The timing of the rapture?

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When do you think the raptrure will take place?

  • Pre trib rapture?

    Votes: 7 77.8%

  • Mid Trib rapture?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Post trib rapture?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other?

    Votes: 2 22.2%
  • Total voters
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onwingsaseagles

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zander said:
that fits if you don't believe there's a difference between the Church (his bride) and the rest
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Oh, there is a difference between the church and the world that is why will will not partake in the wrath of God, but the Tribulation is not the wrath of God. The wrath of God will be poured out when Christ returns at the end of the Tribulation we will be raptured at that time. (We the church have never been exempt from the wrath of man and or Satan) This will be no different during the tribulation (During the plagues and such we will be divinely protected just like Israel was in Egypt)
 
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NazariteNation

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onwingsaseagles said:
I would have to disagree. It is true we cannot know the day or hour but we are commanded to know the general time. Jesus called the pharisees a wicked generation partly because they could not discern the signs of the time. We are to understand the signs of the time, also Paul told us to watch and be sober. What are we watching for for Jesus to pop out of the clouds? NO, then it would be too late. We are to watch for are the signs of the times, so that we will know Christ coming is soon. Matter of fact Jesus tells us once the Tribulation reaches it most horrible heights to lift are head for now we will know are redemption is drawing near.

Luke 21:24-28
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


Take a close look at verse 28.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

So we will definitely know the general time of Christ's return, once the great Tribulation has started we will have no more than 3.5 years before the return of Christ.
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Just a piece of friendly advice. While the subject matter is very interesting, I've learned from personal experience that too much talk of signs around CC and folks tend to become very judgmental, tossing words around like "hyper spiritual" and "semantic".

Personally, I don't feel the need to look for signs. Although you can learn a lot about churches and people by looking at their fruit. By doing so, I think it pretty obvious that we are beginning to see 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 coming into fruition.
 
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onwingsaseagles

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NazariteNation said:
Just a piece of friendly advice. While the subject matter is very interesting, I've learned from personal experience that too much talk of signs around CC and folks tend to become very judgmental, tossing words around like "hyper spiritual" and "semantic".

Personally, I don't feel the need to look for signs. Although you can learn a lot about churches and people by looking at their fruit. By doing so, I think it pretty obvious that we are beginning to see 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 coming into fruition.
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I do not think being called ''hyper spiritual'' is a bad thing, nor do I mind discussing semantics. Thanks for your concern though :)
 
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TheDoctor394

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onwingsaseagles said:
Jesus was not speaking of His 2nd coming when He made this statement in Acts, He was referring to the out pouring of the Holy Spirit.
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Well, he certainly referred to the outpouring of the Holy Spirit too, but the disciples' question was "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?" This was them asking about Jesus' return, and He said "it's not for you to know." After that, He encouraged them with the promise of the Spirit.
 
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TheDoctor394

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onwingsaseagles said:
I would have to disagree. It is true we cannot know the day or hour but we are commanded to know the general time. Jesus called the pharisees a wicked generation partly because they could not discern the signs of the time. We are to understand the signs of the time, also Paul told us to watch and be sober. What are we watching for for Jesus to pop out of the clouds? NO, then it would be too late. We are to watch for are the signs of the times, so that we will know Christ coming is soon. Matter of fact Jesus tells us once the Tribulation reaches it most horrible heights to lift are head for now we will know are redemption is drawing near.

Luke 21:24-28
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


Take a close look at verse 28.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

So we will definitely know the general time of Christ's return, once the great Tribulation has started we will have no more than 3.5 years before the return of Christ.
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I would suggest those verses are saying that we should keep an eye out for signs to remind us that Jesus will come back, not to tell us when.
And in regards to the last verse, these things have been taking place for hundreds of years. We've been in the last days since Jesus went up into Heaven.
 
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sutra

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People seem to be looking for an outward appearance but have they taken thought that He would be returning from within each of His children? Just a thought :)
 
NoahsDad

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lets try this again
Prety good book Zanman,But this guy( however long winded as he is) is leaving out a few very important pieces in the whole" Israel is not the church" theory......one of which being Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
And Rom 11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.Now if you continue reading on down you'll see that this feller dont know all he thinks or wants You to think he knows .Like this verse
Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
And according to what I just read this guy saying Thats Exactally what He's doing in his explanation of what the Wrath of God actually is But infact as we all know or should know the Old Testament is the School Marm (Teacher)or fore shadow of things to come and overlays the New.So to see the True Wrath of God profecy we must infact go to the Old. If you go to Amos Amo 1:1 The words of Amos, who was among the herdmen of Tekoa, which he saw concerning Israel in the days of Uzziah king of Judah, and in the days of Jeroboam the son of Joash king of Israel, two years before the earthquake.
and the following verses youll notice that All the profecies concerning Wrath are toward Gentile AND Israel nations NOT just Israel And if you read the whole book of Amos you'll get a picture of what the Wrath of God is all about.Now lets go to the New Testament for a comparison. Mat 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
Mat 13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
Mat 13:26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
Mat 13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
 
NoahsDad

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Now to the interpretation of the parable not another parable
Mat 13:36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
So this is the Wrath of God and infact the whole of the Rapture theory cant even stand in the face of these scriptures
no where in this does Christ even mention a "TAKING AWAY" of anyone except the evil people or the tares
Notice Christ says:so shall it be in the end of this world.
This is the 7th trump
Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
Rev 14:16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
Rev 14:17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
Rev 14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
HMMMMMMMMM even says its the wrath of God
 
NoahsDad

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Now asfar as the Church Not being mentioned After the 4th chapter of revelations .do a study on the 7 Spirits of God and youll see the church is infact mentioned all through the book
 
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NazariteNation

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sutra said:
People seem to be looking for an outward appearance but have they taken thought that He would be returning from within each of His children? Just a thought :)
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I believe the vast majority of folks around CC despite a variance of denominations, are most likely Evangelical (at least from what I can gather. Evangelicals believe in the literal return of Christ to this earth, ridding the world of wickedness, and establishing His Kingdom here on earth (for at least 1,000 years).

There are older belief systems, Catholism being one, who tend to believe that it is there role to establish Christ's kingdom on earth, which was the motivation for the crusades during mid evil times. However, make no mistake, scripture insists that Christ Himself will return to rule and reign.

As far as Christ coming in spirit, in essence He all ready has. That occured on the day of Pentecost following the crucifixion and ressurection of Christ some 2000 years ago.
 
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sutra

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I guess what I'm saying is His people becoming enchristed-Christ being revealed for the world to see in and through us, the sons of God being made manifested.
 
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Lil_warrior

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*sigh* if the rapture is pre-trib or post-trib, we won't know til it happens, and when it does, only one person will be right and the rest will be wrong. if it happens before the trib, well then, Glory to God that people won't go thru the trib, if it's after (like Onwingsaseagles says), well then God help us, but by then i'll probably be dead. so yeah, and either way, i don't think that by believing postrib or pretrib, you'll be condemned. that's wat i got to say and that's my last word on it.
 
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TheDoctor394

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Lil_warrior said:
*sigh* if the rapture is pre-trib or post-trib, we won't know til it happens, and when it does, only one person will be right and the rest will be wrong. if it happens before the trib, well then, Glory to God that people won't go thru the trib, if it's after (like Onwingsaseagles says), well then God help us, but by then i'll probably be dead. so yeah, and either way, i don't think that by believing postrib or pretrib, you'll be condemned. that's wat i got to say and that's my last word on it.
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I agree. And maybe you're a panmilleniest. It'll all pan out in the end. :)
 
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onwingsaseagles

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TheDoctor394 said:
Yes, it will be after the tribulation, but we don't know when that will be. I have heard people say that when the Bible says we don't know the day or the hour, that means we can still know the general time, which I think is ridiculous. When the Bible speaks about not knowing "the day or the hour", it's obvious it's another way of saying we "don't know at all." It's a figure of speech.
Remember at the beginning of Acts, Jesus said to His disciples, "It's not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by His own authority." He didn't say "Remember what I told you earlier? Just after the tribulation" or "Well, I'll give you a rough idea." He said "it's not for you to know." Full stop. Then He went on to something else.
As I've said, the history of the church is littered with tragic mistakes from people who have tried to guess the dates, and have been wrong over and over and over again. Why do people not learn from these errors?
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onwingsaseagles said:
I would have to disagree. It is true we cannot know the day or hour but we are commanded to know the general time. Jesus called the pharisees a wicked generation partly because they could not discern the signs of the time. We are to understand the signs of the time, also Paul told us to watch and be sober. What are we watching for for Jesus to pop out of the clouds? NO, then it would be too late. We are to watch for are the signs of the times, so that we will know Christ coming is soon. Matter of fact Jesus tells us once the Tribulation reaches it most horrible heights to lift are head for now we will know are redemption is drawing near.

Luke 21:24-28
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. 25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.


Take a close look at verse 28.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

So we will definitely know the general time of Christ's return, once the great Tribulation has started we will have no more than 3.5 years before the return of Christ.
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TheDoctor394 said:
I would suggest those verses are saying that we should keep an eye out for signs to remind us that Jesus will come back, not to tell us when.
And in regards to the last verse, these things have been taking place for hundreds of years. We've been in the last days since Jesus went up into Heaven.
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The last days maybe, but this is a reference to the Tribulation which will last 3.5 years.
 

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onwingsaseagles

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Lil_warrior said:
*sigh* if the rapture is pre-trib or post-trib, we won't know til it happens, .
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The bible says it is post so we know it is post because God tells the truth.
 
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