Praying in Tongues

[7seasrekeyed]

4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. Acts 2:4

6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. Acts 19:6

2 For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. I Corinthians 14:2

8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,

9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,

10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines. I Corinthians 12: 8-11

 

[garee]

to whom it may concern:

I have no less than 3 users in this thread on "do not engage it's not good for your health or the health of the forum in general"

if I don't answer certain posts, then you are one of those people

actually you are on 'ignore'

LOL Is it good for the doctrine of tongues to look to the foundation of it which is found in Isaiah 28. This in order to understand what it is and what it confirms as a sign? Will you obey the law by believing what it is?

 

[Hevosmies]

I will chime in again with my thoughts, [stop reading here if you dont wanna know them]:!

I find it amazing that we are caught in a position of NOTHING or EVERYTHING in so many things within Christendom. Either we are sinlessly perfect or we are sinning like the devil, no middle ground. Either every single miracle and everyone speaking in tongues is legit and every pentecostal charismatic preacher is of God or NONE are and its all kundalini and there are no miracles and God stopped working completely. NO MIDDLE GRUOND AGAIN!

Now I find it amazing that God would have stopped operating in this world in 98AD when Scripture was completed. That is absolutely unbiblical, unlogical(not illogical, i make up the words around here, english needs to step it up, this word makes more sense) and UNPROVABLE. You cannot prove there are no miracles today. Just because you close your ears and say "nananananana its not happening nananana kundalini nanana" does NOT mean that there are no miracles.

Another thing to point out is that God HEALS whom and what He heals. For example: someone has a deadly heart condition, the one where your heart goes irregular beats i dont know its name in english, then he prays to God and is HEALED OF IT, medically verified. Yet someone will come along and say "Well, you are still wearing glasses, why didnt God heal your vision? Well, you say your back still hurts from all that time working as a car mechanic, why didnt God heal your back then?"
so AGAIN we are back to what I said earlier, EXTREMES! Either you must be ABSOLUTELY perfectly healthy with NO poor eye-sight, no aches or pains, NOTHING, or then God just cant heal anything ever.

All this to say, lets use DISCERNMENT, lets try to be HONEST with the Scriptures instead of making them say what we want them to say and lets try to go for some MIDDLEGROUND; shall we?

 

[garee]

What does the Bible say about scoffers?

it says they refuse to hear the word of God, God scoffs them with mocking lips called stammering lips.

For with stammering (mocking ) lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Isaiah 28: 11-12

And yet for all that they still did whatsoever their own mouth said as oral traditions of men that seek after a signs and wonders gospel .

Even knowing the sign of rebellion points to the scoffers(themselves) and they still see no evil in scoffing at the word of God, prophecy.

Jeremiah 44 King James Version (KJV As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil. Jerimiah 44:

Why do you follow that oral tradition(out of our own mouth) of men rather than believing prophecy?

 

[Wansvic]

Please address the following. It will go a long way to establish your own credibility. Thanks.

Faith, hope and love abide (remain). Prophecies ... they will pass away. Tongues ... they will cease. Knowledge too will pass away. If none of this occurs until Christ returns, somebody tell me why both faith and hope remain a constant when both have been realized with us being in His very presence ? Will we still need to hope ? Faith is the substance of things hoped for ... the evidence of things not seen. In His presence, we surely see Him, don't we ?

If read in context 1 Cor 13:8-12 states first that Charity (Love) never fails but there will come a time when Spiritual gifts will cease; when that which is perfect is come. Thus indicating that Spiritual gifts will be used until there is no longer a need because we will then be speaking to God face to face.

Verse 13 then goes on to say NOW (meaning currently):
"And NOW abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity." 1 Cor 13:13

"Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity." 1 Cor 13:8-13

Chapter 14 begins with our need to follow after Charity (Love) and then goes on to describe the gifts of the Spirit:
"Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy," etc. 1 Cor 14:1-40

Hope this helps to open up your understanding.

 

[CS1]

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facts are not truth. lol

 

[garee]

find it amazing that we are caught in a position of NOTHING or EVERYTHING in so many things within Christendom. Either we are sinlessly perfect or we are sinning like the devil, no middle ground. Either every single miracle and everyone speaking in tongues is legit and every pentecostal charismatic preacher is of God or NONE are and its all kundalini and there are no miracles and God stopped working completely. NO MIDDLE GRUOND AGAIN!

I would offer as we are reminded in the scriptures we are not what we will be )male and female Jew nor gentile) as the goal of our faith and either is the world we live in.

The difference is not that there are no miracles and God stopped working completely. Miracles are miracles nothing more and nothing less. God is nothing less. Men can try a make one miracle greater than the other but the greatest is men hear the prophecies of God and as a sign in their hearts..... they believe God.

The difference is will those who believe prophecy walk by faith the unseen eternal, or walk by sight the temporal as if the kingdom of God did come by observation and we do wrestle against flesh and blood (the things seen)

Things that are seen don’t last forever, but things that are not seen are eternal. That’s why we keep our minds on the things that cannot be seen. 2 Corinthians 4:18 (CEV)

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18 (KJV)

 

[Hevosmies]

I would offer as we are reminded in the scriptures we are not what we will be )male and female Jew nor gentile) as the goal of our faith and either is the world we live in.

The difference is not that there are no miracles and God stopped working completely. Miracles are miracles nothing more and nothing less. God is nothing less. Men can try a make one miracle greater than the other but the greatest is men hear the prophecies of God and as a sign in their hearts..... they believe God.

The difference is will those who believe prophecy walk by faith the unseen eternal, or walk by sight the temporal as if the kingdom of God did come by observation and we do wrestle against flesh and blood (the things seen)

Things that are seen don’t last forever, but things that are not seen are eternal. That’s why we keep our minds on the things that cannot be seen. 2 Corinthians 4:18 (CEV)

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:18 (KJV)

You keep repeating this verse of seen unseen.... It does absolutely nothing for your argument because the Bible plainly teaches the gifts are operating UNTIL Jesus returns and we see face to face. Therefore what you have here is a NON ARGUMENT

I would also like to point out that, just because we are saved, doesn't mean we are or will be in the future some androgynous 'floaty' beings.
We are STILL male or female, jew or gentile. That does NOT change in salvation.

 

[garee]

You keep repeating this verse of seen unseen.... It does absolutely nothing for your argument because the Bible plainly teaches the gifts are operating UNTIL Jesus returns and we see face to face. Therefore what you have here is a NON ARGUMENT

I would also like to point out that, just because we are saved, doesn't mean we are or will be in the future some androgynous 'floaty' beings.
We are STILL male or female, jew or gentile. That does NOT change in salvation.

'floaty' beings????

It does not change the salvation but rather identifies the unseen eternal with those who walk by faith (the unseen)

We are not to wait until we receive the promise of our new bodies, neither male or female, Jew nor gentile .We have passed from eternal separation to eternal life awaiting our bodies seeing flesh and blood could never enter the kingdom of God.

From now on, therefore, we regard no one "according to the flesh". Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation.2 Corinthians 5:16-17


God is not a man as us he has no face. Face to face is knowlegge to knowlegge . No new prophecy no new knowledge We have the perfect face to face .or you could say grace to grace.

2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

 

[Dino246]

What Paul preached was "gospel", which is prophecy, the word of God .

I've been thinking on how to address this. If "prophecy" is "the word of God" and "Scripture" is "the word of God", in the sense that they are perfect synonyms, then something doesn't add up.

2 Peter 1:21 ... no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.

If "prophecy" and "Scripture" are synonyms, why would Peter use both words? That would be redundant.

 

[garee]

I've been thinking on how to address this. If "prophecy" is "the word of God" and "Scripture" is "the word of God", in the sense that they are perfect synonyms, then something doesn't add up.

2 Peter 1:21 ... no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.

If "prophecy" and "Scripture" are synonyms, why would Peter use both words? That would be redundant.

I would suggest. Scripture is the written form of prophecy, the inspired word of God .

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:2 Timothy 3:16

No prophecy of Scripture, God's interpretation or witness of one who was there came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.

Its nemesis the oral traditions of men earthly inspired of the father of lies. It make the prophecy of God to no effect . False prophecy would be the oral traditions of men. False apostles bring false prophecy, the oral traditions of men

 

[Dino246]

I would suggest. Scripture is the written form of prophecy, the inspired word of God .

This sounds good at first... but fails when you consider that nowhere in Scripture is "prophecy" restricted to the written word. Joseph spoke his prophecy. Agabus spoke his prophecy. Jonah spoke his prophecy. Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Jesus Himself all spoke their prophecies. Your idea doesn't hold water.

 

[garee]

This sounds good at first... but fails when you consider that nowhere in Scripture is "prophecy" restricted to the written word. Joseph spoke his prophecy. Agabus spoke his prophecy. Jonah spoke his prophecy. Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Jesus Himself all spoke their prophecies. Your idea doesn't hold water.

Its water proof. LOL

If prophecy of scripture was of the a private interpretation inspired earthly by Joseph, Agabus, Jonah, Jeremiah, Isaiah and last but not least or Balaam's Ass . It is not. But it is inspired by God who moves men according to the good pleasure of His will

God is simply not served by human hand as a will. His witness rises above the witness of man

2 Peter 1:20-21 King James Version (KJV) : Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.For the prophecy came not in old time by the "will of man": but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

In that way we all have our own private interpretations as personal commentaries of men like fingerprint .

 

[Dino246]

Its water proof. LOL

If prophecy of scripture was of the a private interpretation inspired earthly by Joseph, Agabus, Jonah, Jeremiah, Isaiah and last but not least or Balaam's Ass . It is not. But it is inspired by God who moves men according to the good pleasure of His will

God is simply not served by human hand as a will. His witness rises above the witness of man

2 Peter 1:20-21 King James Version (KJV) : Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.For the prophecy came not in old time by the "will of man": but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

In that way we all have our own private interpretations as personal commentaries of men like fingerprint .

Actually, that verse refutes your assertion. If Scripture is the written form of prophecy, then "no prophecy of the written form of prophecy"... is what Peter said. That's just silly.

There are prophecies recorded in Scripture, but Scripture is not a synonym for prophecy. True prophecy is the word of God, but the word of God as a whole is not synonymous with prophecy. The terms cannot always be used in place of each other as true synonyms can.

 

[wolfwint]

lol by your standard and limitation of Go. Think about what you are saying. IF God did do miracles today it would be on the news. The truth is they are on all the time. God does not need your prideful approval of verification. Just like the Pharisees they too mocked the very Miracles Jesus did. John 14 is not directed to Pharisees it was Philp.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask anything in my name, I will do it.


God heals today. I hear those Like you who will say "yes God can heal, He can do anything, but I have not seen it". How prideful. Jesus said Miracles would and do happen, yet they still will not believe. Jesus said we are to pray, what are you praying for? Someone sick in the hospital you pray they die or ask God to heal them? Most who do not see what they think is a miracle will pray Let your will be done because if they pray God heal them and God does not do it you lose faith. What a joke.

I do not talking about healing! I talk about wonders and miracles. This is an different gift God gave in the apostolic time.
If you study the gospels and acts, then you can read: all who came to him became healed, ore be delivered from demons. All! All! And it was a great number. How many which come today to a healing event ore healing ministry and got healed? 30%? More.
If in all the healings services and meeting 100% of the sick people get healed. Then I believe you that it is today as it was in Jesus and the apostolic time.
And who today is doing the miracle like Elia, Elisa ore Paul did?
Dont you think this would be reportet in the News?
You claim today is the same like it was in the apostolic time. Then proof it to me.
And I said not that today is no healing anymore ore no prayer request which the Lord is listen and answer.
I expierienced answer to my prayers.
And while I was in involved in mission ministry I got many witnesses from believers which got healed after prayer ore from Hindus which got healed and turned to Christ. Prayer of the church ore from missionaries ( no pentecostal ore charismatics)
On the other side it is to recognize that believers get sick and die.
This is normal. The very rare number of believers will die because of high age.
The most will die, because of sickness.
And please consider that all people which Jesus healed ore took back to life, later died. I suppose because of any kind of sickness. Ore what you mean?
This is normal.
And yes I pray for sick people. In the knowledge that the father always knows whats the best for us.

 

[garee]

Actually, that verse refutes your assertion. If Scripture is the written form of prophecy, then "no prophecy of the written form of prophecy"... is what Peter said. That's just silly.

There are prophecies recorded in Scripture, but Scripture is not a synonym for prophecy. True prophecy is the word of God, but the word of God as a whole is not synonymous with prophecy. The terms cannot always be used in place of each other as true synonyms can.

Which prophecy written as scripture is not the inspired word of God?

 

[CS1]

I do not talking about healing! I talk about wonders and miracles. This is an different gift God gave in the apostolic time.
If you study the gospels and acts, then you can read: all who came to him became healed, ore be delivered from demons. All! All! And it was a great number. How many which come today to a healing event ore healing ministry and got healed? 30%? More.
If in all the healings services and meeting 100% of the sick people get healed. Then I believe you that it is today as it was in Jesus and the apostolic time.
And who today is doing the miracle like Elia, Elisa ore Paul did?
Dont you think this would be reportet in the News?
You claim today is the same like it was in the apostolic time. Then proof it to me.
And I said not that today is no healing anymore ore no prayer request which the Lord is listen and answer.
I expierienced answer to my prayers.
And while I was in involved in mission ministry I got many witnesses from believers which got healed after prayer ore from Hindus which got healed and turned to Christ. Prayer of the church ore from missionaries ( no pentecostal ore charismatics)
On the other side it is to recognize that believers get sick and die.
This is normal. The very rare number of believers will die because of high age.
The most will die, because of sickness.
And please consider that all people which Jesus healed ore took back to life, later died. I suppose because of any kind of sickness. Ore what you mean?
This is normal.
And yes I pray for sick people. In the knowledge that the father always knows whats the best for us.

your arrogance is most disappointing. Yes, I can read, yes I do study. If you could read then you would know NOT ALL WERE HEALED. AS it states in the Gospel Matthew 13:58 and Mark 6: 5. SO it was not ALL! NOT ALL! I guess you would not leave the 99 for the one As Jesus did? You will, not you rejoice even if one person was healed by God? it has to be MORE!!!! your opinion about Pentecostals and prayer is foolish. You make things unreasonable Never have ever been taught Christian don not get sick and die. LOL what joke. Yes everyone Jesu healed is dead wow !!! Yep and guess what HE healed them anyway why? because HE loved them. Of course, you would not see it that way Whos is Jesus to know what showing love is when you clearly know more than HE.

 

[Dino246]

Which prophecy written as scripture is not the inspired word of God?

Fallacy: equivocation.

All of Scripture is "God-breathed" (inspired) and therefore is "God's word." However, there are prophecies recorded in Scripture that are not God's words.

Perhaps a syllogism written from my perspective, contrasted with one written from yours, will clarify what I'm saying:

My view:
Scripture and prophecy are not synonymous.
Prophecy may be recorded in Scripture, and portions of Scripture are prophecy.
Therefore, Peter's words, "no prophecy of Scripture" make perfect sense.

Your view:
Prophecy and Scripture are synonymous.
All prophecy is Scripture, and all Scripture is prophecy.
Therefore, Peter's words, "no prophecy of Scripture" don't make sense.

 

[garee]

I do not talking about healing! I talk about wonders and miracles. This is an different gift God gave in the apostolic time.
If you study the gospels and acts, then you can read: all who came to him became healed, ore be delivered from demons. All! All! And it was a great number. How many which come today to a healing event ore healing ministry and got healed? 30%? More.
If in all the healings services and meeting 100% of the sick people get healed. Then I believe you that it is today as it was in Jesus and the apostolic time.
And who today is doing the miracle like Elia, Elisa ore Paul did?
Dont you think this would be reportet in the News?
You claim today is the same like it was in the apostolic time. Then proof it to me.
And I said not that today is no healing anymore ore no prayer request which the Lord is listen and answer.
I expierienced answer to my prayers.
And while I was in involved in mission ministry I got many witnesses from believers which got healed after prayer ore from Hindus which got healed and turned to Christ. Prayer of the church ore from missionaries ( no pentecostal ore charismatics)
On the other side it is to recognize that believers get sick and die.
This is normal. The very rare number of believers will die because of high age.
The most will die, because of sickness.
And please consider that all people which Jesus healed ore took back to life, later died. I suppose because of any kind of sickness. Ore what you mean?
This is normal.
And yes I pray for sick people. In the knowledge that the father always knows whats the best for us.

I would say those signs as wonders where used for what you call apostolic time as a picture of the gospel . You could say as parables for that time present seeing the government was being reformed to a earlier time period (no outward representation ) like the period of Judges when men and woman were equal and walked by faith in respect to the unseen King of kings .


For instance when John the Baptist was in jail about to be martyred for the faith of Christ .He had his doubts as to was the Son of man the Christ, or would he look for another ? Christ to insure Him and strengthen his faith replied below in the parable

Luke 7:22Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

Hiding the spiritual understanding of the gospel . The blind see speaking of the spiritually blind. Those who walked by sight as the lame now given the faith can walk according to it. The lepers as those with no sensitivity to the flesh are given sensitivity to the spirit . The spiritually deaf, ears to hear the gospel. Those dead in their trespasses and sins raised to new life .To those spiritually bankrupt the gospel is preached according to the riches of Christ .

This is in the same way as Exodus a change in government. With signs and wonders he drew out his people who were hoping in the fulfillment of the prophecy. The four hundred years had come to a end as a sign against those who would not believe the word of God prophecy .

Moses like John the Baptist had his doubts and Christ the Holy Spirit again as a parable spoke using the staff which became a symbol of authority against those who rebel and refuse to hear prophecy. And gave Moses another sign to be used against those who knew not God. This time the sign of leprosy as dead no life or sensitivity to the Holy Spirit . It moved those who appose God to let them go and worship the God that they did not believe in, forcing their hand

Exodus 4 King James Version (KJV)And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The Lord hath not appeared unto thee. And the Lord said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod.And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. And the Lord said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand:That they may believe that the Lord God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee.And the Lord said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh. And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.

 

[wolfwint]

your arrogance is most disappointing. Yes, I can read, yes I do study. If you could read then you would know NOT ALL WERE HEALED. AS it states in the Gospel Matthew 13:58 and Mark 6: 5. SO it was not ALL! NOT ALL! I guess you would not leave the 99 for the one As Jesus did? You will, not you rejoice even if one person was healed by God? it has to be MORE!!!! your opinion about Pentecostals and prayer is foolish. You make things unreasonable Never have ever been taught Christian don not get sick and die. LOL what joke. Yes everyone Jesu healed is dead wow !!! Yep and guess what HE healed them anyway why? because HE loved them. Of course, you would not see it that way Whos is Jesus to know what showing love is when you clearly know more than HE.

your arrogance is most disappointing. Yes, I can read, yes I do study. If you could read then you would know NOT ALL WERE HEALED. AS it states in the Gospel Matthew 13:58 and Mark 6: 5. SO it was not ALL! NOT ALL! I guess you would not leave the 99 for the one As Jesus did? You will, not you rejoice even if one person was healed by God? it has to be MORE!!!! your opinion about Pentecostals and prayer is foolish. You make things unreasonable Never have ever been taught Christian don not get sick and die. LOL what joke. Yes everyone Jesu healed is dead wow !!! Yep and guess what HE healed them anyway why? because HE loved them. Of course, you would not see it that way Whos is Jesus to know what showing love is when you clearly know more than HE.

Maby you overread that I said. All WHO CAME TO HIM where healed. Matth. 13.58 and Mark 6.5 report the same event in Nazareth. There stand nothing that the came to him.
But several times it is written, that all who came to him where healed.
I base what I have written on the written word, because it stands in this way in the bible.
You cant deney that today it is different to the gospel and apostolic time. Can you tell me why?
If I would tell you, you would again call me arrogante and proud.
Where I have said that Jesus do not love us, his children? Where i have said that every sheep in his stock is not worth in his eyes?If I become sick, I do not doubt that he loves me.

You have not taught that every christian will not get sick.
But you claim that Jesus heales today as he did during his stay on earth and in the apostolic time.
And this is simply not true. Otherwise peolpe which attend the healingmeetings would not leave them still sick and handycapped.

Yes one motiv that Jesus heals us is love. But if he heaks us notvhe loves us in the same way.
John 20,29-30 tells his main reason for his wonderful deeds. And this why you find his power more in the mission ministry then in the church, where the members must not be convinced that he is the Son of God.
It seems doescwe have different understandings from the scripture and this why you cant agree with me and I dont with you.
Well one day this will not seperate us.😊