If God is from all Eternity Past, how did he arrive at the point of Creation?
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The bible has a lot to say, but it is hard for us to grasp........
God is light and dwells in light. <----the "be verb" shows state of being.........
God is SPIRIT <----again, a second "be verb" shows state of being........
It also states that he is the LOFTY one that INHABITS eternity......
Inhabits from
Original Word: שָׁכַן
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: shakan or shaken
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-kan')
Definition: to settle down, abide, dwell
eternity from
ad: perpetuity
Original Word: עַד
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: ad
Phonetic Spelling: (ad)
Definition: perpetuity
The high and lofty on that dwells in perpetuity.......wow imagine that...........now....fully explain that one in a manner that we can grasp........like I AM.....the eternal self existent one............we are very limited in our ability to grasp these truths............seriously!
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
God is light and dwells in light. <----the "be verb" shows state of being.........
God is SPIRIT <----again, a second "be verb" shows state of being........
It also states that he is the LOFTY one that INHABITS eternity......
Inhabits from
Original Word: שָׁכַן
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: shakan or shaken
Phonetic Spelling: (shaw-kan')
Definition: to settle down, abide, dwell
eternity from
ad: perpetuity
Original Word: עַד
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: ad
Phonetic Spelling: (ad)
Definition: perpetuity
The high and lofty on that dwells in perpetuity.......wow imagine that...........now....fully explain that one in a manner that we can grasp........like I AM.....the eternal self existent one............we are very limited in our ability to grasp these truths............seriously!
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
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2 Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
this verse does NOT say God is outside of time.
It says his TIME is BIGGER.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
this verse does NOT say God is outside of time.
It says his TIME is BIGGER.
We need a way to talk that we understand.
The poster just above @dcontroversal is correct...
God cannot be fully understood and we stand in amazement.
Think of it this way.....
If I make a watch,,,,,,am I part of that watch?
God made time,,,,is He part of that time?
Or is it something He made?
The poster just above @dcontroversal is correct...
God cannot be fully understood and we stand in amazement.
Think of it this way.....
If I make a watch,,,,,,am I part of that watch?
God made time,,,,is He part of that time?
Or is it something He made?
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Imagine the distance...........a galaxy that is 1 trillion light years a way.....and 300 billion light years across......traveling 186,000 miles per second it would take 1 trillion years to get there and then 300 billion years to cross it.......and that is as far as they can see (according to them and their instruments)
and yet they say we know this and we know that etc.......I dare to say that our knowledge (what man thinks he knows) is nothing much at the end of the day..........
We cannot even begin to grasp the depth of God and his infinite knowledge... sliver of light here a sliver of light there.................unsearchable riches of knowledge.............
and yet they say we know this and we know that etc.......I dare to say that our knowledge (what man thinks he knows) is nothing much at the end of the day..........
We cannot even begin to grasp the depth of God and his infinite knowledge... sliver of light here a sliver of light there.................unsearchable riches of knowledge.............
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I do not see the word BIGGER and or GOD having time in that verse anywhere......
It also says...
A thousand years is as a day and a thousand years is as but yesterday when it is past.....God is not subject unto time.....he is a God of timing, but not subject unto it........
HE dwells in LIGHT, is LIGHT and dwells in ETERNITY...............maybe study the words.............!!!
It also says...
A thousand years is as a day and a thousand years is as but yesterday when it is past.....God is not subject unto time.....he is a God of timing, but not subject unto it........
HE dwells in LIGHT, is LIGHT and dwells in ETERNITY...............maybe study the words.............!!!
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I use the keyword search in multiple versions of the bible on biblegateway.com to research such things.....
it is a very useful tool for such questions.
for example....keyword search "GOD is not subject unto time" = 0 results
(KJV)
then you can just do a search for GOD and TIME...and kinda go over those.
i love that website
it is a very useful tool for such questions.
for example....keyword search "GOD is not subject unto time" = 0 results
(KJV)
then you can just do a search for GOD and TIME...and kinda go over those.
i love that website
my opinion on this matter.
I have though at length on this very issue in my studies...and I only come to two conclusions.
(once again only my opinion not forcing this on anyone)
since the time discrepancy is so very detailed in that verse...."One day to go is as one thousand years to man"....
and from other books....( this is the BD forum so I will not quote them)
I think it is in reference to either
1) orbital differences
Einstein said time/space are the same things
therefore to increase one is to increase the other
or
2) a virtual hologram type existence
Let me explain....anyone familiar with SKYRIM or WarCraft or any game like that
you spend 3 days in game time for 10 minutes of playing.
so.
I dunno
I have though at length on this very issue in my studies...and I only come to two conclusions.
(once again only my opinion not forcing this on anyone)
since the time discrepancy is so very detailed in that verse...."One day to go is as one thousand years to man"....
and from other books....( this is the BD forum so I will not quote them)
I think it is in reference to either
1) orbital differences
Einstein said time/space are the same things
therefore to increase one is to increase the other
or
2) a virtual hologram type existence
Let me explain....anyone familiar with SKYRIM or WarCraft or any game like that
you spend 3 days in game time for 10 minutes of playing.
so.
I dunno
Now, on this view I will say the following.....the things seen are not made of what they appear to be made of.....and we do know that atoms vibrate at particular frequencies...........it does seem quite plausible that it is all a big construct and or matrix style universe........even water does very strange things when subject to different frequencies.........and it also states that all things are upheld or sustained by the word of his power....in Greek -->stands together and all things will be dissolved at the end.....so.....there may be something to this view........
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