from cutting herself and possibly dying? Wow. Pretty much says everything one needs to know as to why he is so out to lunch on this.

he running from God and hates what he is doing

like so much of the world

 

[stonesoffire]

Tongues, as referenced in the Bible are real, rational languages. What some Christians are producing today is non-cognitive non-language utterance; there are no 'words', it is not language. When these seemingly change from 'one tongue to anther', it's just another subset of sounds (in your native language, or any language you may have been exposed to) you're drawing from. The result is the illusion that several distinct "tongues" are spoken.

Thank you for your book report Kavik.

What do you do with the Penn State studies of the brain where tongues originate?

 

[stonesoffire]

There's no such thing as church fathers, "Barnabas, Clement, the Shepherd of Hermas, Ignatius, Polycarp, Diognetus and many more like Origen" had biological sons and daughters and that's the furthest their fatherhood goes, anything above that should be coming from satan.

Matt 23:8 But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Christ.



There's also no such thing as awakenings or revivals, as far as the kingdom of God is concerned, no one can say there it is or here it is, or see that awakening or this revival, or see those in the corner speaking meaningless words, it is about the heart and only God knows the heart.
I thought you knew this:

Luke 17:20 When asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The kingdom of God will not come with observable signs. 21Nor will people say, ‘Look, here it is,’ or ‘There it is.’ For you see, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Such a good list but a waste of time.

Jon 1:6　 So the shipmaster came to him and said unto him, What meanest thou, O sleeper? arise, call upon thy God, if so be that he will have compassion upon us that we not perish.

That's not the one that I would of chosen. It's the one that God gave me.

 

[Ignorun]

Knowledge received while privately praying in tongues stopped an acquaintance from slicing her wrists and led her to a place of ministry - don't you DARE assume that all uses are without value!

Praying privately! Reminds me of WHILE WE WERE ASLEEP HIS DISCIPLES STOLE THE BODY.
Started a ministry! Yep, great way to start it off. "I was alone, going to kill myself, prayed in tongues. Didn't kill myself..." Reminds me of hundreds who were in private, no witnesses, and started "ministries". Your acquaintance just had to tell you about her private experience and HER MINISTRY. Trust her and her ministry! She had a private personal miraculous experience!
Aligns with Mary Baker Eddy, Joe Smith, Jim Bakker, Mohammed, and many other false teachers.

 

[stonesoffire]

Do not argue with me, argue with this:

Jer 31:
34No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother,
saying, ‘Know the LORD,’
because they will all know Me,
from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD.

Exactly why everyone born again has the Spirit of Christ! But, then Pentecost came. The power of the Spirit of God; the same Spirit that rose Jesus from death; the same Spirit by which He moved in the giftings too. Or didn't you realize that He did?

 

[garee]

Fallacy: out of context! Jesus didn't say anything remotely like, "Don't marvel at all at anything, lest your faith be founded in falsehood".

The law pertaining to sign that men use to marvel or wonder rather than walking buy faith the unseen eternal it applies wherever signs are made available. In the end of the matter revealing men seek after the things seen rather that believing God through the scriptures, as prophecy... confirming unbelief (no faith) It was used with Moses and the Exodus as well as any time the Jews demanded a sign before they would believe (commit faith)

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthian14:21 22

The faithless Jew made Christ into a circus seal saying... show us a wonderment and then we will believe, by marveling. Therefore making the word of God, prophecy without effect.

John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Jesus confirmed those who refuses to hear prophecy in exchange for a signs and wonders gospel

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Mark 7:13Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

In Mathew he repeats the law found in 1 Corinthians 14 :21-22 as to what it confirm and who the sign is against. Another way of saying..."Don't marvel at all at anything, lest your faith be founded in falsehood"

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

 

[stonesoffire]

Attributing things to God that are not from God is equally blasphemous and they that do it will equally have to answer.

Matt 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

The most disturbing thing about your statement is the fear. Fear is not from God, it shows you are not sure of what you talking about and you'd rather play safe with the masses and what you have been taught. on the contrary, i know what i'm talking about.

1 John 4:
15If anyone confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. 16And we have come to know and believe the love that God has for us. God is love; whoever abides in love abides in God, and God in him. 17In this way, love has been perfected among us, so that we may have confidence on the day of judgment; for in this world we are just like Him.

18There is no fear in love, but perfect love drives out fear, because fear involves punishment. The one who fears has not been perfected in love. 19We love because He first loved us.

Thank you for bolding the part "so that we may have confidence on the day of judgement; for in this world we are just like Him.

Did you know the scripture says also that if you say you live in Him, then walk as He walked?

 

[stonesoffire]

I definitely agree that Tongues and Languages are basically the same. But the specific word listed as what Paul used, according to the
Koine Greek, are used differently. Which is why I was pointing it out, because it claims there is a difference. Ironically though, look at the Greek for each word. It is almost identical with the exception of the first character. And could easily be misinterpreted/mistranslated for one another.

Tongues = γλώσσες
Languages = Γλώσσες

ok, it was me misunderstanding you. Sorry .

 

[Ignorun]

138899"]Ignorun gave a thumbs down to someone being Spiritually stopped from cutting herself and possibly dying? Wow. Pretty much says everything one needs to know as to why he is so out to lunch on this.[/QUOTE]
False teachers thrive off people like you. Her ministry is based on a private experience and she made sure put the two together.
You are now bound to believe her when she claims a private revelation to her from God.
She lines up with Mary Baker, Joe Smith, Mohammed.

 

[garee]

Praying privately! Reminds me of WHILE WE WERE ASLEEP HIS DISCIPLES STOLE THE BODY.
Started a ministry! Yep, great way to start it off. "I was alone, going to kill myself, prayed in tongues. Didn't kill myself..." Reminds me of hundreds who were in private, no witnesses, and started "ministries". Your acquaintance just had to tell you about her private experience and HER MINISTRY. Trust her and her ministry! She had a private personal miraculous experience!
Aligns with Mary Baker Eddy, Joe Smith, Jim Bakker, Mohammed, and many other false teachers.

praying in tongues other langues other than Hebrew alone is prophecy .

All of the prayers of David are inspired by God as prophecy as tongue in his own language . The idea of trying to make tongues sounds that have no authority by which one could hear the gospel is not a biblical teaching. Rather than confirming prophecy they turn it into a wonderment as sign against them who refuse to believe the word of God.

 

[stonesoffire]

And you're a wolf in wolf's clothing! You can't hide. A heart full of dead men's bones. A Jezebel. Dogs licked up her blood. Your responses are ungodly, judgmental, and full of hate. Woman of Babylon: Quit gloating in assumptions and selfrighteouness.

A very troublesome post. One that should be reported I guess.

 

[stonesoffire]

Praying privately! Reminds me of WHILE WE WERE ASLEEP HIS DISCIPLES STOLE THE BODY.
Started a ministry! Yep, great way to start it off. "I was alone, going to kill myself, prayed in tongues. Didn't kill myself..." Reminds me of hundreds who were in private, no witnesses, and started "ministries". Your acquaintance just had to tell you about her private experience and HER MINISTRY. Trust her and her ministry! She had a private personal miraculous experience!
Aligns with Mary Baker Eddy, Joe Smith, Jim Bakker, Mohammed, and many other false teachers.

You mean kind of like the new birth experience? personal, miraculous...transformation~

 

[Ignorun]

A very troublesome post. One that should be reported I guess.

Noooo! Please. I beg of you. Stonesoffire, remember Jesus, he called two disciples who wanted FIRE from heaven to rain upon a city, sons of thunder! Stonesoffire, remember also Jesus said about those who would wanted the sinner to be STONED to death...Im sure you STONESOFFIRE...remember both!
I beg for mercy. Please.
Now that's funny.
Stonesoffire, do you know or are you related to the SONS OF THUNDER?
That's funny.
I beg for mercy.
Smile face here, but won't attach... I'll go with colon...

 

[Ignorun]

Noooo! Please. I beg of you. Stonesoffire, remember Jesus, he called two disciples who wanted FIRE from heaven to rain upon a city, sons of thunder! Stonesoffire, remember also Jesus said about those who would wanted the sinner to be STONED to death...Im sure you STONESOFFIRE...remember both!
I beg for mercy. Please.
Now that's funny.
Stonesoffire, do you know or are you related to the SONS OF THUNDER?
That's funny.
I beg for mercy.
Smile face here, but won't attach... I'll go with colon...

It worked! But while I'm here, I ask again from Stonesoffire to be merciful.

 

[Ignorun]

You mean kind of like the new birth experience? personal, miraculous...transformation~

Not even close.