Praying in Tongues

[garee]

Who has claimed that signs lead prophecy? Again, nobody. You're tilting at wind.

Signs follow. Prophecy leads a person to belive God. (no outward sign)

Those who desire a sign it must lead to believe and confirm something or men who turn the law upside down as something to seek after would not seek after it hoping it will confirm something. Most say it confirms a person has the Holy Spirit or is filled with the Holy Spirit . What do you think the sign of tongues or any sign in the bible that follows confirms ?

I say the other way around the signs confirm men do not believe prophecy, the word of God, in any language .Prophecy leads a person to believe God. (no outward sign)

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.Wherefore "tongues" are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthiasn 14:21 -22

 

[CherieR]

Hi Charli

(guess who haha)



I don't believe anything such as you mention would stand 'in the way'

I was an ignorant 18 yr old, read a book about it, looked up the references in the Bible, said 'oh they check out', kneeled by my bedside and asked to be filled and started right away. I understood that I would not understand, but time has changed that because I often interpret what I say or sing in tongues...but I've come a long way since then

You should know too that I was brought up in a church that denied tongues was for today but I was searching for 'more' and more meaning in my life, and you know God likes that in a person. He is always willing

please don't fuss over it or let the naysayers sway you

even my dad eventually spoke in tongues and he was the most reserved person you can think ofo

you may have noticed...I'm available for chat now...well me and everyone else

are these chats private? not sure

How did the interpretation work? Did you have to pray and ask for the interpretation and then words came in your mind in English? I read that one who speaks in tongues should pray that he interprets but I don't know what it is like to interpret any tongues because I never have done that.

 

[CherieR]

that site is cessationist. they provide some very good info...but they are cessationists

they have ceased to believe. further, I think they might lean towards Calvinism?

anybody know?

not sure, but if you are a Calvinist, then no worries about tongues. you will have no choice if you speak in tongues or not

I am pretty sure they do lean Calvinist, but there are degrees one can lean to that point of view. Not so sure if they lean only slightly, moderately, or a lot on the Calvinist view. There is one Calvinist pastor I like even though I don't consider myself to be Calvinist.

 

[Noose]

so the devil takes nothing physically?

I guess you do not have the story of Job in whatever Bible you have on hand?

I guess you also are missing the story of Ananias and his wife...of how they allowed the devil to lie through them and they physically lost their lives

I guess you have the allegory version of scripture...I see now where some have compared what you write to a preterist

the angels in heaven do not regularly 'harvest the earth'

there is plenty that happens against God's will. for example God is not willing that any should perish, but perish they do...but not with harvesting angels

Assyria is the rod of God's anger. There's nothing that Assyria does that God has not permitted; but God also punishes Assyria after using them to accomplish His will.

Job. My version says satan asked for permission
Ananias. My version says God struck them dead

 

[Noose]

oh the irony

here we have someone who that attributes the things of God to the devil and claims someone saying they are doing God's will has the highest pride of all

that is what the religious leaders said to Jesus and they hated him

actually, it is not at all easy to do the will of God. first of all, you have to actually KNOW what it is

and most answers from this type of attitude revealed by noose and others here, would be wrong

How is speaking meaningless words doing the will of God?

What connection is there between your meaningless words and God? To me, there's connection at all, that's why i boldly say you are attributing to God things that are not His.

1 Cor 14 or any other verse in the bible can not be used as a connection between meaningless words and God.

For instance: The snake handlers also 'speak in tongues' , do you believe their tongues are genuine? if not, why? is it because it is not supported by 1 Cor 14 or is it because they handle snakes?

If you ask them, they'll quote Acts/Mark 16/ 1 Cor 12-14 and many many verses.

 

[Lafftur]

My Father was an preacher and evangelist and spoke in tongues, and my sis speaks in tongues. I want to, think it would be wonderful, bring me closer to my Lord. I know many say not everyone can, that it is a gift for some, not for others. I wonder, if it points to a lack of faith. Your experience seems so beautiful and so intimate with Him. So my question is this...

Is it simply something we receive like at the pentecost, or is it something we can just start practicing, luke the OP suggest ? Are there scriptures that you could point me to, besides Acts?

Hello sweet CharliRenee,

What a great post! So glad you asked for “intimacy with Him!”

Just open your heart with all your love and ask Him to love you with all His heart........He generally ONLY responds when EVERYTHING AND ALL is in the pot! He hesitates and waits for us to throw it ALL in!

What are you waiting for? Jump in! God is faithful - you will receive......out of your belly shall flow rivers of living water......

 

[Lafftur]

Not adressed to me but I will still shove my opinion in!

I just FELT WORDS coming out. I had been praying for the gift PREVIOUSLY. But I believe I got the baptism of the Holy Spirit at my water baptism.

Its different for everybody. God works how He wants. I think thats one of the problems we have as westerners, we like to make everything into a A,B,C organized list.

Nah, just put it ALL IN. God waits for us........God put His ALL IN when He places His Son on the Cross.....

It’s time we put our ALL IN. EVERYTHING goes on the altar.

We make the great exchange.....ALL of me for ALL of Him.....

 

[Lafftur]

How did the interpretation work? Did you have to pray and ask for the interpretation and then words came in your mind in English? I read that one who speaks in tongues should pray that he interprets but I don't know what it is like to interpret any tongues because I never have done that.

The interpretation comes in your head/mind in your own voice in your own native language - you hear it with spiritual ears - meaning that your natural ears are hearing the unknown tongue/language, yet in your head you can hear the words in your native language.

 

[Noose]

did you make that up all by yourself?

edify does not mean a lack of love

the Bible does not say God is absent where there is no love. there is no love coming from you here, but I can assure you God is present

musta made that up all by yourself too

Edify doesn't mean lack of love, true but self means, don't consider others which means no love (love of self is not love at all). Putting self and edification together means lack of love and therefore no presence of God.

You have to get what Paul is saying:

1 Cor 14:1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy ..

1 Cor 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, ...

How is self edification not self seeking??

 

[Lafftur]

The interpretation comes in your head/mind in your own voice in your own native language - you hear it with spiritual ears - meaning that your natural ears are hearing the unknown tongue/language, yet in your head you can hear the words in your native language.

Have you ever watched an interpreter? You can hear the foreign language, yet you can also hear the interpretation at the same time.

At first it seems strange, yet you adapt and learn how to listen to understand what is being said.

 

[Noose]

I believe you are doing as preterists would and hyper-extending the verses from Luke OUT OF CONTEXT, ignoring rest of the testimony of scripture.

What we get from the rest of scriptures is the sun and moon going dark, Jesus returning with ALL EYES seeing Him, the trumpets vials and seals etc.

These are clearly things we can SEE.

We read in Revelation a woman dressed in stars and the sun and the moon under her feet. A seven headed dragon slashing a third of the stars - and you say these are things that you'll see with your eyes?!

Matt 26:
63But Jesus remained silent.
The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”

64“You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.” e

Q. Did those in the court room see the son of man coming with clouds of heaven or Jesus lied (God forbid)?

 

[Dino246]

Those who desire a sign it must lead to believe and confirm something or men who turn the law upside down as something to seek after would not seek after it hoping it will confirm something. Most say it confirms a person has the Holy Spirit or is filled with the Holy Spirit .

Who are these "those" and "most" to whom you refer?

You're putting nameless, faceless pronouns on the position against which you argue.

PLEASE either QUOTE the real people who argue for such things, or DROP the issue.

 

[Dino246]

Edify doesn't mean lack of love, true but self means, don't consider others which means no love (love of self is not love at all). Putting self and edification together means lack of love and therefore no presence of God.

You have to get what Paul is saying:

1 Cor 14:1 Follow the way of love and eagerly desire gifts of the Spirit, especially prophecy ..

1 Cor 13:4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, ...

How is self edification not self seeking??

You're erroneously replacing Scripture "edifies themselves" with a loaded idiom "self-edification". Despite the similarity of the component words, they don't mean the same thing.

"It's raining cats and dogs" does not mean "it's precipitating felines and canines". Rather, it's an idiom with a specific meaning. So too is "self-edification," which is an English idiom carrying a negative connotation, not a biblical phrase.

 

[Noose]

You're erroneously replacing Scripture "edifies themselves" with a loaded idiom "self-edification". Despite the similarity of the component words, they don't mean the same thing.

"It's raining cats and dogs" does not mean "it's precipitating felines and canines". Rather, it's an idiom with a specific meaning. So too is "self-edification," which is an English idiom carrying a negative connotation, not a biblical phrase.

1 Cor 14:4 The one who speaks in a tongue edifies himself,

I don't see what you want it to mean. Self edification it is and self edification being selfishness can not be the way of love.

 

[Dino246]

1 Cor 14:4 The one who speaks in a tongue edifies himself,

I don't see what you want it to mean. Self edification it is and self edification being selfishness can not be the way of love.

You have admitted that English is not your first language. You're not getting what I'm saying.

Translate "idiom" into your language, look it up, and then come back and read my last post.

 

[Noose]

You have admitted that English is not your first language. You're not getting what I'm saying.

Translate "idiom" into your language, look it up, and then come back and read my last post.

Admitting that English is not my first language doesn't mean i don't understand English.
Self edification is not an idiom, it is what is said in 1 Cor 14:4.

 

[CherieR]

Have you ever watched an interpreter? You can hear the foreign language, yet you can also hear the interpretation at the same time.

At first it seems strange, yet you adapt and learn how to listen to understand what is being said.

I have watched an interpreter but never interpreted tongues.

 

[Dino246]

Admitting that English is not my first language doesn't mean i don't understand English.
Self edification is not an idiom, it is what is said in 1 Cor 14:4.

'Self-edification" is indeed an idiom in English, and it doesn't appear in 1 Corinthians 14:4.

 

[Noose]

'Self-edification" is indeed an idiom in English, and it doesn't appear in 1 Corinthians 14:4.

Is this not self edification?
1 Cor 14:4 The one who speaks in a tongue edifies himself,

 

[Dino246]

Is this not self edification?
1 Cor 14:4 The one who speaks in a tongue edifies himself,

Not in the sense of the idiom, no.

Every other use of "edify" or related words (edifies, etc.) is positive. Instead of assuming the positive meaning, you (and many others) impose the negative idiomatic meaning of "self-edification" onto the text. Paul didn't use an idiom in that verse, so taking the meaning of an English idiom and imposing it on the translation of a Greek sentence is flawed.