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It isn't a burden of proof reversal at all.
A burden of proof reversal is when somebody asserts something to be true, then asserts they are correct unless they themselves are proven wrong.
The theory in this case is that the Earth is of the order of 6,000 years old.
This is not my theory, and therefore no burden of proof reversal could possibly take place on my behalf.
I'm merely asking for the calculation to be presented in order than I am able to demonstrate why it is incorrect.
In fact, if I wanted to be exacting, I could say the burden of proof reversal is taking place the other way round:
"I believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, now prove me wrong...".
I'm asking for the (numerical) evidence for the theory, but the theory is not mine.
A burden of proof reversal is when somebody asserts something to be true, then asserts they are correct unless they themselves are proven wrong.
The theory in this case is that the Earth is of the order of 6,000 years old.
This is not my theory, and therefore no burden of proof reversal could possibly take place on my behalf.
I'm merely asking for the calculation to be presented in order than I am able to demonstrate why it is incorrect.
In fact, if I wanted to be exacting, I could say the burden of proof reversal is taking place the other way round:
"I believe the Earth is 6,000 years old, now prove me wrong...".
I'm asking for the (numerical) evidence for the theory, but the theory is not mine.
Your explanation is a simple example of a BoP reversal. You're still expecting others to present something so that you can refute it. You are essentially saying, "Your calculation is wrong; prove me wrong."
You're quite capable of looking up the calculation yourself. It's there in Scripture. You can probably find versions of it on the web somewhere.
You're quite capable of looking up the calculation yourself. It's there in Scripture. You can probably find versions of it on the web somewhere.
I'm at a place now where if God's Word is silent on something specific and somebody finds something to be sinful and does not do it, who am I to try and violate their conscience and tempt them to do what they consider sin?
If somebody only chooses to eat vegetables to the glory of God and to honor Him, who am I to tempt them to eat meat because I see nothing wrong with it?
My uncle when he fishes, throws his first catch back in thankfulness to God. I used to think that was stupid and religious but now I see it, He doing something to honour God.
Surely if we see a brother actually sinning against a commandment or something within the Word and they might not realise it or whatever, yes we can address it but I think some things are between God and the individual person.
I'm not stressed anymore if I see someone watching a violent movie that I wouldn't watch myself, sure I might pray for them, maybe I won't.
If a person has a relationship with the living God I trust that God will change and address things in a persons heart just as He has with mine over the years.
If somebody only chooses to eat vegetables to the glory of God and to honor Him, who am I to tempt them to eat meat because I see nothing wrong with it?
My uncle when he fishes, throws his first catch back in thankfulness to God. I used to think that was stupid and religious but now I see it, He doing something to honour God.
Surely if we see a brother actually sinning against a commandment or something within the Word and they might not realise it or whatever, yes we can address it but I think some things are between God and the individual person.
I'm not stressed anymore if I see someone watching a violent movie that I wouldn't watch myself, sure I might pray for them, maybe I won't.
If a person has a relationship with the living God I trust that God will change and address things in a persons heart just as He has with mine over the years.
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I'm afraid you're simply not correct.
I'm not asking for anybody to prove me wrong, I'm simply asking for the Biblical evidence to be presented.
I'm not even presenting a theory here, I'm considering somebody else's and trying to determine if it is true or not.
Asking for (Biblical) evidence to be presented is not the same as a burden of proof reversal.
Let's say I presented a theory, irrelevant what it might be, and imagine I just stated what the theory is.
If you asked me for the evidence to support the theory, you're not doing a burden of proof reversal on me, you're simply asking me to backup the theory - a totally logical and reasonable request.
If however I asked you to present the evidence for or against the theory, that would be a burden of proof reversal - I'm putting the burden of proving the theory on you, even though it isn't your theory.
The person/group presenting the theory must present material to backup the theory.
Standard practice is not to believe everything until each is proven wrong, but to believe nothing unless positive proof is presented, otherwise you would believe all kinds of nonsense some of which may be impossible to prove incorrect!
The thing is I know you're intelligent enough to follow the bouncing ball here.
You've said one thing which is absolutely correct, which is that I could find the calculation online.
There are important reasons that I'm asking others to present it (and not just copy and pasted on a website):
a. I want to know that people are not lazy in what they believe, and that they exercise discernment.
b. I want to know if people actually *understand* the calculation or if they simply believe it because the people around them do.
This is important because if they don't even understand the calculation that forms the foundation of their belief, how will they understand why it's incorrect?
I await.
I'm not asking for anybody to prove me wrong, I'm simply asking for the Biblical evidence to be presented.
I'm not even presenting a theory here, I'm considering somebody else's and trying to determine if it is true or not.
Asking for (Biblical) evidence to be presented is not the same as a burden of proof reversal.
Let's say I presented a theory, irrelevant what it might be, and imagine I just stated what the theory is.
If you asked me for the evidence to support the theory, you're not doing a burden of proof reversal on me, you're simply asking me to backup the theory - a totally logical and reasonable request.
If however I asked you to present the evidence for or against the theory, that would be a burden of proof reversal - I'm putting the burden of proving the theory on you, even though it isn't your theory.
The person/group presenting the theory must present material to backup the theory.
Standard practice is not to believe everything until each is proven wrong, but to believe nothing unless positive proof is presented, otherwise you would believe all kinds of nonsense some of which may be impossible to prove incorrect!
The thing is I know you're intelligent enough to follow the bouncing ball here.
You've said one thing which is absolutely correct, which is that I could find the calculation online.
There are important reasons that I'm asking others to present it (and not just copy and pasted on a website):
a. I want to know that people are not lazy in what they believe, and that they exercise discernment.
b. I want to know if people actually *understand* the calculation or if they simply believe it because the people around them do.
This is important because if they don't even understand the calculation that forms the foundation of their belief, how will they understand why it's incorrect?
I await.
25 The Jewish ceremony of circumcision has value only if you obey God’s law. But if you don’t obey God’s law, you are no better off than an uncircumcised Gentile. 26 And if the Gentiles obey God’s law, won’t God declare them to be his own people? 27 In fact, uncircumcised Gentiles who keep God’s law will condemn you Jews who are circumcised and possess God’s law but don’t obey it.
28 For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. 29 No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by the Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise[d] from God, not from people. Romans 2 NLT
28 For you are not a true Jew just because you were born of Jewish parents or because you have gone through the ceremony of circumcision. 29 No, a true Jew is one whose heart is right with God. And true circumcision is not merely obeying the letter of the law; rather, it is a change of heart produced by the Spirit. And a person with a changed heart seeks praise[d] from God, not from people. Romans 2 NLT
I'll provide the first part... with a tally down the right side.
Adam was created on day 6, in the first year. He was 130 when Seth was born. 130
When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father[b] of Enosh 235
When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan 325
When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel 405
When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared 470
When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch 632
When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah 697
When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech 884
When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah 1066
After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem 1566
and so on.
Once you get to the time of Daniel, you add the 420 years until Messiah is revealed, which puts you at about 30 AD.
Adam was created on day 6, in the first year. He was 130 when Seth was born. 130
When Seth had lived 105 years, he became the father[b] of Enosh 235
When Enosh had lived 90 years, he became the father of Kenan 325
When Kenan had lived 70 years, he became the father of Mahalalel 405
When Mahalalel had lived 65 years, he became the father of Jared 470
When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch 632
When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah 697
When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of Lamech 884
When Lamech had lived 182 years, he had a son. 29 He named him Noah 1066
After Noah was 500 years old, he became the father of Shem 1566
and so on.
Once you get to the time of Daniel, you add the 420 years until Messiah is revealed, which puts you at about 30 AD.
