Praying in Tongues
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Not sure yet if I am misunderstanding you or you me, or we are agreeing. 
My point...tongues are languages. I speak more than one and know when they change. It's words. Just not English words.
So to say either language or tongues, it doesn't matter.
My point...tongues are languages. I speak more than one and know when they change. It's words. Just not English words.
So to say either language or tongues, it doesn't matter.
I definitely agree that Tongues and Languages are basically the same. But the specific word listed as what Paul used, according to the
Koine Greek, are used differently. Which is why I was pointing it out, because it claims there is a difference. Ironically though, look at the Greek for each word. It is almost identical with the exception of the first character. And could easily be misinterpreted/mistranslated for one another.
Tongues = γλώσσες
Languages = Γλώσσες
Non of the churchfathers and founders of the reformation taught what we find since the pentecostal movement started first in Topeka and then in Azusastreet. Otherwise we would find this in f.e. Calvinism and Protestant church of Luther.
No revival is a proof that praying in tongues for today church as it is written in 1Cor.14 for the church in Corinth.
And thats the cruix. If you would be right, then speaking in tongues would be normal for every bornagain christian. And we had no need to discuss for.
Movements which supporting false teachings are in my eyes not from God.
And if they would speak in tongues the whole day and would perrform many miracles.
What you think through what many christians would be deceived.? And the bible talks about, that in the last time many will be deceived because of signs and miracles.
Today, the only big movements which are proclaiming signs and wonders are the pentecostal and the charismatic movements.
No revival is a proof that praying in tongues for today church as it is written in 1Cor.14 for the church in Corinth.
And thats the cruix. If you would be right, then speaking in tongues would be normal for every bornagain christian. And we had no need to discuss for.
Movements which supporting false teachings are in my eyes not from God.
And if they would speak in tongues the whole day and would perrform many miracles.
What you think through what many christians would be deceived.? And the bible talks about, that in the last time many will be deceived because of signs and miracles.
Today, the only big movements which are proclaiming signs and wonders are the pentecostal and the charismatic movements.
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I would agree God who is not served by human hands in any way shape or form performs miracles every day. Miracles what some might call little ones or ones that cause a wonder are simply miracles, nothing more and nothing less. God is nothing less.
He could of destroyed the whole first creation when he found iniquity in the heart of the earth but as a miracle in mercy he has arranged to work with man in man for approx. 80 years.
If He commands us not to wonder in respect to the greatest miracle as being born agin raised from the dead surely the idea of chasing after wonderments as a sign a wonders gospel he would forbid. We walk by faith the unseen .
If he instructs us not to wonder or marvel . Natural man's source of fait
John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
There will be signs of the times. But signs as wonders seeing God is no longer adding to His word seeing we have the perfect .The air way is still open to signs and lying wonders as the evil generation (no faith) who do seek after a signs and wonders gospel.
2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
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I was not thinking of taking away the possible good. I have been blessed by many here who have had religious training and study of other languages.
How many teaching facilities teach how can we hear God and seek after His approval ? Most already have their own end goal to edify the school.
I am suggesting more taking away the possibilities of being influences by the antichrists that insist a man must teach. like Saul when he was under the influence of the antichrists called a law of the fathers "brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel" or Tertullus .
My goal since we are lovingly commanded to study in order to seek after Him who has no form and warned of the motive of operation of the antichrists. This is seeing we walk by faith, the unseen Holy Place and not after any man seen . So then the goal is more how do we hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches rather than what do the private interpretations of men called heresies instruct us.
I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the "law of the fathers", and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day. And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.Acts 22: 2-5
He has not left us as orphans without a guide to proper hermeneutics . He gives us many warnings and instruction as to how we can hear Him and he brings to our mind that which he has taught us. Like for instance without parables Christ spoke not giving us the honor as a kingdom of priest to search out the spiritual understanding, or how do we walk by faith in order to find the hidden meaning in parables the signified language of God like below?
While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2 Corinthians 4:18
How many teaching facilities teach how can we hear God and seek after His approval ? Most already have their own end goal to edify the school.
I am suggesting more taking away the possibilities of being influences by the antichrists that insist a man must teach. like Saul when he was under the influence of the antichrists called a law of the fathers "brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel" or Tertullus .
My goal since we are lovingly commanded to study in order to seek after Him who has no form and warned of the motive of operation of the antichrists. This is seeing we walk by faith, the unseen Holy Place and not after any man seen . So then the goal is more how do we hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches rather than what do the private interpretations of men called heresies instruct us.
I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the "law of the fathers", and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day. And I persecuted this way unto the death, binding and delivering into prisons both men and women.As also the high priest doth bear me witness, and all the estate of the elders: from whom also I received letters unto the brethren, and went to Damascus, to bring them which were there bound unto Jerusalem, for to be punished.Acts 22: 2-5
He has not left us as orphans without a guide to proper hermeneutics . He gives us many warnings and instruction as to how we can hear Him and he brings to our mind that which he has taught us. Like for instance without parables Christ spoke not giving us the honor as a kingdom of priest to search out the spiritual understanding, or how do we walk by faith in order to find the hidden meaning in parables the signified language of God like below?
While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2 Corinthians 4:18
Church fathers do exist. I would suggest two kinds the counterfeit and the real.
They coming from Satan are the ones than make the word of God without effect through the oral traditions of men. They would be the ones that makes certain principles without effect , like call no man on earth father seeing one is in heaven ,or anther call no man on earth teacher because one is our teacher in heaven. In every case they hold the things of men, the temporal seen, above the invisibles eternal things of God not seen .Making all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) non effective.
Acts 24 is a good foundation giving a witness of the first denomination listed on this side of cross. They was being persecuted according to the law of men as a improper zeal for knowing God that Paul has just escaped from . called "our law" and not the law of God, as it is written
For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. Acts 24:5
Paul changeling the law of the fathers knew they could not prove with their law what they were accusing him of ...which they called heresy . Then using the law of faith as in all things written in the law and the prophets(sola scriptura) to make the law of the fathers without effect
Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:Acts 24:13-14
Paul demonstrates the proper kind of father . The difference being they worshipped or venerated the fathers as if they were worshipping God not seen . While Paul worshipped the God of the fathesr as the proper way to worship our father in heaven not seen.
It is one of the what I call think not doctrine to help us to continue to walk by faith the unseen eternal. the apostate faithless Jew sought after God through the oral traditions using Abraham to walk by sight .
Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Because all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) is the reforming authority as the sword of the Spirit in any time period in Mathew 3 above in respect the name Abraham could be exchanged for the name Peter .The father of lies is not partial to who stands in the Holy place of God not seen as the abomination of desecration.
They coming from Satan are the ones than make the word of God without effect through the oral traditions of men. They would be the ones that makes certain principles without effect , like call no man on earth father seeing one is in heaven ,or anther call no man on earth teacher because one is our teacher in heaven. In every case they hold the things of men, the temporal seen, above the invisibles eternal things of God not seen .Making all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) non effective.
Acts 24 is a good foundation giving a witness of the first denomination listed on this side of cross. They was being persecuted according to the law of men as a improper zeal for knowing God that Paul has just escaped from . called "our law" and not the law of God, as it is written
For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. Acts 24:5
Paul changeling the law of the fathers knew they could not prove with their law what they were accusing him of ...which they called heresy . Then using the law of faith as in all things written in the law and the prophets(sola scriptura) to make the law of the fathers without effect
Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:Acts 24:13-14
Paul demonstrates the proper kind of father . The difference being they worshipped or venerated the fathers as if they were worshipping God not seen . While Paul worshipped the God of the fathesr as the proper way to worship our father in heaven not seen.
It is one of the what I call think not doctrine to help us to continue to walk by faith the unseen eternal. the apostate faithless Jew sought after God through the oral traditions using Abraham to walk by sight .
Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
Because all things written in the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) is the reforming authority as the sword of the Spirit in any time period in Mathew 3 above in respect the name Abraham could be exchanged for the name Peter .The father of lies is not partial to who stands in the Holy place of God not seen as the abomination of desecration.
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show you where you said you were Australian? that's puzzling since you never said that and I never said that you said that...even the wombats are shaking their cute little heads
you argue against the mumbo jumbo of tongues? why? are you able to know all languages and are available whenever someone speaks or prays or sings in tongues to be able to judge what is going on?
dude I have a life...probably more than you and I have had a life...your remarks are nonsense. you would not know what kind of life I have and simply wish to make ad hominum attacks because that often works to take the heat off when someone does not actually have anything but personal opinions to offer
that's fine. Benny Hinn? probably every person in this forum that does speak in tongues has disavowed him already.
your view is the actual fleshy view...at least that is what is written in scripture
you know, the Bible does not speak of Charismatic or any other brand of church so that's proof of zero. we can easily find fault with any denom...so again, you are throwing out alot of smoke with no substance
Now I understand why you are lost in your understanding of tongues. Your still trying to comprehend the English language
You are one who kicks people when their down. THEN you cross to the other side and continue on. Read your Bible and get to know the real I AM.
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my my someone couldn't sleep last night...something under the bed? call Disney
anyway, you really are digging a deep hole for yourself both through your denial of the truth and your terrible misapplication of scripture. mashups have their place, but probably and most of the time, not with the Bible. that makes a mess out of actual doctrine
I have no clue what you are stating about fear as the perfect love of God casts out all fear...which you would know if you actually had a reason to test it instead of just blowing smoke and holding up scripture as you wrote it. you didn't write it but you will have to answer for how you use it.
two things here
1. people with pure hearts before God make that error every day and God is well able to lead them out of error without condemnation. His mercies are new every morning
2. blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is listed as the unforgivable sin. that would be attributing the work of God to the devil
kapeesh?
I have often wondered if that went both ways. But this indicates not so much -
Phil !: 15It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.
Phil !: 15It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16The latter do so out of love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains. 18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.