really well just so you know salvation is a sign to those that God is present. Anytime God works in the lives of men and women is confirming His word. it is not logic because it is spiritually discerned and supernatural. You limit God because you are carnal and secular in your own reasoning. You think you are better by knowing more instead of living more. That is why you are in error.
Praying in Tongues
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ahhh but the word Gibberish is not in the Bible in any word. The word Babel, confounded their languages does not mean gibberish. You call the gifts of the Holy Spirit gibberish because your human intellect is not able to understand as 1cor chapter 13- 14 says. You mock and scoff what you do not know or able to do.
Gibberish is actually an understatement. The use of meaningless words has been condemned in the whole of 1 Cor 14, from verse 1 all the way to the very end. But it seems majority of the ears are deaf. For your sake i will pinpoint and summarize 1 Cor 14.
1 Cor 14: 1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.
In case you forgot what love entails:
1 Cor 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
IOW, your tongue can only be termed as genuine gift from God if others understand what you are saying for their benefit (and not yourself -self seeking). This is the way of love. Love is always about others and never self.
If your tongue is not understood by others, then it doesn't originate from love who is God. If it doesn't originate from God then you know who.
Do not quote for me 1 Cor 14 vs 2 and talk to me about self edification. There's no such thing as self edification, it is selfishness and the wrong that Paul was correcting in that letter.
1 Cor 14: 1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy.
In case you forgot what love entails:
1 Cor 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
IOW, your tongue can only be termed as genuine gift from God if others understand what you are saying for their benefit (and not yourself -self seeking). This is the way of love. Love is always about others and never self.
If your tongue is not understood by others, then it doesn't originate from love who is God. If it doesn't originate from God then you know who.
Do not quote for me 1 Cor 14 vs 2 and talk to me about self edification. There's no such thing as self edification, it is selfishness and the wrong that Paul was correcting in that letter.
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Now when you and noose and notuptome are done let me know. The only thing I have seen is 1. you mock the Gifts of the Holy Spirit 2. use secular humanism for Biblical understanding 3. Limit God by using scripture out of context. You guys look at the Bible to see what one cannot do, I like to look at the word of God and believe what HE said HE will do and can do. And HE continues to do today.
God still : Saves, Heals, and deliver people today. You guys are part of the frozen chosen, and "modern-day " Pharisees. Just like the gifts of the Holy Spirit wore then you are the Pharisees who contrast the move of God then, you do so today. The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are today just as there are Pharisees who attack the works of God today. that is you "them and "they"
God still : Saves, Heals, and deliver people today. You guys are part of the frozen chosen, and "modern-day " Pharisees. Just like the gifts of the Holy Spirit wore then you are the Pharisees who contrast the move of God then, you do so today. The Gifts of the Holy Spirit are today just as there are Pharisees who attack the works of God today. that is you "them and "they"
The evidence of things unseen hoped for by faith (the unseen) .
Signs found in the parable below (Mark 16:17-19) are that which follows. Like a sign that says you have left the State of Kansas .or Dorothy, you are no longer in Kansas .
Signs follow those who believe...………. not cause them to believe.
Mark 16:17-19 King James Version (KJV) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Everyone of the 4 signs above are used as a metaphor to show the gospel was heard and a person has become a new creature. The spiritual understanding must be searched out or the gospel will not be heard.
They are not sign that leads .Prophecy is that which leads giving us a living hope . The law in respect to sign applies every time a sign is shown. Prophecy no outward sign for those who believe. Signs again for those who believe not the word of God prophecy (no faith)
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them "that believe", but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21-22
No matter which way it is turned it remains upside down... "yet for all that will they not hear" a sign that they refuse to hear prophecy as believing the word of God.
Signs found in the parable below (Mark 16:17-19) are that which follows. Like a sign that says you have left the State of Kansas .or Dorothy, you are no longer in Kansas .
Signs follow those who believe...………. not cause them to believe.
Mark 16:17-19 King James Version (KJV) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Everyone of the 4 signs above are used as a metaphor to show the gospel was heard and a person has become a new creature. The spiritual understanding must be searched out or the gospel will not be heard.
They are not sign that leads .Prophecy is that which leads giving us a living hope . The law in respect to sign applies every time a sign is shown. Prophecy no outward sign for those who believe. Signs again for those who believe not the word of God prophecy (no faith)
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them "that believe", but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:21-22
No matter which way it is turned it remains upside down... "yet for all that will they not hear" a sign that they refuse to hear prophecy as believing the word of God.
Self edification was the wrong Paul was trying to correct, the reason he started that chapter in the manner he did (follow love).
Q. What is the connection between self edification and love when love is always about others? doesn't the word self edification define itself? is it not self seeking?
1 Cor 14:39. I like Paul, i'm not forbidding anyone to speak genuine tongues, but just like Paul i'm condemning gibberish. There's no genuine tongues today. 100%
Q. What is the connection between self edification and love when love is always about others? doesn't the word self edification define itself? is it not self seeking?
1 Cor 14:39. I like Paul, i'm not forbidding anyone to speak genuine tongues, but just like Paul i'm condemning gibberish. There's no genuine tongues today. 100%
No, "self-edification" is a modern term, and carries a negative sense not present in 1 Corinthians 14. Every other use of the word translated "edify" is in a positive sense. To impose a negative sense on the word in one location is to read in what you already believe, rather than allowing the text to speak.
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now, you are the authenticator of what God does; we should all kiss your ring oh great one. again you say gibberish Paul never said that word nor did he imply it. Maybe if you learned how to quote the verse correct you would see it has nothing to do with self-seeking. If that was the case they would be praying to their self instead of God as the Verse states.
1cor 14:2
"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. "
1cor 14:2
"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. "
If Paul was writing a letter to commend the Corinthians for their good practices, then i have no issue with you writing your own bible because as per the bible that we have, Paul was writing to correct a wrong practice and that practice was speaking things that were not understandable by others. Speaking things that do not benefit others is whether alone or with others, is self seeking and not the way of love.
Q. How is self edification not self seeking? how is self edification a way of love if it doesn't involve others?
Q. How is self edification not self seeking? how is self edification a way of love if it doesn't involve others?
I'm not the aunthenticator of what God does but at least i can boast that i understand what is being said here.
The mysteries are to men, not God and of course if you babble in front of me, it is mystery to me. You can only love God by loving others, there's no such thing as loving and speaking directly to God while speaking mysteries to fellow men. If you speak mysteries to me, you do not love me and don't fool yourself for a minute by thinking that you love God. You have to love me (others) and speak things that i will understand (my edification), and only in this way will you be showing love to God.
You have no grasp of what Paul is saying here.
Q. How is self edification not self seeking?
The mysteries are to men, not God and of course if you babble in front of me, it is mystery to me. You can only love God by loving others, there's no such thing as loving and speaking directly to God while speaking mysteries to fellow men. If you speak mysteries to me, you do not love me and don't fool yourself for a minute by thinking that you love God. You have to love me (others) and speak things that i will understand (my edification), and only in this way will you be showing love to God.
You have no grasp of what Paul is saying here.
Q. How is self edification not self seeking?
LOL is that not the pot calling the kettle black. You change 1cor 14:2 to mean self -edification when is states "
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. You failed to read on as most do.
verse :3 "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
Verse :4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
verse :5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
FYI speaking to God edify that person , you should try it sometime. God will speak to us as HE did then.
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. You failed to read on as most do.
verse :3 "But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
Verse :4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
verse :5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
FYI speaking to God edify that person , you should try it sometime. God will speak to us as HE did then.
I think it is very clear from what you have quoted. The theme is edify others and not self and tongues are to used to edify others and not self.
And there is such thing as using meaningless words to God and believe that you are asking God to edify another person. You do not know what you are saying in the first place.
And there is such thing as using meaningless words to God and believe that you are asking God to edify another person. You do not know what you are saying in the first place.