John 3:16

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Wansvic

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1 Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"

Not one drop of water got to Noah because he was saved aboard the ark.
Some Old Testament water references that foreshadow the New Testament water baptism:
Noah believed and acted upon his belief by building an ark to the saving of his house. They were preserved and saved through water. During this event, water was the vehicle by which the Earth was cleansed of all sin.

Baby Moses was placed in an ark and floated to safety. Later upon instruction from God, Moses parted the Red Sea and the children of Israel escaped from their enemies through water. Again, their sinful enemies were washed away in water.

Upon consecration into the priesthood; the candidate was to be washed head to toe in the tabernacle laver. Afterward he could enter the tabernacle only after washing his hands and feet. The first requirement parallels with New Testament water baptism wherein our sins are literally washed away, the second parallels ones need to be kept clean by daily washing away thoughts and actions from our lives after seeing the error of our ways in the Word of God.

Prior to Elijah be taken up in a whirlwind, he smote the Jordan with his mantle and the waters parted. He and Elisha went over on dry ground, immediately the chariot of fire appeared and he was taken up to Heaven in a whirlwind. We know that every recorded word in the Bible is there to broaden our understanding. Evidently, going through the water was necessary before Elijah could be taken to Heaven.

After lodging at the Jordan for three days, Joshua and the Israelites walked across the Jordan into the promised land. The Ark of the Covenant caused the water to rise up in a heap. A man from every tribe (12) left a stone of remembrance as evidence for all future generations of how God brought them into the promised land. Interestingly, twelve apostles were commanded to preach water baptism in the New Testament. It is also interesting to note, as well, that those present had to pass through water to get to the earthly promised land. How does this apply to our own entrance into the promised land of eternity?

After passing over the Jordan, the Israelites were commanded to be circumcised at the hill of Gilgal. We see the connection between circumcision of the Old Testament and water baptism of the New Testament reflected in that single event.
 

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I do not agree with your perception of the meaning of the scripture.

It is clear that Peter said "...eight souls were saved by water. The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" 1 Peter 3:20-21

For whatever reason God chose to use water baptism in connection with the spiritual rebirth only He knows.

The Word says all are to follow the instructions given on the Day of Pentecost as evidenced in the Word. I for one believe the instructions are not to be overlooked.


THIS is THE Gospel unto Salvation: I don't see water Baptism here.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 English Standard Version (ESV)
The Resurrection of Christ
15 Now I would remind you, brothers,[a] of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, 2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL IN ALTERING THIS GOSPEL:

Galatians 1:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 

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1 Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"

Not one drop of water got to Noah because he was saved aboard the ark.
You neglected to include the preceding verse:
1 Peter 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
 

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there is but one thing required and while on the subject, PLENTY of people go ahead and get baptized then act like the devil

I've seen it. better not to get baptized and thereby condemn yourself if you are not willing to actually follow your Savior
in Augustines day that is exactly what Christians did. they thought any sin after baptism was extraordinarily difficult to forgive, and that it was the act of baptism or at the time of baptism that sins were literally washed away. so they put it off until they were old and almost dead, or at least when they were past their youth and, it was thought, more liable to live in holiness, and they baptized children when they were stricken with plague, thinking it would save them. Augustine himself was almost baptized when he was a teenager because he fell ill, but he recovered and wasn't baptized until almost a decade later.

((Iirc))
 

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I dont understand why so many christians here seem to be against water baptism. Did they just not repent and believe when they were first water baptised? So think nobody else ought to bother with it?


Also many posting on here just give one verse, out of context and not giving the next few verses or bothering to read the whole chapter. You cant do that, that is wrong too.
What did Jesus commission his apostles to do? Spread the gospel AND baptise people in His name. It wasnt one or the other its BOTH.

Was Paul baptised? YES He was! Right after he repented. He didnt begin his new life unbaptised.

Paul goes on to write in 1 Corinthians 15:29

Else what shall they do which are baptised for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? Why are they then baptised for the dead?

Why indeed? We are baptised to bury out old selves to be raised our new selves in Christ. If one has not undergone this burial, how can one be raised to life?

I supect there are some here that dont really believe in the resurrection. Its do it yourself religion.
 

John146

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Some Old Testament water references that foreshadow the New Testament water baptism:
Noah believed and acted upon his belief by building an ark to the saving of his house. They were preserved and saved through water. During this event, water was the vehicle by which the Earth was cleansed of all sin.

Baby Moses was placed in an ark and floated to safety. Later upon instruction from God, Moses parted the Red Sea and the children of Israel escaped from their enemies through water. Again, their sinful enemies were washed away in water.
But not water touched them at any time. Nice devotional touch, but not doctrine.
 

Wansvic

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THIS is THE Gospel unto Salvation: I don't see water Baptism here.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 English Standard Version (ESV)
The Resurrection of Christ
15 Now I would remind you, brothers,[a] of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, 2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

I WOULD BE VERY CAREFUL IN ALTERING THIS GOSPEL:

Galatians 1:8-9 King James Version (KJV)
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
The Word clearly says to search out the faith that was first delivered to the saints. (Jude 3) Jesus said "...repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things.
And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
Am I to believe the instructions given to the those present on the Day of Pentecost are irrelevant? If so, one can just discount and remove the entire Book of Acts wherein the birth of the New Testament church is clearly outlined.

Nothing I have posted alters the gospel message. The gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If one believes in Jesus sacrifice they will act upon what is instructed in the Word.

Paul says that not all have obeyed the gospel. (Romans 10:16) How does one obey the gospel if not by obeying the instructions initially given on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2:38) In repentance - we turn to Jesus and die to self. Submit to water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sin - where we are buried with Him. And receive the gift of the Holy Ghost - become filled with the Spirit of God wherein is resurrection power.
 

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Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

"The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
You see the word "like", that means it's not exactly the same. It's just a picture. And the picture is pointing to the resurrection of Christ not water baptism.

I guess in your world, there's no such thing as a death bed conversion.
 

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But not water touched them at any time. Nice devotional touch, but not doctrine.
They are foreshadows. Just like the candlestick in the Tabernacle was a foreshadow of Jesus being the light of the World.
 

Wansvic

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You see the word "like", that means it's not exactly the same. It's just a picture. And the picture is pointing to the resurrection of Christ not water baptism.

I guess in your world, there's no such thing as a death bed conversion.
Is that scriptural?
 

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I dont understand why so many christians here seem to be against water baptism. Did they just not repent and believe when they were first water baptised? So think nobody else ought to bother with it?
I repented and believed first, and was later baptized in water. The saving baptism had already happened :)
 

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They are foreshadows. Just like the candlestick in the Tabernacle was a foreshadow of Jesus being the light of the World.
They are foreshadows of not getting wet.
 

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Some Old Testament water references that foreshadow the New Testament water baptism:
Noah believed and acted upon his belief by building an ark to the saving of his house. They were preserved and saved through water. During this event, water was the vehicle by which the Earth was cleansed of all sin.

Baby Moses was placed in an ark and floated to safety. Later upon instruction from God, Moses parted the Red Sea and the children of Israel escaped from their enemies through water. Again, their sinful enemies were washed away in water.
Hello Wansvic :) I have edited your post to respond to just the first two examples you have given. Noah did not dip himself in water, and had nothing to do with the fact that it rained for forty days and nights. God caused the rain, and sealed Noah and his family in the ark with the animals who likewise were being saved. Noah became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith. (Heb 11:7) for Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD (Gen 6:8). The water did not cleanse Noah and his family, nor did it cleanse the Pharaoh's men who were swept away by the Red Sea.
 
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So everyone here believes all you need do is acknowledge that Jesus is the savior and your saved? :unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure:
Why do you say “acknowledge”?did you mean believe because acknowledge seems to Imply showing respect but not In agreement,
And there ya go😃😃😃
I'm not sure what there you go means.:)Did you mean everyone as In those here to mean those that believe the word "acknowledge"Is the same as believe?

If that's what you mean then you are deliriously exaggerating In a sarcastic way meaning you know know one thinks talk Is the same as believing from the heart.

John 6:44
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44.No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 

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Hello Wansvic :) I have edited your post to respond to just the first two examples you have given. Noah did not dip himself in water, and had nothing to do with the fact that it rained for forty days and nights. God caused the rain, and sealed Noah and his family in the ark with the animals who likewise were being saved. Noah became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith. (Heb 11:7) for Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD (Gen 6:8). The water did not cleanse Noah and his family, nor did it cleanse the Pharaoh's men who were swept away by the Red Sea.
My point is that the water in these Old Testament accounts point to the water baptism of the New Testament.
Although the individuals did not immerse in water, water was a means of protection.
 

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Cannot someone come to know Christ the last moments of their life?
Only if there is water nearby.

This can get a bit tricky if you insist on IMMERSION baptism, rather than sprinkling.

My advice would be to avoid deserts!
 

John146

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My point is that the water in these Old Testament accounts point to the water baptism of the New Testament.
Although the individuals did not immerse in water, water was a means of protection.
Actually, the ark was the means of protection from the water. The water was a type of God's wrath on the earth. To escape God's wrath, we must get into the ark of our salvation, Jesus Christ.
 
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My point is that the water in these Old Testament accounts point to the water baptism of the New Testament.
Although the individuals did not immerse in water, water was a means of protection.
From what I’ve read there was this

The Jewish Mikvah was a precursor to Christian baptism, a symbol of renewal and hope.” The idea of baptism in this was had different connotations in the old testament, than in the New Testament. While, in the latter, the link between the Mikvah and baptism becomes clearer, in the Old Testament, the rules stated in the Mikva’ot have little to do with conversion or the adoption of the Christian faith. While there are rules about baptism in the Jewish faith, their relation to the Christian rules are widely disputed.