The 2nd law of thermodynamics … "proves" God exists?

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Professor Sticks; "The Second law of Thermodynamics vs. Evolution". J. Chuck Wycoff.
 

posthuman

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Chuck might be a student of Professor Sticks.
professor sticks might be a game that tenured teaching staff play, possibly involving bridges, creeks, and smallish tree branches

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Nehemiah6

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The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that Entropy (disorder in the universe) either stays the same or gets bigger. The entropy of the universe can never go down. (Which actually disproves evolution).

But entropy is the result of the curse of sin on creation, and one day that curse will be removed and there will be a New Heavens and a New Earth. Entropy will be banished.

This means that the Second Law of Thermodynamics has nothing to say about God. It ignore God.
 
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The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that Entropy (disorder in the universe) either stays the same or gets bigger. The entropy of the universe can never go down.

But entropy is the result of the curse of sin on creation, and one day that curse will be removed and there will be a New Heavens and a New Earth. Entropy will be banished.

This means that the Second Law of Thermodynamics has nothing to say about God. It ignore God.
Does the 2nd law of thermodynamics in reverse; trace us back to Adam and Eve? If yes; then Thermodynamics has EVERYTHING to do with God.
 

Nehemiah6

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Does the 2nd law of thermodynamics in reverse; trace us back to Adam and Eve? If yes; then Thermodynamics has EVERYTHING to do with God.
I already covered that. But Physics does not lead to God.
 
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I already covered that. But Physics does not lead to God.
What I'm more exactly trying to get at is; Evolutionists know that Creationists want to claim Thermodynamics; to "prove"; or strongly suggest that God exists. I say what exactly I'm talking about in my video.
Evolutionists also want to insist; that if a Creationist is going to claim Thermodynamics like that; then a Creationist needs to know the laws of Thermodynamics in detail; meaning no "Cherry picking"; as they will accuse a Creationist.
For the 2nd law of thermodynamics; they claim the 2nd law only operates in a "closed box"; and earth is an OPEN system. Therefore they insist that a Creationist, CANT claim thermodynamics like that.
Does "Closed box"/OPEN EARTH; mean Creation is debunked? NO; of course not.
My video; is asking that question.
 

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The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that Entropy (disorder in the universe) either stays the same or gets bigger. The entropy of the universe can never go down. (Which actually disproves evolution).

But entropy is the result of the curse of sin on creation, and one day that curse will be removed and there will be a New Heavens and a New Earth. Entropy will be banished.

This means that the Second Law of Thermodynamics has nothing to say about God. It ignore God.
You gys, there has to be death and Resurrection, everything goes back to the ground including the seeds and the seed has to die to nourish the sprout; then everything that went back to the ground nourishes the root. And yes God holds the world in His hands otherwise there is just clay.
The creation reveals God's eternal power, eternity is at the speed of light: no time as we know it. But proof doesn't help you believe. "Faith that works by Love," is a greater equation: by the Spirit of God.
 

Nehemiah6

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... there has to be death and Resurrection...
No, there was no need for death if sin had not entered into the world. And there was no need for sin since Adam and Eve had everything they could wish for and more, without disobeying God.

Because of the curse of sin and death, entropy entered into the world. But it will not be here forever.
 
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Does the 2nd law of thermodynamics in reverse; trace us back to Adam and Eve? If yes; then Thermodynamics has EVERYTHING to do with God.


Are you claiming therefore, the sum of the entropies of the participating bodies must decrease, rather than naturally increasing to find our way back to Adam/Eve?

I do not see it ever possible to revert back to its beginning. I do however see it creating something newer by using what was already established. It's kind of like a biologist playing God with single cells until they force an unnatural event to spawn.
 

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I think it would be better to state it in laymans terms rather than in scientific ones.

What the 2nd law of thermodynamics says, in laymans terms, is that ANY system tends to disorder over time.

No system goes the other way from disorder to order.


Therefore, if you come across a system that is in order, an outside force MUST have acted on it in order to bring it into order. It COULDN'T have come into order on its own.

That's what evolutionists don't understand and can't admit. It ruins their whole theory.