I read it. Sorry did I miss something? Though Peter? Who he was attributing the healing work to? Whose work did it confirm ? Was it void of the hands of men? Or are you saying they were helpers and God is served by human hands as a will in some way or other and the glory is split up between the things seen and those not seen?
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God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form. He heals though his hands as a will . He informs us in Job 23 he is of one mind and always does whatsoever his soul desires .He performs that which he does appoint to us as a imputed righteousness ( Philippian 2 :12) We work it out as he works in us with us ( Emanuel) to both will and perform his good pleasure .Dorcas was raised from the dead through the word of God prophecy , not through the church as Irenaeus claims or Peter, Paul or Mary ( through Christians) .
Christians bring the gospel it heals. They are reckoned as having beautiful feet (a metaphor that points to the gospel) Not beautiful hand, hands representing the will.
Christians bring the gospel it heals. They are reckoned as having beautiful feet (a metaphor that points to the gospel) Not beautiful hand, hands representing the will.
But they are not sign gifts, tongues are sign gifts just like other miracles:
Heb 2: 3how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. 4God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.
All gifts are about the gospel and never feel good stories.
Heb 2: 3how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. 4God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.
All gifts are about the gospel and never feel good stories.
Paul was talking to pagans who had idols. God does not need us to feed Him. God works through human hands to minister to other people. He worked through the hands of Jesus. Jesus said of them that believe, "They shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."
Jesus said, "Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the king shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, in as much as ye have done it untoone of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. "
God had angels do things through Him throughout the Bible. He has people do things for Him now.
If you think that God gifting one person to heal another or to minister to another in some way is against the idea of God not being served by human hands as if he needed anything, then you clearly misunderstand the scriptures, and you read contradictions into scripture where none exist.
Peter was a part of the church, a Christian. Peter spoke a word and she arose. Paul spoke a word and a lame man arose. On other occasions, they laid hands on the sick and the sick recovered. The Holy Spirit works through people. If you have a problem with this, you have a problem with the Bible. I much prefer the Bible to your theories.
The Bible does not say a Christian's hands cannot be beautiful. Hands and feet are parts of the body. Paul wrote 'for ye are the body of Christ and members in particular' and compared members of the body to body parts. We are not all feet.
Jesus said, "Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? And the king shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, in as much as ye have done it untoone of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. "
God had angels do things through Him throughout the Bible. He has people do things for Him now.
If you think that God gifting one person to heal another or to minister to another in some way is against the idea of God not being served by human hands as if he needed anything, then you clearly misunderstand the scriptures, and you read contradictions into scripture where none exist.
Peter was a part of the church, a Christian. Peter spoke a word and she arose. Paul spoke a word and a lame man arose. On other occasions, they laid hands on the sick and the sick recovered. The Holy Spirit works through people. If you have a problem with this, you have a problem with the Bible. I much prefer the Bible to your theories.
The Bible does not say a Christian's hands cannot be beautiful. Hands and feet are parts of the body. Paul wrote 'for ye are the body of Christ and members in particular' and compared members of the body to body parts. We are not all feet.
If an evil generation seeks a sign, the righteous are not always forbidden from seeking God to perform signs.
Look at how the apostles and brethren prayed together in Acts 4.
29 Now, Lord, look on their threats, and grant to Your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word, 30 by stretching out Your hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”
31 And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.
(NKJV, emphasis in bold mine)
If an evil and adulterous generation eat bread and drink water, we cannot logically conclude that the righteous may not eat bread and drink water. You commit a logical error in your interpretation.
Your interpretation of this is clearly wrong. You have a problem with signs and wonders that Jesus and the apostles did not have. They actually did signs and wonders, and did not see them as a bad thing. Many saw Jesus do miracles and believed. For example, there were those who believed when they saw Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead. Jesus' disciples believed on Him after the miracle of turning water into wine in Cana of Galilee. The proconsul Sergius Paulus believed the word after he saw Elymas struck with blindness.
If you want to understand the issue of walking by faith and not by sight, consider how Peter could not work the miracle of walking on water when he saw the wind and the waves. He started walking by sight rather than faith, and could not perform a miracle.
Your philosophy does not hold up when we consider the teachings, stories, and examples, of scripture.
Look at how the apostles and brethren prayed together in Acts 4.
29 Now, Lord, look on their threats, and grant to Your servants that with all boldness they may speak Your word, 30 by stretching out Your hand to heal, and that signs and wonders may be done through the name of Your holy Servant Jesus.”
31 And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.
(NKJV, emphasis in bold mine)
If an evil and adulterous generation eat bread and drink water, we cannot logically conclude that the righteous may not eat bread and drink water. You commit a logical error in your interpretation.
Its like the first outward sign when Satan the father of lies having no form of his own put his words in the mouth of the creature (seen)as that seen and not the faith of God not seen, that kind of seduction has not changed,. Satn used it as his motive of operation with Peter in Mathew 16 :22-23 . the Son of man walked by faith and believed the father not seen .
The same law of faith in Genesis applies today
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
The same law of faith in Genesis applies today
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
If you want to understand the issue of walking by faith and not by sight, consider how Peter could not work the miracle of walking on water when he saw the wind and the waves. He started walking by sight rather than faith, and could not perform a miracle.
Your philosophy does not hold up when we consider the teachings, stories, and examples, of scripture.
I would submit that you likely misunderstand what it means to say that God is no respecter of persons.
Dorcas was dead. How did she hear the Gospel? The passage does not show Peter preaching salvation to those present. He prayed, and then he told Dorcas to arise. God worked miracles through the apostles. Do you even bother to sit down and read the book of Acts before you write these comments?
On the topic of God doing miracles through human hands, the scriptures are extremely explicit.
Acts 19:7
And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Now that scripture has disproven your point, will you adjust your point of view, or continue to spout error, page after page of it, month after month, and year after year? Or will you let the word of God sink in and correct your error?
God works through people. It is not blasphemy to point this out. The Bible is not blasphemous to show the many, many examples of God working through the hands and mouths of human beings.
God heals. At times, God heals through people. Accepting this very Biblical fact is not worshipping the people through whom God heals. God used prophets. They spoke His word. They were still men. If I say the prophets prophesied the word of God, that does not mean that I am worshipping them, or that I do not have faith.
Who in this forum is doing that? Who is calling Paul or Barnabas a God? I say, along with scripture, that God did miracles through the hands of Paul. That doesn't mean I am blaspheming or calling Paul a god. I think you are the one with the problem here, in your thinking. You need to think Biblically and accept what scripture teaches. If the scriptures say God did miracles through Paul's hands, then agreeing with it is not exalting Paul as a God. Accept the teaching of scripture on this issue.
God being served by human hands as if He needed something and God working miracles through the hands of a human being are not the same thing. You are confused on this point.
I don't know of anyone who seeks signs to confirm that the hand of man had anything to do with a healing. But I do know that the scriptures show that God works through human hands. God works through people to minister to other people. That's different from people feeding God with food and drink, like pagans might have thought they were doing with their statues. I quoted, above, where it says that God did special miracles through the hands of Saul. Mark 16 says they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
I don't know what you mean by 'a sign and wonders gospel', but I do know that Paul wrote that from Jerusalem, round about unto Illyricum, with signs and wonders, he had fully preached the Gospel of Christ.
Dorcas was dead. How did she hear the Gospel? The passage does not show Peter preaching salvation to those present. He prayed, and then he told Dorcas to arise. God worked miracles through the apostles. Do you even bother to sit down and read the book of Acts before you write these comments?
On the topic of God doing miracles through human hands, the scriptures are extremely explicit.
Acts 19:7
And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Now that scripture has disproven your point, will you adjust your point of view, or continue to spout error, page after page of it, month after month, and year after year? Or will you let the word of God sink in and correct your error?
God works through people. It is not blasphemy to point this out. The Bible is not blasphemous to show the many, many examples of God working through the hands and mouths of human beings.
God heals. At times, God heals through people. Accepting this very Biblical fact is not worshipping the people through whom God heals. God used prophets. They spoke His word. They were still men. If I say the prophets prophesied the word of God, that does not mean that I am worshipping them, or that I do not have faith.
Who in this forum is doing that? Who is calling Paul or Barnabas a God? I say, along with scripture, that God did miracles through the hands of Paul. That doesn't mean I am blaspheming or calling Paul a god. I think you are the one with the problem here, in your thinking. You need to think Biblically and accept what scripture teaches. If the scriptures say God did miracles through Paul's hands, then agreeing with it is not exalting Paul as a God. Accept the teaching of scripture on this issue.
God being served by human hands as if He needed something and God working miracles through the hands of a human being are not the same thing. You are confused on this point.
I don't know of anyone who seeks signs to confirm that the hand of man had anything to do with a healing. But I do know that the scriptures show that God works through human hands. God works through people to minister to other people. That's different from people feeding God with food and drink, like pagans might have thought they were doing with their statues. I quoted, above, where it says that God did special miracles through the hands of Saul. Mark 16 says they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
I don't know what you mean by 'a sign and wonders gospel', but I do know that Paul wrote that from Jerusalem, round about unto Illyricum, with signs and wonders, he had fully preached the Gospel of Christ.
Healing is a work of the gospel. Signs follow the un-seen work of God to show inwardly in the person heart a person heard the "gospel of faith" and as a witness they believe God .
Its not a work of man. The apostle were witness to the work of God. God uses specific healing to represent the work of the gospel .
Like for instance the one in Acts 14
And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. Acts14:7-11
Those who walked by sigh having not faith made the apostles into gods in the likeness of men ,Again having nothing to do with the Apostle
The faith he had heighted in the verse to be healed was not himself . It enables him to walk or understand God not seen . Lame is one of the metaphors used in parables to show a person believes God.
A another example in when John the Baptist had some doubt if Christ was the one to represent the gospel . using the same metaphors in other parables .
blind see..... spiritually
lame walk..... walk by their new faith
the lepers are cleansed...… restoring from the dead
the deaf hear......Given the hearing of faith that come through the word of God needed to believe God not of their own mind
the dead are raised...….the first resurrection. when we belive God.
They are all gospel metaphors that show they have become a new creation.
Altogether uses those same metaphors throughout the Bible as a witness to the poor (spiritually bankrupt) the gospel was preached. The focus is never in respect to the temporal healing. But rather the gospel is the focus.
Luke 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Its not a work of man. The apostle were witness to the work of God. God uses specific healing to represent the work of the gospel .
Like for instance the one in Acts 14
And there they preached the gospel. And there sat a certain man at Lystra, impotent in his feet, being a cripple from his mother's womb, who never had walked:The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. Acts14:7-11
Those who walked by sigh having not faith made the apostles into gods in the likeness of men ,Again having nothing to do with the Apostle
The faith he had heighted in the verse to be healed was not himself . It enables him to walk or understand God not seen . Lame is one of the metaphors used in parables to show a person believes God.
A another example in when John the Baptist had some doubt if Christ was the one to represent the gospel . using the same metaphors in other parables .
blind see..... spiritually
lame walk..... walk by their new faith
the lepers are cleansed...… restoring from the dead
the deaf hear......Given the hearing of faith that come through the word of God needed to believe God not of their own mind
the dead are raised...….the first resurrection. when we belive God.
They are all gospel metaphors that show they have become a new creation.
Altogether uses those same metaphors throughout the Bible as a witness to the poor (spiritually bankrupt) the gospel was preached. The focus is never in respect to the temporal healing. But rather the gospel is the focus.
Luke 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Yes I do read. Do you bother to "mix faith" in what you do hear or read? If not how would you find the spiritual understanding hid from natural man ?
I think I know what it mean. It means that God is no respecter of persons . He is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases . It is never about the things seen the flesh. We walk by faith alone through the work of Christ alone .
Dorcas heard the gospel as God gave her ears to hear what the Spirit said . The sign she did believe the gospel is God raised her to show us we are raised to new life the moment we do believe.
God simply puts His inspired words on the lips of Peter. It was not a private interpretation coming from the mind of Peter. No different than putting His inspired words on the lips of Balaam's Ass that did work to restrain the madness of that false prophet. . God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form . Using a Ass a unclean animal as a metaphor to represent un converted man . God can use a unbeliever to bring the gospel just as easily as one that does have the Spirit of Christ in them.
What we will be is not what we are today. The flesh never profits for anything.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
I think I know what it mean. It means that God is no respecter of persons . He is of one mind and always does whatsoever His soul pleases . It is never about the things seen the flesh. We walk by faith alone through the work of Christ alone .
Dorcas heard the gospel as God gave her ears to hear what the Spirit said . The sign she did believe the gospel is God raised her to show us we are raised to new life the moment we do believe.
God simply puts His inspired words on the lips of Peter. It was not a private interpretation coming from the mind of Peter. No different than putting His inspired words on the lips of Balaam's Ass that did work to restrain the madness of that false prophet. . God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form . Using a Ass a unclean animal as a metaphor to represent un converted man . God can use a unbeliever to bring the gospel just as easily as one that does have the Spirit of Christ in them.
What we will be is not what we are today. The flesh never profits for anything.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
On the topic of God doing miracles through human hands, the scriptures are extremely explicit.
Acts 19:7
And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Now that scripture has disproven your point, will you adjust your point of view, or continue to spout error, page after page of it, month after month, and year after year? Or will you let the word of God sink in and correct your error?
God works through people. It is not blasphemy to point this out. The Bible is not blasphemous to show the many, many examples of God working through the hands and mouths of human beings.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.Acts 19:7
Hand throughout represent the will in the scripture .God's will was done, they heard the gospel and believed God (Not Paul) . The Holy Spirit did not come because Paul desired it to come as if God was served by human hands .
Attributing the unseen work of the faith of God giving a person His faith to believe and giving it over to the apostles is to blasphemy the name of God and violate the first commandments of having other gods before Him .( The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.) They did not "mix faith" (believe God) in what they did see but rather walked after the things seen the temporal or natural course of this world not having the spiritual understanding hid from them
Its why in Acts 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out.
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, Acts 14
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Acts 19:7
And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Now that scripture has disproven your point, will you adjust your point of view, or continue to spout error, page after page of it, month after month, and year after year? Or will you let the word of God sink in and correct your error?
God works through people. It is not blasphemy to point this out. The Bible is not blasphemous to show the many, many examples of God working through the hands and mouths of human beings.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.Acts 19:7
Hand throughout represent the will in the scripture .God's will was done, they heard the gospel and believed God (Not Paul) . The Holy Spirit did not come because Paul desired it to come as if God was served by human hands .
Attributing the unseen work of the faith of God giving a person His faith to believe and giving it over to the apostles is to blasphemy the name of God and violate the first commandments of having other gods before Him .( The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.) They did not "mix faith" (believe God) in what they did see but rather walked after the things seen the temporal or natural course of this world not having the spiritual understanding hid from them
Its why in Acts 14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out.
And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men. And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker. Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people. Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out, Acts 14
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no, you need to stop allegorizing the word of God Jesus was very clear Healing is a part of salvation and the being saved.
The gospel is not a metaphor, it is the POWER OF GOD for salvation. The Gospel Noun and when one preaches the good news it is a verb.
just like faith is a noun and believe is a verb. You try to over-spiritualize the word of God and in doing so, change the context as it is meant to be. Jesus was not speaking metaphorically when he said In John3:16-18. you need to take your john Bunyan biblical understanding of the bible and keep allegories where they are in scripture. Salvation, saved, healing, deliverance, set free are not thing Jesus did metaphorically, Jesus did them literally as HE does today. Big error in your understanding.
The gospel is not a metaphor, it is the POWER OF GOD for salvation. The Gospel Noun and when one preaches the good news it is a verb.
just like faith is a noun and believe is a verb. You try to over-spiritualize the word of God and in doing so, change the context as it is meant to be. Jesus was not speaking metaphorically when he said In John3:16-18. you need to take your john Bunyan biblical understanding of the bible and keep allegories where they are in scripture. Salvation, saved, healing, deliverance, set free are not thing Jesus did metaphorically, Jesus did them literally as HE does today. Big error in your understanding.
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